1. Widgets-R-Us
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Jiri wrote:
> one of about a thousand Euphorians...=20
> attempting to devise a simple system of widgets.
Let's see. How many people does that make *currently* working on a DOS =
set of widgets?
1. Jiri
2. Irv
3. Jeff
4. David <- that's me 
And then there are the people who have posted their toolkits in the =
past:
5. Rod Damona
6. Jim Lacovara
7. Matthew Whitehead
8. Graeme Burke
9. Daniel Berstein
10. Mike Fowler
Looks like there could be a group project here.
Negatives
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1. Each toolkit sets out to solve a slightly different problem, so there =
may not be agreement on what problem is being solved.
2. Each programmer (rightly) feels that they have the best approach. =
After all, it's the best tool to solve their particular problem.
3. Project coordination is a difficult thing to manage, especially over =
the internet. And it's easy for feelings to get tweaked.
4. Each person has probably devoted a fair amount of work to their own =
toolkits, and is "just about ready" to release it.
5. Failure for a project of this complexity is a real possibility.
Positives
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1. As the "official" Euphoria DOS interface, people would use it. As it =
stands now, there are a number of different tools available, but few =
people seem to be using them.
2. People could add to the widget set because:
A. It would be well documented.
B. The interfaces would be well known.
C. It would, by necessity, be modular.
3. More input often leads to a better design. Some of the best Euphoria =
coders are duplicating effort here, working on the same type of problem.
4. People could specialize in what they wanted to do, and leave the =
"boring stuff" to people who liked to implement that kind of thing.
Comments?
-- David Cuny
PS: Of course, since the project would be split into so many small =
files, it would help if there were some namespace tool to help avoid =
collision of routine names...
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2. Re: Widgets-R-Us
- Posted by Monty King <boot_me at GEOCITIES.COM>
Apr 17, 1998
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Last edited Apr 18, 1998
>1. Jiri
>2. Irv
>3. Jeff
>4. David <- that's me
>
>5. Rod Damona
>6. Jim Lacovara
>7. Matthew Whitehead
>8. Graeme Burke
>9. Daniel Berstein
>10. Mike Fowler
>
>Looks like there could be a group project here.
>
Lets not forget Jacques D. and Peter Eberlien, Peter blue...and many more.
The whole of Euphoria is built around all of these things, adding
contributions that others don't have the time or even the ability to create,
but that they can use for their programs...
I wouldn't be able to ever have gotten to the point of doing what I have
been able to do without the win32lib. (I even like the pseudo apple dos
library, maybe without the little apple). There is also the mode19
graphics stuff, that is so far quite underused.
3. Widgets-R-Us
David wrote:
>Let's see. How many people does that make *currently* working on a DOS
>set of widgets?
I'm attempting to create a set using Jiri's font routines in SVGA. Not
as a competition release, but just as an exercise for myself to become more
proficient with Euphoria and to learn the techniques and methods of
thinking. I'm using your TxtGui as inspiration/reference.
>1. As the "official" Euphoria DOS interface, people would use it. As it
>stands now, there are a number of different tools available, but few
>people seem to be using them.
I have little doubt that people are, if primarily for experiments and
incomplete projects. I've played with programming in a couple dozen
languages and variants over the past 10 years (since GW-Basic and 1200 baud
modems) and started more projects than I can count, but in the past I've
only finished a few small programs. I think a lot of people do that.
Now, with Euphoria and the tools, I've finally actually managed to stick
to a project for awhile. I haven't run into compiler limitations or spent
so much time trying to trick the compiler/interpreter and adapt a design to
it that I forgot my goal and got distracted by an 'easier' idea. It gives
me the feeling that I can do what I want to do with it, and that it's only a
matter of time and deciding exactly what it is that I want to do.
And I think for the same reason that it's only a matter of time until we
see several Euphoria programs using the tools. I think other people are out
there using the tools and seeing that they can go beyond small and
often-aborted programs. And that it's a lot easier than with many other
languages and their toolkits.
Ack...didn't mean for this to turn into a testimonial. Anyway, I do
think it would be a good idea for a group project. I would contribute if I
can, and if as I suspect, I'm severely outclassed, then I'd be glad just to
listen and learn from you guys.
Falkon
