1. RE: Newspaper column mentions Euphoria!
Or if you don't want to register for the Tribune... just see:
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/6070574.htm
-- Brian
Dan Moyer wrote:
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>
> Juergen,
>
> Sorry, forgetting to think world-wide on this web :)
>
> Paper is from SF Bay Area, CA, USA, his column is syndicated from
> Chicago.
> You can check out his column at:
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/technology/columnists/chi-jamescoates.columnis
>
> t
>
> look down for May 10 column (I guess it was reprinted in today's paper),
> titled:
> "Visual Basic opens door to programming" (I know, *poor* title!,
> doesn't
> even reflect what he *said*!!),
> although you have to register for free at the Chicago Tribune site to
> read
> it, sigh.
>
>
> Dan Moyer
2. RE: Newspaper column mentions Euphoria!
- Posted by rforno at tutopia.com
Jun 14, 2003
Sure, if we translate "robust" to "bloated" ;)
----- Original Message -----
From: Juergen Luethje <j.lue at gmx.de>
Subject: Re: Newspaper column mentions Euphoria!
>
>
> Hi Dan, you wrote:
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> > In a newspaper column "Tech Q&A" by Jim Coates,
>
> A big nationwide newspaper? In which country?
>
> > someone asks about how to
> > learn to write programs. Mr. Coates answers that he would previously
have
> > suggested VB, but that it's harder now-a-days, due to M$ bloat, and
first
> > suggests trying to get ahold of a outdated VB v6.0, and then he suggests
a
> > "...far less robust but quite interesting programming language called
> > Euphoria for Windows.", and includes the web address for RDS! :)
>
> Nice, generally speaking! But "...far less robust" than Visual Basic???
>
> > Dan Moyer
>
> Best regards,
> Juergen
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3. RE: Newspaper column mentions Euphoria!
Hello there,
Igor Kachan wrote:
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>
> Hello Ricardo:
>
> Yes, you are right.
>
> There are rare translations of the "robust" word into
> Russian similar to -- rough, crude, gross, harsh gruff
> or -- noisy, bustling, uproarious.
>
"Robust" translates to "Speed", unless you want to use
asm, which then wouldnt really be using the language.
The 'Robustness' of a language depends on how well integrated
it is with the next lower system.
I think an improvement for Eu here would be constant
sequences (of a fixed element type) that would be accessable
by pointer or something like that. Probably a sequence
of type ulong would be good enough to do a lot with.
I guess it would be ok to call it an Array?
That would of course add a new base type to Euphoria.
Take care for now,
Al
4. RE: Newspaper column mentions Euphoria!
Derek Parnell wrote:
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> > I think an improvement for Eu here would be constant
> > sequences (of a fixed element type) that would be accessable
> > by pointer or something like that. Probably a sequence
> > of type ulong would be good enough to do a lot with.
> > I guess it would be ok to call it an Array?
> > That would of course add a new base type to Euphoria.
>
> I agree, but this has nothing to do with robustness, in my opinion.
> --
> Derek
>
Think about this for a minute....
I said "I think an improvement for Eu here would be..."
and you said
"I agree, but this has nothing to do with robustness, in my opinion."
So you are saying that you believe that:
Improvements dont improve the robustness of something,
even when they add functionality AND speed?
Take care for now,
Al
5. RE: Newspaper column mentions Euphoria!
> If by robustness I mean how hard it is to cause the program to fail,
> then
> adding new datatypes may or may not increase a program's robustness. The
> use
> of the new datatype is independant from the robustness of the
> application.
> In other words, one cannot predict with certainty that a program's
> robustness will increase if a new datatype is used.
>
> This is what I meant. If you are thinking of 'robust' in a different
> way,
> then your statement could be true. It's just that that's not what I
> meant. I
> do not automatically associate increased functionality or increased
> speed as
> a measure of robustness. But that's just me.
> --
> Derek
>
Hello again Derek,
If you dont include speed when comparing languages, then you
cant possibly be serious?
Take care,
Al
6. RE: Newspaper column mentions Euphoria!
Igor Kachan wrote:
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>
> Hi Al,
>
> >
> > Hello there,
> >
> > Igor Kachan wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Ricardo:
> > >
> > > Yes, you are right.
> > >
> > > There are rare translations of the "robust" word into
> > > Russian similar to -- rough, crude, gross, harsh, gruff
> > > or -- noisy, bustling, uproarious.
> >
> > "Robust" translates to "Speed", unless you want to use
> > asm, which then wouldnt really be using the language.
> >
> > The 'Robustness' of a language depends
> > on how well integrated it is with the next
> > lower system.
>
> [snip]
>
> There are 2 main senses of the "robust" word:
>
> 1. strong, tough, hard,
> healthy, sound, wholesome,
> strong, powerful.
>
> 2. sound (mind), lucid (mind), clear.
>
> And rare (see above):
>
> 3. rough, crude, gross, harsh, gruff,
> noisy, bustling, uproarious.
>
> So, EU --> 1,2
> VB --> 3
>
> And both are robust!
>
>
Hi Igor,
My car engine is pretty robust, but i cant
program with that thing 
I thought VB was dead? Was it revived recently or something?
If VB is any prototype for comparison, it surprises me
Im sure that guy was using the word in a comparative way,
and comparing it to the fastest and best languages.
In any case, i dont want to argue these points too much longer
because im finally beginning to like Euphoria again because of
it's increased functionality, and it might sound like i was
putting it down in some way, which im not. There is reason
enough to like it. Call it its' "robustness" if you like.
Also, if you consider the translator as part of the whole
package there is much more to say for it also, except for
some of the strangeness i've been hearing lately about
the 'dir' command not working well when compiled in c ;
know anything about that?
This bothered me a little because i use that function
so much in so many programs and i soon might try
the translator.
Well, take care for now,
Al
