1. Euphoria On Linux
Well I finally installed Fedora Core 3, and would like to know how to get
connected to my Windows C Drive so I can copy the linux version of Euphoria over
from it, including my registered version.
Here comes all the NEWBIE questions......
It defaulted to GNOME, how do I switch to KDE, I told it to install all the KDE
packages?
This SHEBANG(?) thing, does it need to be at the top of all my Euphoria for
Linux programs? And if so, how is this handled in cross platform programs, or
does Dos and Windows versions of Euphoria ignore this line?
What is a good editor for doing Euphoria code under Linux, perferably one that
comes with syntax highlighting?
On another note, so far I find Linux to be a BIG pain in the rear trying to get
my modem to work, it does not even see it, tells me it's not there.
Under Windows my modem is an HSP56 MR (VIA) on COM3.
And I won't even begin to discuss printer setup problems yet.
So far Linux is very disenchanting to me, Windows may have it's bad days, but
it sure is much more NEWBIE friendly. :(
Later.
Ferlin Scarborough
Learn To Program Games in Free Courses At
http://www.gameuniv.net
My Euphoria Home Page
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/shadetreesoft
2. Re: Euphoria On Linux
Ferlin Scarborough wrote:
>
> Well I finally installed Fedora Core 3, and would like to know how to get
> connected to my Windows C Drive so I can copy the linux version of Euphoria
> over
> from it, including my registered version.
It may already be mounted, check /Windows, /mnt/Windows /mnt/[whatever]
If not, make sure /Windows exists, then, as root
mount /dev/hda1 /Windows
/dev/hda1 is the probable location of you win drive, if it is the first
partition
>
> Here comes all the NEWBIE questions......
>
> It defaulted to GNOME, how do I switch to KDE, I told it to install all the
> KDE
> packages?
On SuSE, when you see a login screen, you get the option of choosing which
windowing system to use - In Fedora, not sure, check through the the boot
options, and windowing options
>
> This SHEBANG(?) thing, does it need to be at the top of all my Euphoria for
> Linux programs? And if so, how is this handled in cross platform programs, or
> does Dos and Windows versions of Euphoria ignore this line?
yes and yes (afaik), although I tend not to do it this way, if you want to
create a one word startup for your proggy, just create an executable script
that starts it. Note if you do use the shebang, you need to make the exu
executable ( chmod +x [yourprogram] )
>
> What is a good editor for doing Euphoria code under Linux, perferably one that
> comes with syntax highlighting?
Kate, kate kate kate kate. Get the kate xml fro the archives (thanks to Irv)
>
> On another note, so far I find Linux to be a BIG pain in the rear trying to
> get
> my modem to work, it does not even see it, tells me it's not there.
>
> Under Windows my modem is an HSP56 MR (VIA) on COM3.
Chuck it, its a winmodem, which means half the modem processing is done
by windows, and although there is progress in that direction, if you're a
newby, take the easy option, and get a cheap external modem.
>
> And I won't even begin to discuss printer setup problems yet.
Not sure about Fedora, but SuSE is an absolute piece of cake to set up the
printers (in fact, I didn't set them up, SuSE did it all for me, during the
30 minute (from scratch) install, including repartitioning the hard drives)
>
> So far Linux is very disenchanting to me, Windows may have it's bad days, but
> it sure is much more NEWBIE friendly. :(
My take on Linux - its a little harder to get into, but if you don't play
many games, and don't have a family also fighting to use the computer, then
its faster, more secure, prettier, and a lot more fun than windows.
Chris
>
> Later.
>
> Ferlin Scarborough
>
> Learn To Program Games in Free Courses At
> <a href="http://www.gameuniv.net">http://www.gameuniv.net</a>
>
> My Euphoria Home Page
> <a
> href="http://mywebpage.netscape.com/shadetreesoft">http://mywebpage.netscape.com/shadetreesoft</a>
>
3. Re: Euphoria On Linux
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:02:00 -0800, Ferlin Scarborough
<guest at RapidEuphoria.com> wrote:
>This SHEBANG(?) thing, does it need to be at the top of all my Euphoria fo=
r
>Linux programs?
Only if you want to be able to run it with <file> or ./<file> (after
chmod). You can run programs using "exu <file>" without shebangs.
You don't need or want shebangs in any include files.
> And if so, how is this handled in cross platform programs, or
>does Dos and Windows versions of Euphoria ignore this line?
Yes
>So far Linux is very disenchanting to me,=20
I'd blame whoever convinced you to install Fedora rather than Mandrake
or SuSE 
)
>Windows may have it's bad days, but
>it sure is much more NEWBIE friendly. :(
as is most pre-installed and pre-configured software, especially if
some of the hardware (modem and possibly printer and soundcard) is
made specifically for windows not linux ) Sad really, these things
probably shave less than =A35 off the retail price of a new PC but BG
knew what he was doing signing up those manufacturers.
Not that I have any problem with someone preferring windows...
Regards,
Pete
4. Re: Euphoria On Linux
I run full linux with a Win4lin emulation session for my windows programs.
I am a systems developer .. and yea the in-house systems only runs on
windows.. so that way I have best of both world..
I am pushing for the company to adopt it as standard practice. Win4lin comes
in a server adition which will allow all the people to run remote windows
sessions on a central linux server giving unimaginible benifits of security
and stability..
Just thought I could share a good peace of sofware.. been using it for 3 years
and have never looked back.. have a look at www.netraverse.com
O yea.. and the support is great.
On Tuesday 11 January 2005 13:23, Pete Lomax wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:02:00 -0800, Ferlin Scarborough
>
> <guest at RapidEuphoria.com> wrote:
> >This SHEBANG(?) thing, does it need to be at the top of all my Euphoria
> > fo=
>
> r
>
> >Linux programs?
>
> Only if you want to be able to run it with <file> or ./<file> (after
> chmod). You can run programs using "exu <file>" without shebangs.
> You don't need or want shebangs in any include files.
>
> > And if so, how is this handled in cross platform programs, or
> >does Dos and Windows versions of Euphoria ignore this line?
>
> Yes
>
> >So far Linux is very disenchanting to me,=20
>
> I'd blame whoever convinced you to install Fedora rather than Mandrake
> or SuSE )
>
> >Windows may have it's bad days, but
> >it sure is much more NEWBIE friendly. :(
>
> as is most pre-installed and pre-configured software, especially if
> some of the hardware (modem and possibly printer and soundcard) is
> made specifically for windows not linux ) Sad really, these things
> probably shave less than =A35 off the retail price of a new PC but BG
> knew what he was doing signing up those manufacturers.
>
> Not that I have any problem with someone preferring windows...
>
> Regards,
> Pete
>
>
>
5. Re: Euphoria On Linux
Ferlin Scarborough wrote:
>
> Well I finally installed Fedora Core 3, and would like to know how to get
> connected to my Windows C Drive so I can copy the linux version of Euphoria
> over
> from it, including my registered version.
Well, if you had installed Mandrake, it would have asked during installation
if you wanted to see your Windows partition, and if you said 'yes', it would
install an icon on the desktop. After the fact, using KDE, you can always right
click on the desktop, and choose Create New/Device/Hard Disk Device, and
select /dev/hda1 from the pull-down menu. Can't say how you do this in Gnome-
I don't use Gnome.
> Here comes all the NEWBIE questions......
>
> It defaulted to GNOME, how do I switch to KDE, I told it to install all the
> KDE
> packages?
Again, if you had installed Mandrake, it would have asked which desktop you
wanted to boot into by default. Try shutting down Gnome, and see if it gives
you an option to restart with another windowmanager.
> This SHEBANG(?) thing, does it need to be at the top of all my Euphoria for
> Linux programs? And if so, how is this handled in cross platform programs, or
> does Dos and Windows versions of Euphoria ignore this line?
No, I never use it, because you can easily associate *.exu programs with
the exu binary- same as you would associated *.exw programs with exw.exe on
Windows.
At least, it's that easy with KDE.
> What is a good editor for doing Euphoria code under Linux, perferably one that
> comes with syntax highlighting?
Kate, of course. Be aware that Kate doesn't always get installed by default,
but it is almost always on the CD's. You may have to go back and install it
later.
> On another note, so far I find Linux to be a BIG pain in the rear trying to
> get
> my modem to work, it does not even see it, tells me it's not there.
>
> Under Windows my modem is an HSP56 MR (VIA) on COM3.
You need a real modem. Why tie up that expensive 32-bit processor's time
whistliing into a phone line?
> And I won't even begin to discuss printer setup problems yet.
Again, for most printers, Mandrake finds and sets them up automatically.
I'd like to be able to give you more help here, but I have tried Red Hat
a few times in the past, and always found Mandrake to be much easier.
All versions of Linux *run* pretty much the same, but there is a huge
difference in the installer programs. Some will be familiar and friendly
to the Windows user, others only useful if you really know what you're
doing.
> So far Linux is very disenchanting to me, Windows may have it's bad days, but
> it sure is much more NEWBIE friendly. :(
You misspelled SPAMMER.
Irv
6. Re: Euphoria On Linux
Ferlin Scarborough wrote:
>
> Well I finally installed Fedora Core 3, and would like to know how to get
> connected to my Windows C Drive so I can copy the linux version of Euphoria
> over
> from it, including my registered version.
Nice choice with Fedora. Linux isn't user friendly but the Red Hat/Fedora family
has the best compatability and is more user-friendly than most.Is the drive
FAT32? If it's NTFS then you might have some problems. Theoretically, you can
read from any NTFS drive but that's not always the case. To mount the drive just
type "mount -t <type, vfat or ntfs in your case> /dev/<drive id> <directory where
you want it mounted>"
> It defaulted to GNOME, how do I switch to KDE, I told it to install all the
> KDE
> packages?
If KDE is already installed (which usually is in RedHat/Fedora distributions)
then you can just type "switchdesk" and get the desktop switching tool. Or if
you're boot into runlevel 5 (fancy Linux talk for booting with a GUI login
screen) then at the bottom there's a Window
> This SHEBANG(?) thing, does it need to be at the top of all my Euphoria for
> Linux programs? And if so, how is this handled in cross platform programs, or
> does Dos and Windows versions of Euphoria ignore this line?
Yep, it needs to on the first line and DOS/Windows will ignore it.
> What is a good editor for doing Euphoria code under Linux, perferably one that
> comes with syntax highlighting?
I just use the original ed.ex that comes with Euphoria.
> On another note, so far I find Linux to be a BIG pain in the rear trying to
> get
> my modem to work, it does not even see it, tells me it's not there.
>
> Under Windows my modem is an HSP56 MR (VIA) on COM3.
>
> And I won't even begin to discuss printer setup problems yet.
Fedora Core 3 does have some driver issues compared to Fedora Core 2 but printer
setup is really easy if you have a network or standard modem (USB not so much).
Just run the CUPS utility which should be in you're "Start menu" somewhere.
> So far Linux is very disenchanting to me, Windows may have it's bad days, but
> it sure is much more NEWBIE friendly. :(
It's like programming in C vs. BASIC. If you want ease of use you do BASIC
(Windows) but if you need real power you use C (Linux).
7. Re: Euphoria On Linux
Ferlin Scarborough wrote:
>
> Well I finally installed Fedora Core 3, and would like to know how to get
> connected to my Windows C Drive so I can copy the linux version of Euphoria
> over
> from it, including my registered version.
Before you get too involved I urge you to read this review:
http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/5670/1/
Whether you stay with Fedora or not, subscribe to a mailing
list or forum for distribution specific support. Mandrake has
newbie and expert mailing lists as well as a "Twiki" web page.
>
> What is a good editor for doing Euphoria code under Linux, perferably one that
> comes with syntax highlighting?
>
> On another note, so far I find Linux to be a BIG pain in the rear trying to
> get
> my modem to work, it does not even see it, tells me it's not there.
>
> Under Windows my modem is an HSP56 MR (VIA) on COM3.
>
> And I won't even begin to discuss printer setup problems yet.
You may find helpful information here:
http://www.linuxprinting.org/
>
> So far Linux is very disenchanting to me, Windows may have it's bad days, but
> it sure is much more NEWBIE friendly. :(
>
Yep, I think there are a number of areas where Linux has some very
frustating issues. I also firmly believe that most of these issues
are directly or indirectly related to the fact that the success of
Linux threatens the greatest monopoly and concentration of wealth
the world has ever known.
However, it won't take long for you to realise that Linux is a
programmers paradise. :)
Ken Rhodes
100% Microsoft Free!
8. Re: Euphoria On Linux
Ferlin Scarborough wrote:
> This SHEBANG(?) thing, does it need to be at the top of all my Euphoria for
> Linux programs?
Not at all. It's just a convenience.
It lets you run a program by typing "foo" instead of "exu foo".
> And if so, how is this handled in cross platform programs, or
> does Dos and Windows versions of Euphoria ignore this line?
ex and exw ignore it. It's just a comment to them.
However, I found that Apache Web Server on Windows
will read the shebang line and locate/execute exw (exwc) just like
on Linux. By adding a shebang line to some Euphoria CGI programs
on Windows/Apache I didn't have to translate or bind those
programs into an executable file. That's more convenient when
you are developing, and still making frequent changes.
Regards,
Rob Craig
Rapid Deployment Software
http://www.RapidEuphoria.com
9. Re: Euphoria On Linux
ChrisBurch2 wrote:
>
> It may already be mounted, check /Windows, /mnt/Windows /mnt/[whatever]
> If not, make sure /Windows exists, then, as root
> mount /dev/hda1 /Windows
>
> /dev/hda1 is the probable location of you win drive, if it is the first
> partition
>
Yes it is /dev/hda1, Linux is installed on hdb1
> Chuck it, its a winmodem, which means half the modem processing is done
> by windows, and although there is progress in that direction, if you're a
> newby, take the easy option, and get a cheap external modem.
I will see about taking that route, right now need car parts to get on the
road. $$$$
> My take on Linux - its a little harder to get into, but if you don't play
> many games, and don't have a family also fighting to use the computer, then
> its faster, more secure, prettier, and a lot more fun than windows.
>
Problem is I do have family fighting to use the computer, grandchildren that
play their cartoon games, and a wife that only knows how to click a desktop
icon to play her games like Zuma Deluxe, and Hoyle Card Games. She like to
had a fit while it was down with the spyware or virus problems.
Thanks for your input.
Later.
Ferlin Scarborough
Learn To Program Games in Free Course At
http://www.gameuniv.net
My Euphoria Home Page
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/shadetreesoft
10. Re: Euphoria On Linux
Pete Lomax wrote:
>
> I'd blame whoever convinced you to install Fedora rather than Mandrake
> or SuSE )
I went with Fedora because it was the one I had a copy of, Lindows just did
not seem to be Linux enough, more like trying to emulate Windows, that was
my impression. I have a copy of Suse, but it is a CD run desktop evaluation
copy. The Yoper Distro, I have never heard of, and figured it wasn't as popular
as the Fedora, also the pictures with it, made it look too similar to Lindows.
So, I opted to install Fedora. :)
Later.
Ferlin Scarborough
Learn To Program Games in Free Course At
http://www.gameuniv.net
My Euphoria Home Page
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/shadetreesoft
11. Re: Euphoria On Linux
Dirk Boodryk wrote:
>
> I run full linux with a Win4lin emulation session for my windows programs.
> I am a systems developer .. and yea the in-house systems only runs on
> windows.. so that way I have best of both world..
>
> I am pushing for the company to adopt it as standard practice. Win4lin comes
> in a server adition which will allow all the people to run remote windows
> sessions on a central linux server giving unimaginible benifits of security
> and stability..
>
> Just thought I could share a good peace of sofware.. been using it for 3 years
>
> and have never looked back.. have a look at www.netraverse.com
>
> O yea.. and the support is great.
>
I'll do a search for it, and see what I can research on it, sounds interesting
at the least.
Later.
Ferlin Scarborough
Learn To Program Games in Free Course At
http://www.gameuniv.net
My Euphoria Home Page
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/shadetreesoft
12. Re: Euphoria On Linux
irv mullins wrote:
>
> Well, if you had installed Mandrake, it would have asked during installation
> if you wanted to see your Windows partition, and if you said 'yes', it would
> install an icon on the desktop. After the fact, using KDE, you can always
> right
> click on the desktop, and choose Create New/Device/Hard Disk Device, and
> select /dev/hda1 from the pull-down menu. Can't say how you do this in Gnome-
> I don't use Gnome.
>
Thanks I'll give that a try.
> No, I never use it, because you can easily associate *.exu programs with
> the exu binary- same as you would associated *.exw programs with exw.exe on
> Windows.
> At least, it's that easy with KDE.
>
Sounds like the way to go.
> Kate, of course. Be aware that Kate doesn't always get installed by default,
> but it is almost always on the CD's. You may have to go back and install it
> later.
>
I'll see so far the responses have been for Kate, does it have syntax
highlighting?
> You need a real modem. Why tie up that expensive 32-bit processor's time
> whistliing into a phone line?
>
See my earlier post to Pete.
> > So far Linux is very disenchanting to me, Windows may have it's bad days,
> > but
> > it sure is much more NEWBIE friendly. :(
>
> You misspelled SPAMMER.
>
LOL! I can agree with you there for sure. Sorry for sounding down on Linux,
but it was around 3:00am and I was very frustrated after spending 30 Minutes
installing Linux, the 4 hours trying to get modem and printers figured out.
Later.
Ferlin Scarborough
Learn To Program Games in Free Courses At
http://www.gameuniv.net
My Euphoria Home Page
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/shadetreesoft
13. Re: Euphoria On Linux
Kenneth Rhodes wrote:
>
> Before you get too involved I urge you to read this review:
> <a
> href="http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/5670/1/">http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/5670/1/</a>
>
> Whether you stay with Fedora or not, subscribe to a mailing
> list or forum for distribution specific support. Mandrake has
> newbie and expert mailing lists as well as a "Twiki" web page.
>
> You may find helpful information here:
> <a href="http://www.linuxprinting.org/">http://www.linuxprinting.org/</a>
>
Thanks for the links I will check them out.
>
> Yep, I think there are a number of areas where Linux has some very
> frustating issues. I also firmly believe that most of these issues
> are directly or indirectly related to the fact that the success of
> Linux threatens the greatest monopoly and concentration of wealth
> the world has ever known.
>
> However, it won't take long for you to realise that Linux is a
> programmers paradise. :)
>
I guess I was just frustrated and tired, I had been messing with it for about
4 hours. Maybe, I'll see it in a new light this evening.
Later.
Ferlin Scarborough
Learn To Program Games in Free Course At
http://www.gameuniv.net
My Euphoria Home Page
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/shadetreesoft
14. Re: Euphoria On Linux
D. Newhall wrote:
>
> Fedora Core 3 does have some driver issues compared to Fedora Core 2 but
> printer setup
> is really easy if you have a network or standard modem (USB not so much). Just
> run
> the CUPS utility which should be in you're "Start menu" somewhere.
>
I am not at the machine at the moment, but the printer is a USB printer, but
it just crossed my mind while reading the replys, that I recall seeing the
device as /dev/usb0, but my printer under windows is on USB2, maybe I need
to change the device?
Also, I have a 256MB Lexar Jumpdrive in my pocket, does Linux recognize these
USB drives, I could use it to move euphoria to Linux maybe?
Later.
Ferlin Scarborough
Learn To Program Games in Free Course At
http://www.gameuniv.net
My Euphoria Home Page
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/shadetreesoft
15. Re: Euphoria On Linux
- Posted by irv mullins <irvm at ellijay.com>
Jan 11, 2005
-
Last edited Jan 12, 2005
Ferlin Scarborough wrote:
> LOL! I can agree with you there for sure. Sorry for sounding down on Linux,
> but it was around 3:00am and I was very frustrated after spending 30 Minutes
> installing Linux, the 4 hours trying to get modem and printers figured out.
Of course it's frustrating. There's a learning curve involved with anything,
whether it's a new language or a new OS. The benefits, however, will outweigh
the pain - just keep at it for a few days. After you see all the stuff you get
with Linux, you'll never willingly go back to Windows (unless playing games
is all you use a computer for)
Irv
