1. [Off-topic] Re: Fast Java?!
> Jeff wrote:
> > Java isn't that much slower than C, though, so
> > I don't think writing it in Java would be too
> > much of a performance problem.
David Cuny wrote:
> I agree. I was amazed how much faster the new Java interpreters are.
Where can I get a fast one? That doesn't crash every few minutes? And
doesn't require 256MB RAM as a minimum for simple demos?
I tried playing with Java awhile back, was somewhat impressed with the
language specs, but very disappointed by the implementations. Version 2
claimed to be lightning-fast and safe, but it was slower than molasses,
required an enormous amount of RAM for anything non-trivial, and even the
simple demos leaked resources as bad as any C program I'd ever seen (or
worse).
I could sit and watch the GUI controls sloooowly drawing themselves on the
screen and the system monitor sliding down to the crash point. Gave me the
impression of an untested alpha release. The MS version didn't seem much
better, so I just gave up on it after a few hundred system crashes. My PII
300mHz w 64MB RAM may not be state of the art anymore, but still...these
weren't complex VR sims, video special-effects editors, or anything
intense...just simple text editor programs, how-to-use-a-tree-list demos, and
such. The supplied examples didn't work any better than my own attempts, so
it couldn't just have been me...
After that, given all the hype, I wouldn't trust a word on a Java website
ever again. I really expected it to fade out and disappear... Just another
case of overhyped software that couldn't begin to deliver. Is there a new
competitor that did it right, have they improved for real this time, or is it
just an improvement in Java terms?
I suppose I may be a bit biased by comparing it to Euphoria... <grin>
2. Re: [Off-topic] Re: Fast Java?!
Falkon 1313 wrote:
> Where can I get a fast [Java interpreter]?
> That doesn't crash every few minutes?
> And doesn't require 256MB RAM as a
> minimum for simple demos?
So far, I stayed with the text-based stuff, and the performance has been
good. Most of the bloat that I've heard about (and you allude to) comes from
the Swing interface, which emulates the entire GUI.
There are other GUI classes that are faster. Personally, I'll probably stick
to the AWT.
-- David Cuny
