1. RE: Click And Pay! (aka Note To Rob)
CH wrote:
Great idea I was thinking about buying Euphoria, but I'am not going to
now, just because it is slow and not worth $40.00. I say do something
like you said or mayabe once you buy it you get free upgrades. If they
start doing what you say, well heck I would buy all versions too. Could
you tell me wherei could get MSVC. Which one is the fastest MSVC or
DJGPP, and which one is easier for a newbie.
Thanks for all your comments, just wondering what do you do, are you a
programmer? For who?
Mike The Spike wrote:
> As I said in a previous post;
> most young people start programming because they wanna
> create their own computer game.
> They play Duke and Quake, and Zelda and Half-Life, and
> they read about John Carmack and John Romero
> (boooh!!),
> and have tons of ideas for a kick-ass game.
>
> But they will be scared away from Euphoria.
> As they first think: "Woah! This is easy! I can do
> that!", but later find out it's too slow and doesn't,
> for example, allow their games to run on their 200$ 3D
> hardware accelerators.
>
> I know this is true what I'm sayinng and not bullshit,
> because of a friend of mine, Ultima (aka Kevin Lang),
> who I found out knew Euphoria.
> He coded in it for a while back in the 1.5 days.
> He produced a game wich is one of my favorites (I'm a
> retro fan) called Teen Life, wich he coded in Turbo
> Pascal.
> Today, he's coding a 3D engine called STEngine in C++
> using MSVC++.
> When he asked me for advice, I said: "Why not use
> Euphoria to code your engine?". He was like: "Yeah
> right! Euphoria! 'Lag-city'!".
> For example his engine allows you to update components
> by writing a DLL.
> How is he gonna do that in Euphoria?
>
> But the main reason I think we see all those young
> people flying off to MSVC and DJGPP land, is because
> they are free.
> A young person ain't gonna pay for something he finds
> on a web page.
> And the PD editions of Euphoria are worthless except
> for learning the language.
> They rather go downlaod DJGPP with Allegro or a pirate
> version of MSVC wich can be found anywhere (bought
> mine for 3 bucks from a guy that copied it from the
> latest Twilight CD).
>
> What should RDS do to allow more people to pay for
> Euphoria, without having to hand over cash or a
> creditcard number?
>
> This what I had in mind.
> Something revolutionary.
> I call it; 'Click And Pay'.
>
> RDS should get like 20 sponsors to put some banner ads
> on a dedicated RDS page.
> Then, they should let people click on those adds,
> visit each site and write down the first letter they
> find in every site.
> Then submit the combined letters through a simple form
> and voila! They payed for their copy and it is mailed
> to them automatically!
> Offcourse the banners change every once in a while so
> people can't spread the combined letters to submit.
>
> Hell!
> If this was the way to pay for Euphoria I'd start
> buying every registered version since 1993, just for
> my collection or some shit (btw, I have Euphoria 1.3
> on my HD, mail me if you want it).
>
> I realy think every slack-jawed gogle that'd pass by
> the RDS page would 'pay' for his copy, just for the
> hell of it, even if they don't even know what
> 'programming' means.
>
> RDS can make ten times more cash if they let users pay
> like this for their copies.
>
> I personally think RC should do this for the next
> release.
> Just to give it a try.
> If it don't work out, he can take it out again.
>
>
> Mike The SPike
>
>
2. RE: Click And Pay! (aka Note To Rob)
--- C H <computer_kid101 at coolemail.com> wrote:
> CH wrote:
> Great idea I was thinking about buying Euphoria, but
> I'am not going to
> now, just because it is slow and not worth $40.00. I
> say do something
> like you said or mayabe once you buy it you get free
> upgrades. If they
> start doing what you say, well heck I would buy all
> versions too. Could
> you tell me wherei could get MSVC. Which one is the
> fastest MSVC or
> DJGPP, and which one is easier for a newbie.
> Thanks for all your comments, just wondering what do
> you do, are you a
> programmer? For who?
See Rob?
Anyways, DJGPP is a C compiler for DOS...
It's slower than MSVC, as MSVC is the fastest compiler
in the world.
Microsoft Visual C++ is only available for Windows,
but it sure as hell is easier to use than DJGPP.
To get hold of a copy, I can't realy direct you to any
warez sites where you can download it for free (it
actually costs a thousand bucks or something), because
those warez sites change location all the time.
The best thing to do, is type "warez download msvc++"
on Yahoo.
You can download LCCWin, wich is great for beginners,
and later move on to MSVC++.
What I do?
Well I'm a programmer.
I have a 2 year training as AI coder in C++ behind my
back.
I used to work for L&H untill I quit a month or so
ago.
I quit because of the legal problems L&H is having.
I dropped out of school at the age of 14 to start at
L&H on their 'Whizzkids' project.
I was hand-picked out of 400 contestants.
Which I'm quite proud of, since officially I have
flunked every class since Elementary school.
That's because I kept coding in highschool instead of
learning my lessons ;)
I'd suggest that to anyone that thinks school sucks
and computers rule.
If that's the way you think, Microsoft organises the
Whizzkids project in the US.
L&H did it in Belgium (where I live) with the help of
Microsoft.
I kinda miss my job :p
We had a team of AI coders working on Real Speak, wich
I supervised.
A bunch of 19 to 25 year olds having to listen to a
dipshit of 16 ;)
I liked it.
And, I miss the PIII 500 with TNT2 card I was
assigned.
Right now I'm using a damned 166 at home:(
But AI is just my training, I'm a 3D graphics coder by
hobby.
I applied for jobs at Remedy and 3D Realms in the
past, and personally know a lot of bigshots in the
gaming industry (I'm Chris Hargrove's greatest
nightmare, Joe Siegler's reason why he can't sleep at
night, and occasional debate pall for Ken Silverman).
If you wanna code a commercial 3D game and don't know
how to do it, you ask MTS ;)
Mike The Spike
3. RE: Click And Pay! (aka Note To Rob)
Ha ha!!
You think your having difficulties with Euphoria!! Good luck writing a
'Hello World' program with C/++ !!
Execution speed isn't everything.. How about when you try to write a
Game in C and it takes you over two years, to find out by the time
you've finished someone else already came up with your idea and has it
on the market!!
ESPECIALLY if you're a newbie programmer, Euphoria is MUCH better for
you.. What other languages do you know?
You gotta start somewhere, and C isn't the place.. that's like
learning to drive a car while racing the indy500.
I've been coding for 3 years now, and I STILL don't wanna play with C.
I have DJGGP, and Borland C++, and VISUAL BASIC 5, and VC++, and
LCCWIN32, and Ming32, and.. and .. and...
They sit on my shelf.. Granted.. C IS faster than EU, that's a given,
but for a newbie, it's irrelavant..
You think your just going to sit down and code a highly optimized 3d
Game, while at the same time learning how?? Which, by the way, is BULL
too.. most Games use ASM for the CPU intensive parts of their code..
If you just wanna skip the nitty gritties, go learn machine code..
and ASM.. then your games will fly.. LOL
Chris
C H wrote:
> CH wrote:
> Great idea I was thinking about buying Euphoria, but I'am not going to
> now, just because it is slow and not worth $40.00. I say do something
> like you said or mayabe once you buy it you get free upgrades. If they
> start doing what you say, well heck I would buy all versions too. Could
> you tell me wherei could get MSVC. Which one is the fastest MSVC or
> DJGPP, and which one is easier for a newbie.
> Thanks for all your comments, just wondering what do you do, are you a
> programmer? For who?
>
>
> Mike The Spike wrote:
> > As I said in a previous post;
> > most young people start programming because they wanna
> > create their own computer game.
> > They play Duke and Quake, and Zelda and Half-Life, and
> > they read about John Carmack and John Romero
> > (boooh!!),
> > and have tons of ideas for a kick-ass game.
> >
> > But they will be scared away from Euphoria.
> > As they first think: "Woah! This is easy! I can do
> > that!", but later find out it's too slow and doesn't,
> > for example, allow their games to run on their 200$ 3D
> > hardware accelerators.
> >
> > I know this is true what I'm sayinng and not bullshit,
> > because of a friend of mine, Ultima (aka Kevin Lang),
> > who I found out knew Euphoria.
> > He coded in it for a while back in the 1.5 days.
> > He produced a game wich is one of my favorites (I'm a
> > retro fan) called Teen Life, wich he coded in Turbo
> > Pascal.
> > Today, he's coding a 3D engine called STEngine in C++
> > using MSVC++.
> > When he asked me for advice, I said: "Why not use
> > Euphoria to code your engine?". He was like: "Yeah
> > right! Euphoria! 'Lag-city'!".
> > For example his engine allows you to update components
> > by writing a DLL.
> > How is he gonna do that in Euphoria?
> >
> > But the main reason I think we see all those young
> > people flying off to MSVC and DJGPP land, is because
> > they are free.
> > A young person ain't gonna pay for something he finds
> > on a web page.
> > And the PD editions of Euphoria are worthless except
> > for learning the language.
> > They rather go downlaod DJGPP with Allegro or a pirate
> > version of MSVC wich can be found anywhere (bought
> > mine for 3 bucks from a guy that copied it from the
> > latest Twilight CD).
> >
> > What should RDS do to allow more people to pay for
> > Euphoria, without having to hand over cash or a
> > creditcard number?
> >
> > This what I had in mind.
> > Something revolutionary.
> > I call it; 'Click And Pay'.
> >
> > RDS should get like 20 sponsors to put some banner ads
> > on a dedicated RDS page.
> > Then, they should let people click on those adds,
> > visit each site and write down the first letter they
> > find in every site.
> > Then submit the combined letters through a simple form
> > and voila! They payed for their copy and it is mailed
> > to them automatically!
> > Offcourse the banners change every once in a while so
> > people can't spread the combined letters to submit.
> >
> > Hell!
> > If this was the way to pay for Euphoria I'd start
> > buying every registered version since 1993, just for
> > my collection or some shit (btw, I have Euphoria 1.3
> > on my HD, mail me if you want it).
> >
> > I realy think every slack-jawed gogle that'd pass by
> > the RDS page would 'pay' for his copy, just for the
> > hell of it, even if they don't even know what
> > 'programming' means.
> >
> > RDS can make ten times more cash if they let users pay
> > like this for their copies.
> >
> > I personally think RC should do this for the next
> > release.
> > Just to give it a try.
> > If it don't work out, he can take it out again.
> >
> >
> > Mike The SPike
> >
> >
4. RE: Click And Pay! (aka Note To Rob)
- Posted by gebrandariz <gebrandariz at YAHOO.COM>
Feb 04, 2001
-
Last edited Feb 05, 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike The Spike <mtsreborn at yahoo.com>
To: <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 9:59 PM
Subject: Click And Pay! (aka Note To Rob)
> If this was the way to pay for Euphoria I'd start
> buying every registered version since 1993, just for
> my collection or some shit (btw, I have Euphoria 1.3
> on my HD, mail me if you want it).
Can send you 1.4a and 1.5a, some 400K each.
Gerardo
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5. RE: Click And Pay! (aka Note To Rob)
- Posted by Mike The Spike <mtsreborn at yahoo.com>
Feb 04, 2001
-
Last edited Feb 05, 2001
--- gebrandariz <gebrandariz at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike The Spike <mtsreborn at yahoo.com>
> To: <EUforum at topica.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 9:59 PM
> Subject: Click And Pay! (aka Note To Rob)
>
>
> > If this was the way to pay for Euphoria I'd start
> > buying every registered version since 1993, just
> for
> > my collection or some shit (btw, I have Euphoria
> 1.3
> > on my HD, mail me if you want it).
>
> Can send you 1.4a and 1.5a, some 400K each.
>
> Gerardo
Thanks man!
But that won't be neccesary, I've got 2.2, 2.1, 2.0,
1.5, 1.4 and 1.3.
What I'd be interested in, though, would be Euphoria
1.0.
Just for nostalgia purposes ;)
But I reckon no one in the world has it anymore :(
Mike The Spike
6. RE: Click And Pay! (aka Note To Rob)
- Posted by gebrandariz <gebrandariz at YAHOO.COM>
Feb 04, 2001
-
Last edited Feb 05, 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike The Spike <mtsreborn at yahoo.com>
To: <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 12:30 AM
Subject: RE: Click And Pay! (aka Note To Rob)
> Thanks man!
>
> But that won't be neccesary, I've got 2.2, 2.1, 2.0,
> 1.5, 1.4 and 1.3.
>
> What I'd be interested in, though, would be Euphoria
> 1.0.
>
> Just for nostalgia purposes ;)
>
> But I reckon no one in the world has it anymore :(
>
>
> Mike The Spike
OK, can't find it either. But I found this instead -ain't it a jewel
straight out of prehistory? ---
Gerardo
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7. RE: Click And Pay! (aka Note To Rob)
- Posted by Mike The Spike <mtsreborn at yahoo.com>
Feb 04, 2001
-
Last edited Feb 05, 2001
--- gebrandariz <gebrandariz at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> OK, can't find it either. But I found this instead
> -ain't it a jewel
> straight out of prehistory? ---
>
>
> Gerardo
>
Holy shit!
LOL!
Look at this;
"
Since Euphoria does not emit machine instructions, it
is highly
portable to other systems, and will soon be available
on OS/2,
Windows, Macintosh and various UNIX systems.
"
That was 8 years ago today LOL!
That was a good read, thanks man!
Mike The Spike
8. RE: Click And Pay! (aka Note To Rob)
- Posted by C H <computer_kid101 at coolemail.com>
Feb 04, 2001
-
Last edited Feb 05, 2001
CH wrote:
I know where you can get it Euphoria(1.0) I had it on my computer for a
while then deleted it, if you want to know where it's at send a message
back. Do you mean the complete edition or the shareware version?
gebrandariz wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike The Spike <mtsreborn at yahoo.com>
> To: <EUforum at topica.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 12:30 AM
> Subject: RE: Click And Pay! (aka Note To Rob)
>
>
> > Thanks man!
> >
> > But that won't be neccesary, I've got 2.2, 2.1, 2.0,
> > 1.5, 1.4 and 1.3.
> >
> > What I'd be interested in, though, would be Euphoria
> > 1.0.
> >
> > Just for nostalgia purposes ;)
> >
> > But I reckon no one in the world has it anymore :(
> >
> >
> > Mike The Spike
>
> OK, can't find it either. But I found this instead -ain't it a jewel
> straight out of prehistory? ---
> http://www.metronet.com:70/0/newprod/by-vendor/R/rapid_deployme/930904.02
>
>
> Gerardo
>
>
9. RE: Click And Pay! (aka Note To Rob)
- Posted by gebrandariz <gebrandariz at YAHOO.COM>
Feb 05, 2001
-
Last edited Feb 06, 2001
David (and all, especially Robert):
----- Original Message -----
From: David Cuny <dcuny at LANSET.COM>
To: <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: Click And Pay! (aka Note To Rob)
> gebrandariz (Gerardo) wrote:
>
> > OK, can't find it either. But I found this instead
> > -ain't it a jewel straight out of prehistory?
>
> You mean this bit? 
>
> "Since Euphoria does not emit machine instructions, it is highly
> portable to other systems, and will soon be available on OS/2,
> Windows, Macintosh and various UNIX systems."
>
> -- David Cuny
Actually, yes and no. Not specifically, I mean -finding the announcement
seemed to me remarkable as a whole, I never meant to pinpoint any specific
portion. I don't think an announcement of intention made eight years ago
should be taken too literally. Not only has RDS every right to change their
product as they see fit, and/or demand and circumstance indicate, but the
universe in which Euphoria lives has also changed too much for any "promise"
to be valid after almost a decade.
If such were the case, no software company would ever announce anything.
Announcements and promises, however fulfilled, are an important part of the
dynamics of the industry. Isn't everybody going to discuss Windows XP now?
But yes, now that you point it out. Maybe some day one of us will write down
the history of Euphoria as a parable of low budget, home-brewed, high power
software. And there you'll have it: the statement that broke the news to the
world.
Gerardo E. Brandariz
P.S. One of the most interesting books I've ever read is 'The Soul Of A New
Machine,' a very penetrating and detailed analysis of the design and
building of one of the first DEC 'mini-computers.' I hope someone qualified
does the same for a piece of software, say a programming language, say ...
guess which one?
Gerardo
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