1. sequence question
- Posted by Tone Škoda <tskoda at email.si> Sep 04, 2004
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sequence s1, s2 s1 = repeat (0, 1000000) -- s1 is 3.8MB big s2 = {{}} s2 [1] = s1 will this last line of code: 1. make copy of s1 into s2 [1] 2. or will it only make pointer to s1? similar is this: s2 = {repeat (0, 1000000)} s1 = s2 [1] -- what happens here? if it is number 1 then it is waste of memory. in cases like this i like C more because it is more clear what happens. i'm asking this because i want to create a library which is not specific for program. and in this library one sequence1 appears in many different sequences. i could only have one copy of this sequence1, not many same copies which would exist in these different sequences. here pointers would be nice. i would like pointers and structures added to euphoria. pointers are good because you can identify a variable without having to copy it in memory. you can do that in euphoria but it's much more complicated. structures are also possible in euphoria but again not on simple easy way. and structures are needed in every program.
2. Re: sequence question
- Posted by CoJaBo <cojabo at suscom.net> Sep 04, 2004
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Tone Škoda wrote: > > sequence s1, s2 > s1 = repeat (0, 1000000) -- s1 is 3.8MB big > s2 = {{}} > s2 [1] = s1 > > will this last line of code: > 1. make copy of s1 into s2 [1] > 2. or will it only make pointer to s1? 2 > > similar is this: > s2 = {repeat (0, 1000000)} > s1 = s2 [1] -- what happens here? 2 again > > if it is number 1 then it is waste of memory. > in cases like this i like C more because it is more clear what happens. > > i'm asking this because i want to create a library which is not specific for > program. > and in this library one sequence1 appears in many different sequences. i could > only > have one copy of this sequence1, not many same copies which would exist in > these different > sequences. here pointers would be nice. > > i would like pointers and structures added to euphoria. > pointers are good because you can identify a variable without having to copy > it in This happens automattically, but pointers could be useful is some cases (there are better uses than this):
integer a,b atom c a=~b--a is (internally) a pointer to b(~ here specifies a pointer) --a and b are still undefined a=1 ?b--displays 1 b=2 ?a--displays 2 a=~c--Should cause an error; types must be the same
Unfortunatly, this will probably never be implemented. > memory. you can do that in euphoria but it's much more complicated. structures > are > also possible in euphoria but again not on simple easy way. and structures are > needed > in every program. There are librarys that can do ths easily, there isn't really much to improve. >
3. Re: sequence question
- Posted by Derek Parnell <ddparnell at bigpond.com> Sep 04, 2004
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Tone Škoda wrote: > > sequence s1, s2 > s1 = repeat (0, 1000000) -- s1 is 3.8MB big > s2 = {{}} > s2 [1] = s1 > > will this last line of code: > 1. make copy of s1 into s2 [1] > 2. or will it only make pointer to s1? > > similar is this: > s2 = {repeat (0, 1000000)} > s1 = s2 [1] -- what happens here? > > if it is number 1 then it is waste of memory. > in cases like this i like C more because it is more clear what happens. I think, and I stress *think*, what happens is that the 'copied' sequence is just a pointer to the original until such time as the original is changed, then you get a real copy done. All of this happens in the background. sequence s1, s2 s1 = repeat (0, 1000000) -- s1 is 3.8MB big s2 = {{}} s2 [1] = s1 -- s2[1] now points to s1. s1[1] = 1 -- This also triggers a copy of the original s1 -- so that s2[1] now contains (points to actually) a -- copy of s1. > i'm asking this because i want to create a library which is not specific for > program. > and in this library one sequence1 appears in many different sequences. i could > only > have one copy of this sequence1, not many same copies which would exist in > these different > sequences. here pointers would be nice. > > i would like pointers and structures added to euphoria. > pointers are good because you can identify a variable without having to copy > it in > memory. you can do that in euphoria but it's much more complicated. structures > are > also possible in euphoria but again not on simple easy way. and structures are > needed > in every program. The way that I do things so it has the same effect as pointers is that I have a 'global' sequence and pass a 'pointer' to it in the form of an index. eg.
global sequence PH PH = {} sequence PHalloced PHalloced = {} global function allocPH() integer lPos lPos = find(0, PHalloced) if lPos then PHalloced[lPos] = 1 return lPos end if PH &= 0 PHalloced &= 1 return length(PHalloced) end function global procedure freePH(integer pPos) if pPos > 0 and pPos <= length(PH) then PH[pPos]=0 PHalloced[pPos] = 0 end if end procedure global function isAllocedPH(integer pPos) if pPos > 0 and pPos <= length(PH) then return (PHalloced[pPos] != 0) else return -1 end if end function integer x sequence s1,s2 x = allocPH() PH[x] = repeat(0, 1000000) s1 = {x} -- points to sequence s2 = {x} -- points to sequence. PH[ s1[1] ][1] = 1 -- assign using S1 ? PH[ s2[1] ][1] -- read using S1 freePH(x) if isAllocedPH(x) then ? PH[s2[1]][1] else ? 3 end if
So in short, Heap based objects can be passed by reference using this technique. And yes, datatype-safe structures would be nice because the Euphoria would validate the datatype-ness rather than leaving it up to the programmer. -- Derek Parnell Melbourne, Australia
4. sequence question
- Posted by Kat <gertie at PELL.NET> Feb 02, 2001
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- Last edited Feb 03, 2001
Ok, why can't i do this: Syntax error - expected to see possibly 'end', not '[' theword[loop] = {'e','e','e','e','e','E','E','E','E'}[loop] where i am replacing the loopth char in theword with the loopth char out of the sequence {'e','e','e','e','e','E','E','E','E'} ? Cause if i do this: array = {'e','e','e','e','e','E','E','E','E'} theword[loop] = array[loop] it's ok. Kat
5. Re: sequence question
- Posted by LEVIATHAN <leviathan at uswest.net> Feb 02, 2001
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- Last edited Feb 03, 2001
> Ok, why can't i do this: > > Syntax error - expected to see possibly 'end', not '[' > theword[loop] = {'e','e','e','e','e','E','E','E','E'}[loop] I assume you can't add [#] to the end of a sequence. But it doesn't make sense to me... the one below makes more sense, Kat... > array = {'e','e','e','e','e','E','E','E','E'} > theword[loop] = array[loop] > > it's ok. Yeah, makes sense, makes sense... {} isn't considered a procedure, perhaps? --"LEVIATHAN"
6. Re: sequence question
- Posted by Kat <gertie at PELL.NET> Feb 03, 2001
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On 2 Feb 2001, at 23:52, LEVIATHAN wrote: > > Ok, why can't i do this: > > > > Syntax error - expected to see possibly 'end', not '[' > > theword[loop] = {'e','e','e','e','e','E','E','E','E'}[loop] > > I assume you can't add [#] to the end of a sequence. But it doesn't > make sense to me... the one below makes more sense, Kat... > > > array = {'e','e','e','e','e','E','E','E','E'} > > theword[loop] = array[loop] > > > > it's ok. > > Yeah, makes sense, makes sense... {} isn't considered a > procedure, perhaps? Wasn't supposed to be a procedure, i was hoping to save a var (old habits) and explicitly state the contents of the var and index into them directly, rather than declare a var, assign the contents to the var, and then index into the var.. oh well, it's ok. Just seemed to me it should work. Kat