1. IDE version .9L.1 available
http://home.flash.net/~camping/judith.htm
New version has a fix for being able to move the window, incorrect sizing of
Design window between project windows and when adding a new window, and
addition of Popup Menu.
Judith
2. Re: IDE version .9L.1 available
Okay, let me just outline what's happening on my machine so you can have a
closer look...
- I can drag "Window1" outside the development window. I don't see this as
analogous to the VBA environment, but I only use the VBA IDE, NOT the
regular VB one... In the VBA IDE, you cannot drag windows outside of the
development program window. I hope this is clear... 
- When I go to resize the development window, the "Window1" window
automatically pops back into position. This is disconcerting and probably
not useful behavior. (The "Properties" window, however, does NOT reposition
itself into place.)
- The properties "window" should be "dockable," meaning it will snap-to a
bordered position when dragged there, or into its own window it moved away.
It is not a normal "floating" window that simply rests at the edge of the
design window.
- Window1 automatically gets focus when the mouse cursor moves over it. This
is also disconcerting and undesired behavior.
- The Properties window is drawn with a "3D" border. "Window1" is rendered
with a single-line. It should also have a "3D" border, I think.
- I should be able to TAB to/from each "Property" item in the Properties
window. Right now, if I enter a (Name) and push TAB, I just get the "bing"
sound... and no cursor movement.
- If you select an object, it stays selected no matter where you click. The
only way to have nothing selected is to switch to another application then
come back.
- When clicking on the Properties dialog, the Caption ALWAYS reads what the
LAST caption entered was.
Functionality Needs:
* Select multiple objects
* Left/center/right justify text on a text label.
* CTRL+Click+Drag to copy an object
Thanks! Please keep up the good work! (Yes, I'm begging!)
-ck
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3. Re: IDE version .9L.1 available
> http://home.flash.net/~camping/judith.htm
>
> New version has a fix for being able to move the window, incorrect
> sizing of Design window between project windows and when adding a new
> window, and addition of Popup Menu.
>
Very kewl.
Judith, in addition of the bugs ck found, I found another one, after
loading a prj, and then going for a new project, it'd crash (previous
stuff left in properties box... this could've caused the problem).
However, I noted this was fixed.
But, I found a new one... exit a window, and it never comes back :)
I love the feel of the IDE so far, Judith, keep up the good work!
One thing I'd like to request tho: The ability to delete windows :)
While I'm at it, i'm gonna go poke around to see whats making the
caption miss the control in the window :)
TIA,
--"LEVIATHAN"
> Judith
4. Re: IDE version .9L.1 available
resonses below in message.
On Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:32:57 -0600, ck lester <cklester at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>Okay, let me just outline what's happening on my machine so you can have a
>closer look...
>
>- I can drag "Window1" outside the development window. I don't see this as
>analogous to the VBA environment, but I only use the VBA IDE, NOT the
>regular VB one... In the VBA IDE, you cannot drag windows outside of the
>development program window. I hope this is clear...
>- When I go to resize the development window, the "Window1" window
>automatically pops back into position. This is disconcerting and probably
>not useful behavior. (The "Properties" window, however, does NOT reposition
>itself into place.)>
>- The properties "window" should be "dockable," meaning it will snap-to a
>bordered position when dragged there, or into its own window it moved away.
>It is not a normal "floating" window that simply rests at the edge of the
>design window.
I didn't intend anyone to be moving the Design and Property windows away
from the Controls yet. I don't know how to make it 'stick' unless I change
the style to one that doesn't have the TitleBar.
>
>- Window1 automatically gets focus when the mouse cursor moves over it.
This
>is also disconcerting and undesired behavior.
See previous post.
>
>- The Properties window is drawn with a "3D" border. "Window1" is rendered
>with a single-line. It should also have a "3D" border, I think.
OK.
>
>- I should be able to TAB to/from each "Property" item in the Properties
>window. Right now, if I enter a (Name) and push TAB, I just get the "bing"
>sound... and no cursor movement.
I need to get with David Cuny on this. He wrote the property sheet module.
But I'm using it in a different way than he intended.
>
>- If you select an object, it stays selected no matter where you click. The
>only way to have nothing selected is to switch to another application then
>come back.
Yikes. My fix to keep the window from being moved has bitten me. I've got it
fixed now.
>
>- When clicking on the Properties dialog, the Caption ALWAYS reads what the
>LAST caption entered was.
Yes. I stated this problem in the README.doc and in the IDE.htm.
>
>Functionality Needs:
>* Select multiple objects
What exactly do you mean? Do you mean so you can eal with them as a unit?
>* Left/center/right justify text on a text label.
If you mean on the emulated controls drawn on the Design window, this is on
my list.
>* CTRL+Click+Drag to copy an object
Well, I use that to move a tab control and all its tab items and their
controls. But if you can suggest another key combintion I'll add it to the
list.
>
>Thanks! Please keep up the good work! (Yes, I'm begging!)
Thank *you*. I appreciate everyone taking the time to debug my errors.
Judith
>-ck
>
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5. Re: IDE version .9L.1 available
On Fri, 24 Nov 2000 16:46:20 -0800, LEVIATHAN <leviathan at USWEST.NET> wrote:
>> http://home.flash.net/~camping/judith.htm
>>
>> New version has a fix for being able to move the window, incorrect
>> sizing of Design window between project windows and when adding a new
>> window, and addition of Popup Menu.
>>
>
>Very kewl.
>
>Judith, in addition of the bugs ck found, I found another one, after
>loading a prj, and then going for a new project, it'd crash (previous
>stuff left in properties box... this could've caused the problem).
>However, I noted this was fixed.
>
>But, I found a new one... exit a window, and it never comes back :)
I need more info. How are you exiting the window?
>
>I love the feel of the IDE so far, Judith, keep up the good work!
Thank you. I'm rather feeling my way through this. I don't know VB or have
access to it so I am going by comments that are made and the pics of the VB
screen sent to me.
>
>One thing I'd like to request tho: The ability to delete windows :)
Ah, never thought of this one. Should be doable!
>
>While I'm at it, i'm gonna go poke around to see whats making the
>caption miss the control in the window :)
Be advised that David Cuny wrote this module and intended that it be in the
same window as the design. He included a demo several months ago. It works
fine. Tab keys and attributes work as desired. But when I put the property
sheet in its own window, that is when the problems have started.
>
>TIA,
>
>--"LEVIATHAN"
>
>> Judith
6. Re: IDE version .9L.1 available
On 24 Nov 2000, at 18:32, ck lester wrote:
>
> - The properties "window" should be "dockable," meaning it will snap-to a
> bordered position when dragged there, or into its own window it moved away. It
> is not a normal "floating" window that simply rests at the edge of the design
> window.
If you mean dockable the way i think you do, like ICQ did, that is one
reason i stopped using ICQ. Every time i inadvertantly moved it to one side
of the screen, it "docked" there, and rearranged *all* the icons on the
desktop, putting them in apparently random places, but all grouped
together. The only cure was moving it off the "docked" position, putting all
the icons back where i wanted them, and rebooting. Not going to do that
again.
Kat
7. Re: IDE version .9L.1 available
Kat, it is dockable in that sense, but does NOT dock to the desktop, but
rather, to the parent window.
If any of you people (Judith) use Microsoft Office (even just Word), start a
document and press Alt+F11 to get to the VBA editor.
-ck
P.S. I'm putting a screenshot to demonstrate the docked and undocked look at
my web site... Go to www.cklester.com/vbaideshot.htm.
> If you mean dockable the way i think you do, like ICQ did, that is one
> reason i stopped using ICQ.
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8. Re: IDE version .9L.1 available
> >But, I found a new one... exit a window, and it never comes back :)
> I need more info. How are you exiting the window?
Clicking the close box in the upper-right corner :)
I was just playing around with it, and noticed that bringing up either
the Menu editor or the Popup editor make the window visible again...
is there some way to make sure we don't have to do this?
> >I love the feel of the IDE so far, Judith, keep up the good work!
>
> Thank you. I'm rather feeling my way through this. I don't know VB or
> have access to it so I am going by comments that are made and the pics
> of the VB screen sent to me.
Very kewl, indeed.
In .9L.2, I noted the Properties sheet and the window snap back to
positions in the window. Nice touch, but came as a suprise for me at
first, for sure :)
> >One thing I'd like to request tho: The ability to delete windows :)
>
> Ah, never thought of this one. Should be doable!
- And it is :)
> >While I'm at it, i'm gonna go poke around to see whats making the
> >caption miss the control in the window :)
>
> Be advised that David Cuny wrote this module and intended that it be
> in the same window as the design. He included a demo several months
> ago. It works fine. Tab keys and attributes work as desired. But when
> I put the property sheet in its own window, that is when the problems
> have started.
Oh, oh, oh, I meant inside the _design_ window, the control's
caption would completely miss the control.... this is changed when
uncommenting the statements in IDE.exw and IDE_draw.ew, no?
TIA,
--"LEVIATHAN"
