1. (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
I think the title says everything.
I mean, c'mon.. it's $39. If you feel like that's too much money for you
then you'll just have to accept the restrictions.
And another thing, you *can* make stand-alone exe:s. Just get the
euphoria->C translator.
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2. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
>mic _ <stabmaster_ at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> I think the title says everything.
> I mean, c'mon.. it's $39. If you feel like that's too much money for you
> then you'll just have to accept the restrictions.
That's a lot of money for me. For that money i can get 10 CDs with anything
i want to on them, (Visual C++, visual basic, java.... which ever language i
want). Euphoria is so unknown i cant get it anywhere. i wish it would be a
little more popular language. Maybe someday i will register.
3. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
On 14 Nov 2000, at 20:02, koda wrote:
> >mic _ <stabmaster_ at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
>
> > I think the title says everything.
> > I mean, c'mon.. it's $39. If you feel like that's too much money for you
> > then you'll just have to accept the restrictions.
>
> That's a lot of money for me. For that money i can get 10 CDs with anything i
> want to on them, (Visual C++, visual basic, java.... which ever language i
> want). Euphoria is so unknown i cant get it anywhere. i wish it would be a
> little more popular language. Maybe someday i will register.
You *can* get it for free, try the RDS webpage at
http://www.rapideuphoria.com/
Kat
4. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
Def
Success =3D Helping others achieve Success
Robert and Junko have a very fine product.
A product, I'm certain took lots of hours to produce.
A product that has allowed me and others to reallize
results in programming that I personally could not
have achieved in other low level languages.
I believe that in the very near future, processor
speed will be so fast that you'd be a fool to not
use a language such as Euphoria.
I'm Not saying Euphoria is slow either, I have
programs that run fast enough on 486's...
----- Original Message -----
From: "=A9koda" <tone.skoda at SIOL.NET>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
> >mic _ <stabmaster_ at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
>
> > I think the title says everything.
> > I mean, c'mon.. it's $39. If you feel like that's too much money for =
you
> > then you'll just have to accept the restrictions.
>
> That's a lot of money for me. For that money i can get 10 CDs with
anything
> i want to on them, (Visual C++, visual basic, java.... which ever langu=
age
i
> want). Euphoria is so unknown i cant get it anywhere. i wish it would b=
e a
> little more popular language. Maybe someday i will register.
>
5. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
- Posted by cense <cense at MAIL.RU>
Nov 14, 2000
-
Last edited Nov 15, 2000
On 14 Nov 2000, at 20:02, koda wrote:
>> That's a lot of money for me. For that money i can get 10 CDs with anything i
>> want to on them, (Visual C++, visual basic, java.... which ever language i
>> want). Euphoria is so unknown i cant get it anywhere. i wish it would be a
>> little more popular language. Maybe someday i will register.
So basically you are saying you can buy illegal versions of software for
cheaper than you can get legal software? This is not a direct attack at you
koda but please, compare beans with beans.
--
evil, corruption and bad taste
^[cense]
6. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
- Posted by Aku <aku at inbox.as>
Nov 15, 2000
>>mic _ <stabmaster_ at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> I think the title says everything.
>> I mean, c'mon.. it's $39. If you feel like that's too much money for you
>> then you'll just have to accept the restrictions.
©> That's a lot of money for me. For that money i can get 10 CDs with anything
©> i want to on them, (Visual C++, visual basic, java.... which ever language i
©> want). Euphoria is so unknown i cant get it anywhere. i wish it would be a
©> little more popular language. Maybe someday i will register.
I very agree with that. i even can get 20CDs of other programming
languages.
I think euphoria is too expensive, in my country, with $39 I can buy
about 40-80 times my daily food. Discount?
7. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
> You *can* get it for free, try the RDS webpage at
> http://www.rapideuphoria.com/
>
> Kat
full version?
8. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
>From: cense <cense at MAIL.RU>
>This is not a direct attack at you
>koda but please, compare beans with beans.
I don't understand this, "compare beans with beans"?
I am sure Robert Craig deserves that money from registration but i would
feel stupid buying it if i can get others for free.
9. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
On 15 Nov 2000, at 13:07, koda wrote:
> > You *can* get it for free, try the RDS webpage at
> > http://www.rapideuphoria.com/
> >
> > Kat
>
> full version?
Obviously, no, read the page. You get enough to get a taste for the
language and do pretty darned sophisticated hobby coding with it, and if
you plan on making money with it, it's only fair to pay Junko and Robert for
their work on it too. I'll bet that win32lib and the IDE scripts will be (if
they
aren't already) equal to commercial scripts made for other languages. Even
if you argue for a credit account with RDS, it's not economical for them,
considering it's $49, and that's peanuts in the "developed" countries. I
sympathize with you tho, for many years i also spent only $15 a month on
food.
Kat
*******************
On 15 Nov 2000, at 13:14, koda wrote:
> >From: cense <cense at MAIL.RU>
>
> >This is not a direct attack at you
> >koda but please, compare beans with beans.
>
> I don't understand this, "compare beans with beans"?
> I am sure Robert Craig deserves that money from registration but i would
> feel stupid buying it if i can get others for free.
If you don't want the features of the full version of EUPHORIA enough to
pay for it, then don't pay for it. Since i can do things in Eu that i can't in
other languages, i bought it, even tho i am jobless for 15 years and below
the poverty income line in the usa and still have dirt floors in the house. I
plan on making enough money from it to at least pay for itself and give me
a hobby. I can't see Robert giving it away for free right now. Maybe after
Euphoria has paid RDS for itself, maybe, but not till then.
Kat
10. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
- Posted by Tom Eklöf <darkspace at SUNPOINT.NET>
Nov 15, 2000
-
Last edited Nov 16, 2000
>>From: cense <cense at MAIL.RU>
>
>>This is not a direct attack at you
>>koda but please, compare beans with beans.
>
> I don't understand this, "compare beans with beans"?
> I am sure Robert Craig deserves that money from registration but i
> would
> feel stupid buying it if i can get others for free.
>
>
Great ethics you have there skoda. What you're saying is analogous to "wh=
y bother buying a car for a bazillion [insert monetary unit here] when I =
can just steal one from the local parking lot?" You might be getting the =
pirated software "for free," but in reality, you and your kin are costing=
the software industry so much money that one could run a small-ish count=
ry with it. Just because a computer program is less concrete than a car, =
it doesn't mean it's less illegal to steal software.
Try it out at your local (_LEGAL_) software vendor: see a program you lik=
e? Take the box and calmly walk out with it. You can tell the cops that y=
ou're not going to pay for something you can get for free.
I'm sorry for the rant, but I find it irritating that people defend softw=
are piracy. *Nobody* wants to pay for anything, but since we live in a fr=
ee-market capitalist society (most of us, anyhow) it's something we'll ha=
ve to cope with.
There, finished.
Have a nice day.
--Tom
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11. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, <tone.skoda at SIOL.NET> wrote:
> >From: cense <cense at MAIL.RU>
>
> >This is not a direct attack at you
> >koda but please, compare beans with beans.
>
> I don't understand this, "compare beans with beans"?
> I am sure Robert Craig deserves that money from registration but i would
> feel stupid buying it if i can get others for free.
Should I feel stupid for buying food, when I could take it from your table for
free?
That other software, which you can get for "free" - was also written by people
who have to pay rent, buy food, etc. Granted, Microsoft can lose millions of
sales before they decide to give up and go home, while RDS can probably only
afford to lose a few. When it's no longer worth their time to bother
maintaining / improving the software, they'll drop it and move on to something
else that will pay the bills. Who wins then?
Irv
12. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
You pay for what you get, --Euphoria
You get what you pay for. --EUPHORIA
After paying for Euphoria,
I personally, am getting what I payed for..
The benifit of haveing TRACE, BIND, SHROUD, etc
is well worth the $$'s
By the way, could somone let me know how to
wputs text onto a toolbar???
euman at bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Irv" <irv at ELLIJAY.COM>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, <tone.skoda at SIOL.NET> wrote:
> > >From: cense <cense at MAIL.RU>
> >
> > >This is not a direct attack at you
> > >koda but please, compare beans with beans.
> >
> > I don't understand this, "compare beans with beans"?
> > I am sure Robert Craig deserves that money from registration but i would
> > feel stupid buying it if i can get others for free.
>
> Should I feel stupid for buying food, when I could take it from your table
for
> free?
>
> That other software, which you can get for "free" - was also written by
people
> who have to pay rent, buy food, etc. Granted, Microsoft can lose millions
of
> sales before they decide to give up and go home, while RDS can probably
only
> afford to lose a few. When it's no longer worth their time to bother
> maintaining / improving the software, they'll drop it and move on to
something
> else that will pay the bills. Who wins then?
>
> Irv
>
13. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
- Posted by "Fam. Nieuwenhuijsen" <nieuwen at XS4ALL.NL>
Nov 15, 2000
-
Last edited Nov 16, 2000
Wait a minute. Illegal software doesn't cost the industry millions just as
copied music doesn't cost them millions. Why ? Because those who copy Visual
Studio illegal usually never will or can pay for it anyway. This is whole
problem with the Mp3 discussion as well. People listen and download so many
songs, its not fair to say the industry is 'loosing' all that money. People
would never have spent all that money on all that music, because they dont
have that kind of money. In the past, when they couldn't copy it, they were
spending a comparable amount of money on cdees.
The problem lies in the fact that digital products have very little marginal
cost, if you could even speak of marginal costs. All the cost, are the
constant when distributed through internet, napster, cd-roms: i.e. the
number of sales doesn't influence the amount of money the production of the
music (the writing, the recording, the marketing) or software (the writing,
testing, etc.) costs. When you consider that, the current marketform is
simply inappropiate.
Consider a situation where the amount of money we spent on music and
software remains constant. Yet we are free to copy everything. Our welfare
would increase enormously, our production costs would remain constant. If it
desired to move to such a situation. We as a society need to try to achieve
maximum welfare. (esspecially when we can do so, without having to increase
productivity).
But the solutions are difficult. For programming packages, some are even
given away for free to hobbist, and the companies pay the bill. The
companies (which usually will want to get the support as well, and don't
want to take the risk) will use legal version anyway. They don't mind to
support the hobbists, I suppose. Perhaps in the future they can be hired as
new employees.
In music this is a much more difficult situation. One could say that MTV and
radio stations, etc. already provide the 'free' platform of music, but in a
society that is getting more individualistical every day, the default
mediums that serve as these 'free' platforms are loosing in favor of
narrow-casting of the internet. And napster and Mp3 provide just that.
Commercial songs, that are already on the radio, etc. But when you want, and
precizely those that YOU want to hear.
I would say that labes should offer their whole collection for download
through a server (using ads ?) and a fixed monthly fee. They will get the
same amount of money they are getting now, but the welfare of their
customers is much improved and thus is their position on market even
stronger.
A simerlar thing could and should happen for software. A developpers network
which we supply with a monthly fee, which then uses that fee to get special
deals with software suppliers. So we can all download and use those
expensive programs. Like developpers networks, also a gaming network, a
movie network, etc. could be available.
In my humble opinion software and music piracy shouldn't be fought, but it
should be healed & integrated. Solutions should be found, but I guess in
today moralistic world, it easier to point, shoot and execute (f#$ck Bush,
arggg. just a typical dutch frase 
than to solve a problem.
Oh well, I hope any one understood anything of what I just said. Lets just
hope so.
Ralf N.
nieuwen at xs4all.nl
14. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Fam. Nieuwenhuijsen wrote:
>
> Consider a situation where the amount of money we spent on music and
> software remains constant. Yet we are free to copy everything. Our welfare
> would increase enormously, our production costs would remain constant. If it
> desired to move to such a situation. We as a society need to try to achieve
> maximum welfare. (esspecially when we can do so, without having to increase
> productivity).
How would you suggest funding such a plan, Ralf?
Taxes?
I currently spend exactly $0 per year on music.
The family down the street spends exactly $0 on software.
That situation suits us both - they don't use a computer, and I don't
listen to music. Why should the Suarez kids go without something because
I want more software?
Subscriptions?
Maybe, but what's to stop the "subscribers" from sharing with non-subscribers,
until there are only a handful of subscribers supporting the performer (or
programmer).
Do you have a plan that will actually work?
Regards,
Irv
15. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
- Posted by Irv <irv at ELLIJAY.COM>
Nov 15, 2000
-
Last edited Nov 16, 2000
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Fam. Nieuwenhuijsen wrote:
> In my humble opinion software and music piracy shouldn't be fought, but it
> should be healed & integrated. Solutions should be found, but I guess in
> today moralistic world, it easier to point, shoot and execute (f#$ck Bush,
> arggg. just a typical dutch frase than to solve a problem.
Well, I suppose it is terribly wrong for us to take the moralistic view that
the life of an 11-year-old schoolgirl is any more valuable than that of the
grown man who raped and murdered her.
Surely the guy who abducted, raped, and bludgeoned to death that 7-year-old
is just as deserving of our concern as she was.
Shouldn't we feel sorry for the ex-con who stabbed to death a 22-year-old woman
after having been released only 3 months earlier from a 5 year sentence on a
previous rape charge?
We should really feel sorry for the guy who shot and killed the liquor store
owner, because he seems to be such a slow learner. After all, he had already
served 9 years for burglary and assault, 5 years for theft, and 8 years for
murder and assault.
How about the parolee who abducted and killed a 20-year-old man
in order to get his VCR? This parolee had already served 5 years for
auto theft and another 2 year term for burglary of a motor vehicle.
We surely shouldn't judge the guy who killed a 50-year-old female
clerk at a dry-cleaners. She chose to work for a living, he chose to kill.
How about the 20-year-old roofer who abducted and killed a 13-year-old girl
and a 14-year-old boy? Wouldn't it be better to just put him in jail for a few
years, where he could learn some skill, such as how to kill 4 at a time?
Ralf, I have a deal for you:
You bring back that 7-year-old girl, and I'll agree that those 9 (and I use the
word loosly) "men" should avoid the death penalty. Or are is it only the
criminals who "deserve" to live?
Regards,
Irv
16. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
euman,
well, no, but you could put a label in the tool bar and setText to it, that
works, tho wPuts doesn't.
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Euman" <euman at BELLSOUTH.NET>
<snip>
By the way, could somone let me know how to
> wputs text onto a toolbar???
>
> euman at bellsouth.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Irv" <irv at ELLIJAY.COM>
> To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
>
>
> > On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, <tone.skoda at SIOL.NET> wrote:
> > > >From: cense <cense at MAIL.RU>
> > >
> > > >This is not a direct attack at you
> > > >koda but please, compare beans with beans.
> > >
> > > I don't understand this, "compare beans with beans"?
> > > I am sure Robert Craig deserves that money from registration but i
would
> > > feel stupid buying it if i can get others for free.
> >
> > Should I feel stupid for buying food, when I could take it from your
table
> for
> > free?
> >
> > That other software, which you can get for "free" - was also written by
> people
> > who have to pay rent, buy food, etc. Granted, Microsoft can lose
millions
> of
> > sales before they decide to give up and go home, while RDS can probably
> only
> > afford to lose a few. When it's no longer worth their time to bother
> > maintaining / improving the software, they'll drop it and move on to
> something
> > else that will pay the bills. Who wins then?
> >
> > Irv
> >
17. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
- Posted by Aku <aku at inbox.as>
Nov 16, 2000
>>> That's a lot of money for me. For that money i can get 10 CDs with anything
>>> i
>>> want to on them, (Visual C++, visual basic, java.... which ever language i
>>> want). Euphoria is so unknown i cant get it anywhere. i wish it would be a
>>> little more popular language. Maybe someday i will register.
c> So basically you are saying you can buy illegal versions of software for
c> cheaper than you can get legal software? This is not a direct attack at you
c> koda but please, compare beans with beans.
How about free programming software in CDs? ......
18. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
- Posted by simulat <simulat at INTERGATE.CA>
Nov 15, 2000
-
Last edited Nov 16, 2000
Gee Irv
Ralf posts a piece suggesting that maybe the kind of market we have for
software and music isn't such a good idea. I think he's right. No big deal.
But where do you get all this stuff about letting murderers go free? Are you
saying there is no grey area? That there's no room for discussion or
disagreement? Just black and white - good and bad. If you use software that
you haven't paid for you're as bad as a murderer?
Seems a little off balance to me - but maybe I missed something.
Bye
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: Irv <irv at ELLIJAY.COM>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Fam. Nieuwenhuijsen wrote:
>
> > In my humble opinion software and music piracy shouldn't be fought, but
it
> > should be healed & integrated. Solutions should be found, but I guess in
> > today moralistic world, it easier to point, shoot and execute (f#$ck
Bush,
> > arggg. just a typical dutch frase than to solve a problem.
>
> Well, I suppose it is terribly wrong for us to take the moralistic view
that
> the life of an 11-year-old schoolgirl is any more valuable than that of
the
> grown man who raped and murdered her.
>
> Surely the guy who abducted, raped, and bludgeoned to death that
7-year-old
> is just as deserving of our concern as she was.
>
> Shouldn't we feel sorry for the ex-con who stabbed to death a 22-year-old
woman
> after having been released only 3 months earlier from a 5 year sentence
on a
> previous rape charge?
>
> We should really feel sorry for the guy who shot and killed the liquor
store
> owner, because he seems to be such a slow learner. After all, he had
already
> served 9 years for burglary and assault, 5 years for theft, and 8 years
for
> murder and assault.
>
> How about the parolee who abducted and killed a 20-year-old man
> in order to get his VCR? This parolee had already served 5 years for
> auto theft and another 2 year term for burglary of a motor vehicle.
>
> We surely shouldn't judge the guy who killed a 50-year-old female
> clerk at a dry-cleaners. She chose to work for a living, he chose to kill.
>
> How about the 20-year-old roofer who abducted and killed a 13-year-old
girl
> and a 14-year-old boy? Wouldn't it be better to just put him in jail for
a few
> years, where he could learn some skill, such as how to kill 4 at a time?
>
> Ralf, I have a deal for you:
> You bring back that 7-year-old girl, and I'll agree that those 9 (and I
use the
> word loosly) "men" should avoid the death penalty. Or are is it only the
> criminals who "deserve" to live?
>
> Regards,
> Irv
>
19. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
- Posted by Red Knight <pampeano at ROCKETMAIL.COM>
Nov 15, 2000
-
Last edited Nov 16, 2000
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20. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, simulat wrote:
> Gee Irv
> Ralf posts a piece suggesting that maybe the kind of market we have for
> software and music isn't such a good idea. I think he's right. No big deal.
>
> But where do you get all this stuff about letting murderers go free? Are you
> saying there is no grey area? That there's no room for discussion or
> disagreement? Just black and white - good and bad. If you use software that
> you haven't paid for you're as bad as a murderer?
>
> Seems a little off balance to me - but maybe I missed something.
Yes, Martin, you did miss something - Ralf's comment "but I guess in today
moralistic world, it easier to point, shoot and execute (f#$ck Bush, > arggg.
just a typical dutch frase than to solve a problem."
If it's "moralistic" to want your kids to grow up in safety, if it's
"moralistic" to think that a young man shouldn't die because someone
wanted a "free" VCR, or if it's "moralistic" to think that people shouldn't
steal months or years of some programmer's time because they wanted
"free" software, then I guess I'm "moralistic".
When it comes to "solving the problem", I suppose it would be possible to
provide free software and music for everyone, by publicly funding it.
Only a few kids would go hungry to pay the taxes. Free VCR's would be
a bit more costly. I'm not sure how we could extend this "solution" in order
to satisfy the desires of the homicidal among us.
Regards,
Irv
21. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
Ralf,
I understood what you said.
eMusic.com has a deal just like the one you describe. Pay $9.95 per month
and download all the music you want from a selection of over 125,000 albums,
not ALL commercial in nature. My wife and I are currently happily taking
advantage of this, as a partial alternative to buying CDs.
Your idea of applying this concept to the software industry is interesting,
and I'd like to see software companies take a close look at it.
Yes, there are (at least) two approaches to dealing with prostitution,
murder, piracy, drug trafficking, and other anti-social crimes or ills. One
is to treat them as crimes and try to "stone" them virtually out of
existence -- the "Old Testament" approach, which CAN work, but most of us
today don't want to live in the kind of society that can make it work. The
other is the more-practical-less-moralistically-minded attempt to "legalize
but regulate", which is more typically European than American.
(I added murder to the list to help maintain perspective. Should murder be
legalized but regulated???)
Regarding software, and looking strictly at the RESULTS, I think I'd like
the solution you propose.
George Henry
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22. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
>>But where do you get all this stuff about letting murderers go free? Are
>>you saying there is no grey area? That there's no room for discussion or
>>disagreement? Just black and white - good and bad. If you use software
>>that you haven't paid for you're as bad as a murderer?
I know this is a serious discussion that has moved away from software, but I
am moved to inject something in a *lightheartedly*-serious vein:
Possibly helpful suggestions: Check out the "fuzzy logic" library on the RDS
Web site. Better yet, "Fuzzy Thinking" by Bart Kosko is a GREAT read. It
helps move us away from binary thinking.
George
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23. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
>From: Tom Ekl=F6f <darkspace at SUNPOINT.NET>
> I'm sorry for the rant, but I find it irritating that people defend
software piracy.
Maybe when i'll be selling my software i'll change my mind. :)
24. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
> From: Of Aku
> I very agree with that. i even can get 20CDs of other programming
> languages.
>
> I think euphoria is too expensive, in my country, with $39 I can buy
> about 40-80 times my daily food. Discount?
Don't know which country you're from (.as ?), but having a pipeline for
pirated software doesn't give you any bargaining power.
MS suggests $549 for Visual C++ (that's what they sell it for on their web
page). I got a copy of the entire Visual Studio (VC++, VB, VJ++, VFoxPro,
VInterDev) for about $50. But it was entirely legal. My school is part of
MS's education program, where students and faculty can get personal licenses
of various software for very cheap.
Maybe if you found some sort of tie in of your own, like getting your school
to teach Eu, and could commit to getting x licenses purchased, you could
work out something similar with Rob. This way everyone wins. Eu gets wider
exposure through being taught at school, Rob gets more money, and you can
get your discount on the software. It's unfortunate that you can't afford
the $39, but it's still really cheap. You probably can't afford a car,
either (at least around here, they go for a lot more than $39), but you
probably don't expect some huge discount from your local car dealer (normal
haggling excluded). You're probably also not getting one for cheap at the
local parking lot, like you claim to be doing with software.
Bragging about software piracy to a group of programmers (especially where
there are some who make a living out of programming) is not going to win
many friends. Also, don't forget the Euphoria MicroEconomy. Write some
good code, and you can earn credits toward registering Eu.
Matt Lewis
http://www.realftp.com/matthewlewis
25. Re: (Re: For Robert Craig) stop whining
- Posted by Aku <aku at inbox.as>
Nov 17, 2000
-
Last edited Nov 18, 2000
>> From: Of Aku
>> I very agree with that. i even can get 20CDs of other programming
>> languages.
>>
>> I think euphoria is too expensive, in my country, with $39 I can buy
>> about 40-80 times my daily food. Discount?
M> Don't know which country you're from (.as ?), but having a pipeline for
M> pirated software doesn't give you any bargaining power.
I am from Indonesia. I dont know if there are other persons in
indonesia use euphoria?
