1. Archive
We made a few improvements today to the file archive.
http://www.rapideuphoria.com/archive.htm
1. Files listed in the Recent User Contributions page will
now also appear immediately in the appropriate archive
category. (suggested by Pete Lomax).
The way it worked before, if someone was browsing a
particular archive category, they would not see any new
files for that category that had been uploaded/updated in the
past 4 or 5 months.
2. Three new categories have been created:
* Language Tools (compilers, interpreters, preprocessors, translators etc.)
* Sound (sound effects, music etc.)
* Top 100
Top 100 shows the top 100 files, across all categories,
in terms of MicroEconomy. This might help new people
become aware of the most useful files a bit sooner.
A file can be simultaneously listed in Recent User, Top 100,
and a particular category, if all three apply.
Regards,
Rob Craig
Rapid Deployment Software
http://www.RapidEuphoria.com
2. Re: Archive
Robert Craig wrote:
>
> We made a few improvements today to the file archive.
>
> <a
> href="http://www.rapideuphoria.com/archive.htm">http://www.rapideuphoria.com/archive.htm</a>
>
> 1. Files listed in the Recent User Contributions page will
> now also appear immediately in the appropriate archive
> category. (suggested by Pete Lomax).
>
> The way it worked before, if someone was browsing a
> particular archive category, they would not see any new
> files for that category that had been uploaded/updated in the
> past 4 or 5 months.
>
> 2. Three new categories have been created:
> * Language Tools (compilers, interpreters, preprocessors, translators
> etc.)
> * Sound (sound effects, music etc.)
> * Top 100
>
> Top 100 shows the top 100 files, across all categories,
> in terms of MicroEconomy. This might help new people
> become aware of the most useful files a bit sooner.
>
> A file can be simultaneously listed in Recent User, Top 100,
> and a particular category, if all three apply.
>
> Regards,
> Rob Craig
> Rapid Deployment Software
> <a href="http://www.RapidEuphoria.com">http://www.RapidEuphoria.com</a>
NICE!!!!
What a great update! Thanks Robert!
Cheers,
Vincent
3. Re: Archive
Hey, I found there lots of resources hidden waiting for me!
JG
4. Re: Archive
Robert Craig wrote:
>
> We made a few improvements today to the file archive.
>
> <a
> href="http://www.rapideuphoria.com/archive.htm">http://www.rapideuphoria.com/archive.htm</a>
>
> 1. Files listed in the Recent User Contributions page will
> now also appear immediately in the appropriate archive
> category. (suggested by Pete Lomax).
Ok, may I suggest some simple things from a point of view of the most
experienced foreign user and maintainer of the Russian section of RDS
archive? 
The above news is very good, but the *recent* Elektrostatic file is now
hidden in the Sound category between more or less *happy* files.
So, do not sort, please, files inside a category by happy and add the
very recent one to the end of a file.
Then the files will go from the very *first* one to the very *recent* one.
Make several files inside a category, short enough, say 40 or 50 items,
and give them a 'next' link to the next file of given category.
Make a 'recent' mark near the recent item in the recent file, then links
from the Archive page will be, say, win_O5.htm#recent.
Make a 'top' mark in the end of archive files.
This way you do not need *rearrange* all items in all archive files with
every new happy file, you just add a sum and icon to given item inside
given file.
And you can see the very first contributor in every category
without searching for him.
> The way it worked before, if someone was browsing a
> particular archive category, they would not see any new
> files for that category that had been uploaded/updated in the
> past 4 or 5 months.
Yes, it is true, the new order is much better than the old one,
but consider please the above suggestions. They let you make
the archive with more stable structure which is much more
convenient for translation to other languages and for synchrone
maintaining.
And it is more convenient for the readers of Archive - they do not
need reread familiar files to search for news.
> 2. Three new categories have been created:
> * Language Tools (compilers, interpreters, preprocessors, translators
> etc.)
> * Sound (sound effects, music etc.)
> * Top 100
>
> Top 100 shows the top 100 files, across all categories,
> in terms of MicroEconomy. This might help new people
> become aware of the most useful files a bit sooner.
Ok, very good, but what about not only 100 top, but about
all at all happy? And category not 'Top 100', but 'Happy'?
Then we can see not only old happy, but recent happy too,
and in same dedicated category!!! :) :) :)
> A file can be simultaneously listed in Recent User, Top 100,
> and a particular category, if all three apply.
Ok, and a more difficult suggestion for future, about sorting
by fields in categories.
Good Luck with 3.0!
Happy New Year to all!
Regards,
Igor Kachan
kinz at peterlink.ru
5. Re: Archive
Igor Kachan wrote:
>
>
> The above news is very good, but the *recent* Elektrostatic file is now
> hidden in the Sound category between more or less *happy* files.
> So, do not sort, please, files inside a category by happy and add the
> very recent one to the end of a file.
> Then the files will go from the very *first* one to the very *recent* one.
<snip>
>
> Ok, and a more difficult suggestion for future, about sorting
> by fields in categories.
>
I like the current sorting. It makes sense to me, however, Igor has a
good point here, that it would be nice to be able to sort on any field.
Matt Lewis
6. Re: Archive
Igor Kachan wrote:
>
> Robert Craig wrote:
>
> >
> > We made a few improvements today to the file archive.
> >
> > <a
> > href="http://www.rapideuphoria.com/archive.htm">http://www.rapideuphoria.com/archive.htm</a>
> >
> > 1. Files listed in the Recent User Contributions page will
> > now also appear immediately in the appropriate archive
> > category. (suggested by Pete Lomax).
>
> Ok, may I suggest some simple things from a point of view of the most
> experienced foreign user and maintainer of the Russian section of RDS
> archive?
Yes, and thanks a lot for maintaining the Russian section!
> The above news is very good, but the *recent* Elektrostatic file is now
> hidden in the Sound category between more or less *happy* files.
> So, do not sort, please, files inside a category by happy and add the
> very recent one to the end of a file.
> Then the files will go from the very *first* one to the very *recent* one.
I have a program that reads the archive database, archive.edb,
and automatically generates all the pages on the Web site
that contain file descriptions, even the main page (recent 6).
For most categories, things are sorted primarily by MicroEconomy
dollars, but where the MicroEconomy is equal, the sorting is
by date. That's why you see a whole bunch of items at the end
of each page with no MicroEconomy, but sorted by date.
Recent User Contributions is different. It is sorted
primarily by date. Where the dates are the same, the sort
is by "new contribution" first, followed by "updated contribution".
And if those are the same, then MicroEconomy decides it.
> Make several files inside a category, short enough, say 40 or 50 items,
> and give them a 'next' link to the next file of given category.
I realize that many of the categories have grown very large.
I used to get complaints about slow page loading times,
but not lately. A much higher pecentage of people now have
high-speed Internet compared to a few years ago.
I should add some new categories.
Any ideas?
> Make a 'recent' mark near the recent item in the recent file, then links
> from the Archive page will be, say, win_O5.htm#recent.
>
> Make a 'top' mark in the end of archive files.
>
> This way you do not need *rearrange* all items in all archive files with
> every new happy file, you just add a sum and icon to given item inside
> given file.
>
> And you can see the very first contributor in every category
> without searching for him.
I'll give this some thought. Thanks.
(but I really should get on with multitasking )
> > The way it worked before, if someone was browsing a
> > particular archive category, they would not see any new
> > files for that category that had been uploaded/updated in the
> > past 4 or 5 months.
>
> Yes, it is true, the new order is much better than the old one,
> but consider please the above suggestions. They let you make
> the archive with more stable structure which is much more
> convenient for translation to other languages and for synchrone
> maintaining.
>
> And it is more convenient for the readers of Archive - they do not
> need reread familiar files to search for news.
>
> > 2. Three new categories have been created:
> > * Language Tools (compilers, interpreters, preprocessors, translators
> > etc.)
> > * Sound (sound effects, music etc.)
> > * Top 100
> >
> > Top 100 shows the top 100 files, across all categories,
> > in terms of MicroEconomy. This might help new people
> > become aware of the most useful files a bit sooner.
>
> Ok, very good, but what about not only 100 top, but about
> all at all happy? And category not 'Top 100', but 'Happy'?
I don't want the page size to be too big.
"Top 100" sounds good.
> Then we can see not only old happy, but recent happy too,
> and in same dedicated category!!! :) :) :)
>
> > A file can be simultaneously listed in Recent User, Top 100,
> > and a particular category, if all three apply.
>
> Ok, and a more difficult suggestion for future, about sorting
> by fields in categories.
Maybe someday...
Thanks,
Rob Craig
Rapid Deployment Software
http://www.RapidEuphoria.com
7. Re: Archive
Robert Craig wrote:
> I don't want the page size to be too big.
> "Top 100" sounds good.
One thing you could do to make the page size a lot smaller, is by
taking advantage of CSS. In your current design, the colors and fonts
are defined for EACH entry in the list. If you put those definitions
in a separate CSS-file, you can make the page(s) smaller and faster.
Another thing that might make the pages a lot smaller is to compress
them using GZIP, if the user's browser supports GZIP, and most browsers
these days do.
--
The Internet combines the excitement of typing
with the reliability of anonymous hearsay.
tommy online: http://users.telenet.be/tommycarlier
tommy.blog: http://tommycarlier.blogspot.com
8. Re: Archive
Robert Craig wrote:
[snip]
> Igor Kachan wrote:
> > The above news is very good, but the *recent* Elektrostatic file is now
> > hidden in the Sound category between more or less *happy* files.
> > So, do not sort, please, files inside a category by happy and add the
> > very recent one to the end of a file.
> > Then the files will go from the very *first* one to the very *recent* one.
>
> I have a program that reads the archive database, archive.edb,
> and automatically generates all the pages on the Web site
> that contain file descriptions, even the main page (recent 6).
Ok, is this program strongly private or you can share it, say,
on your contrib page or rds page? It is very interesting program
anyway, along with your tools for work on archive.edb.
> For most categories, things are sorted primarily by MicroEconomy
> dollars, but where the MicroEconomy is equal, the sorting is
> by date. That's why you see a whole bunch of items at the end
> of each page with no MicroEconomy, but sorted by date.
So, there is some combined sorting by MicroEconomy and by date,
and dates go from recent to first, from the middle of a page to the
end of a page.
Yes, and now the *resent*, i.e. most interesting, description of
esl0.01.zip file sits after the old happies and is hidden from the
reader of lib.htm file anyway. Anyway your visitor has to go to
the home page for recent news and then search for new description
in lib.htm, maybe, if he wants to check if category is properly
stated - some files may be related to many categories just by taste.
> Recent User Contributions is different. It is sorted
> primarily by date. Where the dates are the same, the sort
> is by "new contribution" first, followed by "updated contribution".
> And if those are the same, then MicroEconomy decides it.
So, this sorting by date is almost the same as on archive pages,
i.e. from resent to first, but MicroEconomy has here some minor
role too.
Good, but now we have the separate dedicated category for
MicroEconomy, and those total combined sorting order by ME and
date which hides new items on other category pages anyway.
But, with new category Top 100, we can have Recent page, sorted
strongly by date from recent to first. We can have category pages,
sorted strongly by date from first to recent, so news will not be
hidden. And we already have Top 100 category, which may have combined
sorting by dollars plus by date, if dollars are equal.
> > Make several files inside a category, short enough, say 40 or 50 items,
> > and give them a 'next' link to the next file of given category.
>
> I realize that many of the categories have grown very large.
> I used to get complaints about slow page loading times,
> but not lately. A much higher pecentage of people now have
> high-speed Internet compared to a few years ago.
Who knows, maybe they just do not want complain anymore?
I'm sitting on dial-up 33.6, 12 hours per month at home,
and it is not too bad here, in St.Petersburg, Russia.
You can get ADSL 64 or 128 here, if your phone line is good
enough, but it is very new and not very cheap thing now.
> I should add some new categories.
> Any ideas?
This question is very complicated, your new and old categories are
very good, do you remember we discussed this question years ago?
No, I have not a new good idea about categories.
Maybe, some files need to be rerelated to other, but existent,
category, but it is not some urgent work, I think.
An archive must have some stable constant structure, I just use
some convenient moment to say about some new things just about
current sorting on existent and new pages.
[snip]
> > Ok, and a more difficult suggestion for future, about sorting
> > by fields in categories.
>
> Maybe someday...
Ok, but you can just make now this sorting different on different pages,
say, on recent and home pages - by date from recent to first, on category
pages - by date from first to recent, and on Top 100 page - by dollars
plus by date. Then anyone can ask you for sorting by author's name
(you do have it in search already), by platform (you do have it in search
already), by size of a file (who needs? I do not need anyway) and ... by
... what else? ... it seems to be nothing.
All at all are sorted on almost any taste. Plus your tools for work
with archive.edb - say, for the Archive translators into other langs.
Yes, the current old good sorting has its good sides and makes sense
for some people, I agreed with Matt, but, I think, it is not very
convenient for more deep and special work with archive, say, you can not
now just visit lib.htm page once per week just to see and d/l some new
or updated libraries without rebrowsing the whole lib.htm page, which
is like to a little book now. The recently updated *rich* libs will be
here, at the end of a file, automatically, to be under attention as
*new & happy* and become more rich.
Well, think Rob, maybe these suggestions are not that bad.
Good Luck!
Regards,
Igor Kachan
kinz at peterlink.ru
9. Re: Archive
Igor Kachan wrote:
> Robert Craig wrote:
> > Igor Kachan wrote:
> > > The above news is very good, but the *recent* Elektrostatic file is now
> > > hidden in the Sound category between more or less *happy* files.
> > > So, do not sort, please, files inside a category by happy and add the
> > > very recent one to the end of a file.
> > > Then the files will go from the very *first* one to the very *recent* one.
> >
> > I have a program that reads the archive database, archive.edb,
> > and automatically generates all the pages on the Web site
> > that contain file descriptions, even the main page (recent 6).
>
> Ok, is this program strongly private or you can share it, say,
> on your contrib page or rds page? It is very interesting program
> anyway, along with your tools for work on archive.edb.
I've just uploaded edbtohtm.exu to Recent User Contributions.
Junko did most of the work on it. We run it on FreeBSD, but
you should be able to run it using ex, exw etc. It will create
about 20 HTML files in the current directory. It also creates
the RSS feed. Maybe you can somehow modify it for use with the
Russian site.
I'd give you the file submission program too, but it has password
and other information in it, that hackers might exploit if it
leaked out.
Regards,
Rob Craig
Rapid Deployment Software
http://www.RapidEuphoria.com
10. Re: Archive
Robert Craig wrote:
[snip]
> > > I have a program that reads the archive database, archive.edb,
> > > and automatically generates all the pages on the Web site
> > > that contain file descriptions, even the main page (recent 6).
> >
> > Ok, is this program strongly private or you can share it, say,
> > on your contrib page or rds page? It is very interesting program
> > anyway, along with your tools for work on archive.edb.
>
> I've just uploaded edbtohtm.exu to Recent User Contributions.
> Junko did most of the work on it. We run it on FreeBSD, but
> you should be able to run it using ex, exw etc. It will create
> about 20 HTML files in the current directory. It also creates
> the RSS feed. Maybe you can somehow modify it for use with the
> Russian site.
Many thanks Rob and Junko, I'll try your program carefully,
it seems to be very useful for my work.
> I'd give you the file submission program too, but it has password
> and other information in it, that hackers might exploit if it
> leaked out.
Thanks, it is an extra stuff for any incidental eye, and I do not
need it.
I have downloaded edbtohtm just now - Rapid Euphoria does work!
Regards,
Igor Kachan
kinz at peterlink.ru
11. Re: Archive
Robert Craig wrote:
> We made a few improvements today to the file archive.
>
> <a
> href="http://www.rapideuphoria.com/archive.htm">http://www.rapideuphoria.com/archive.htm</a>
>
> 1. Files listed in the Recent User Contributions page will
> now also appear immediately in the appropriate archive
> category. (suggested by Pete Lomax).
>
> The way it worked before, if someone was browsing a
> particular archive category, they would not see any new
> files for that category that had been uploaded/updated in the
> past 4 or 5 months.
>
> 2. Three new categories have been created:
> * Language Tools (compilers, interpreters, preprocessors, translators
> etc.)
> * Sound (sound effects, music etc.)
> * Top 100
>
> Top 100 shows the top 100 files, across all categories,
> in terms of MicroEconomy. This might help new people
> become aware of the most useful files a bit sooner.
I think this is a good idea. I was curious about the _distribution_ of
the micro $ among the top 100 files, so I made a bar chart, see:
http://home.arcor.de/luethje/temp/eutop100.pdf
In case someone wants to play with it, the OpenOffice.org 2.0 source file
is here:
http://home.arcor.de/luethje/temp/eutop100.odp
> A file can be simultaneously listed in Recent User, Top 100,
> and a particular category, if all three apply.
Regards,
Juergen
