1. RE: Are you the right programmer?
For me, it is not crystal clear what you want to be done.
However, maybe you can get a bit of inspiration in my similarity routine I
sent to the archives a while ago. This routine computes a similarity
coefficient between two character strings.
If you can adapt your data to this scheme, the routine is easily modifyable
to handle it.
However, as some other members of the group, I see that how to get the data
is the major problem.
Regards.
----- Original Message -----
From: CoolStuff-USA <guest at RapidEuphoria.com>
To: <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 7:30 PM
Subject: Are you the right programmer?
>
>
> posted by: CoolStuff-USA <becool at coolstuff-usa.com>
>
> I need a technology and/or someone who can help me implement my solution
> vision:
>
> - Allow someone to identify their preferences
> - Based on specific subject content preferences, serve up the best fit
> - Assumes an AI or Matching engine
> - .ASP web based solution
>
> For example, I want to buy or catch a pet butterfly. My problems are that
I do
> not know what all the butterfly's are in the world. I do know that I like
certain
> colors and may also have certain constraints at my house and in my yard.
> I want to be guided through an identification of my preferences, then be
presented
> only with a small sub-list of only the top matching butterflies.
>
> Is this something you can help with? If not, can you point me in the
right direction
> to others?
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
2. RE: Are you the right programmer?
Hey, Kat.
What on earth is a NDA? And why are you assuming this guy is asking you (or
somebody else) to sign it?
----- Original Message -----
From: Kat <gertie at visionsix.com>
To: <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Are you the right programmer?
>
>
> On 2 Sep 2004, at 15:30, CoolStuff-USA wrote:
>
> >
> > posted by: CoolStuff-USA <becool at coolstuff-usa.com>
> >
> > I need a technology and/or someone who can help me implement my solution
> > vision:
> >
> > - Allow someone to identify their preferences
> > - Based on specific subject content preferences, serve up the best fit
> > - Assumes an AI or Matching engine
> > - .ASP web based solution
> >
> > For example, I want to buy or catch a pet butterfly. My problems are
that I do
> > not know what all the butterfly's are in the world. I do know that I
like
> > certain colors and may also have certain constraints at my house and in
my yard.
> > I want to be guided through an identification of my preferences, then
be
> > presented only with a small sub-list of only the top matching
butterflies.
> >
> > Is this something you can help with? If not, can you point me in the
right
> > direction to others?
>
> Sure, that's do-able.
>
> My first question is: why would you want me to sign a NDA to get that
info,
> when you would post it here without the NDA?
>
> Kat
>
>
>
>
3. RE: Are you the right programmer?
On 3 Sep 2004, at 0:34, Ricardo Forno wrote:
>
>
> Hey, Kat.
> What on earth is a NDA? And why are you assuming this guy is asking you (or
> somebody else) to sign it?
NDA = Non-Disclosure Agreement
Because he said i had to sign it before he could tell me anything about the
task. And sent it to me. And said i had to fax it or snailmail it to him.
So keep calling me paranoid.
Kat
----- Original Message ----- From: Kat
> <gertie at visionsix.com> To: <EUforum at topica.com> Sent: Thursday,
> September 02,
> 2004 8:16 PM Subject: Re: Are you the right programmer?
>
>
> > On 2 Sep 2004, at 15:30, CoolStuff-USA wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > posted by: CoolStuff-USA <becool at coolstuff-usa.com>
> > >
> > > I need a technology and/or someone who can help me implement my solution
> > > vision:
> > >
> > > - Allow someone to identify their preferences
> > > - Based on specific subject content preferences, serve up the best fit
> > > - Assumes an AI or Matching engine
> > > - .ASP web based solution
> > >
> > > For example, I want to buy or catch a pet butterfly. My problems are
> that I do
> > > not know what all the butterfly's are in the world. I do know that I
> like
> > > certain colors and may also have certain constraints at my house and in
> my yard.
> > > I want to be guided through an identification of my preferences, then
> be
> > > presented only with a small sub-list of only the top matching
> butterflies.
> > >
> > > Is this something you can help with? If not, can you point me in the
> right
> > > direction to others?
> >
> > Sure, that's do-able.
> >
> > My first question is: why would you want me to sign a NDA to get that
> info,
> > when you would post it here without the NDA?
> >
> > Kat
> >
> >
>
>
>
4. RE: Are you the right programmer?
Kat wrote:
>
> On 3 Sep 2004, at 0:34, Ricardo Forno wrote:
>
> > Hey, Kat.
> > What on earth is a NDA? And why are you assuming this guy is asking you (or
> > somebody else) to sign it?
>
> NDA = Non-Disclosure Agreement
>
> Because he said i had to sign it before he could tell me anything about the
> task. And sent it to me. And said i had to fax it or snailmail it to him.
>
> So keep calling me paranoid.
>
> Kat
>
I guess that all depends on what, exactly, the NDA says. An NDA should
be negotiable, to a certain extent, to the point where profits outweigh
the terms.
Of course, if "CoolStuff-USA" mentioned an NDA with the request they'd
likely get fewer 'bites' from people with your skills in such matters.
You also replied to irv with: "And i am looking for such a sponsor as this,
but he just gave you all the data he wouldn't give me about the project."
Are you suggesting he just gave irv the data *without* an NDA?
-- Brian
5. RE: Are you the right programmer?
Brian Broker wrote:
>
> You also replied to irv with: "And i am looking for such a sponsor as this,
> but he just gave you all the data he wouldn't give me about the project."
> Are you suggesting he just gave irv the data *without* an NDA?
"CoolStuff" apparently gave all of us on this list the 'data', such as it
was: just an example of one seemingly simple decision to be made.
I believe it was a contrived example; perhaps to avoid revealing
the actual idea, which he seems to think is original and has value.
Note here: "intelligent systems" have already been invented. Patented, too,
most likely. They are used in medical diagnosis, for example.
We know that far too many people have unrealistic ideas of what a computer
can do. Perhaps CoolStuff is one of those people. Perhaps not. He (or she)
has not been forthcoming enough to make that determination. From what
we know, we can guess that this idea lies somewhere between the
8-ball* decision making toy (which is probably patented) and real
"intelligent systems" which are also probably patented (and horribly
expensive).
Given the depth of information available to us, we might as well give a
quote for the programming task: $35 for something similar to the 8-ball,
$35 million (and up) for something at the other end of the scale.
*Note: A computer program even simpler than the 'executive 8-ball'
would tend to make better decisions than the average Harvard MBA*,
so perhaps this is indeed a product with a great future.
*Note 2: Computers (and 8-balls) pay no attention to anyone from
the Marketing dept, so they already have a significant advantage.
Irv
6. RE: Are you the right programmer?
On 3 Sep 2004, at 0:00, Brian Broker wrote:
>
>
> posted by: Brian Broker <bkb at cnw.com>
>
> Kat wrote:
> >
> > On 3 Sep 2004, at 0:34, Ricardo Forno wrote:
> >
> > > Hey, Kat.
> > > What on earth is a NDA? And why are you assuming this guy is asking you
> > > (or
> > > somebody else) to sign it?
> >
> > NDA = Non-Disclosure Agreement
> >
> > Because he said i had to sign it before he could tell me anything about the
> > task. And sent it to me. And said i had to fax it or snailmail it to him.
> >
> > So keep calling me paranoid.
> >
> > Kat
> >
>
> I guess that all depends on what, exactly, the NDA says. An NDA should
> be negotiable, to a certain extent, to the point where profits outweigh
> the terms.
>
> Of course, if "CoolStuff-USA" mentioned an NDA with the request they'd
> likely get fewer 'bites' from people with your skills in such matters.
The NDA he presented is decidedly lopsided in his favor, but he did say he is
open to a more balanced one. Problem here is most lawyers have proven to
me they'd rather shoot themselves in both feet than give me good advice.
> You also replied to irv with: "And i am looking for such a sponsor as this,
> but
> he just gave you all the data he wouldn't give me about the project." Are you
> suggesting he just gave irv the data *without* an NDA?
He gave Irv a *much much* clearer example of the process he wanted. One
that is close to a rough program already in the archives that no one has
mentioned yet. It's not Ai, but it is a basic "decisioning" (expert) program
(with no data, no way to save it, import it, no correction, no comparisons, no
etc).
Kat
7. RE: Are you the right programmer?
On 3 Sep 2004, at 5:40, irv mullins wrote:
>
>
> posted by: irv mullins <irvm at ellijay.com>
>
> Brian Broker wrote:
> >
> > You also replied to irv with: "And i am looking for such a sponsor as this,
> > but he just gave you all the data he wouldn't give me about the project."
> > Are
> > you suggesting he just gave irv the data *without* an NDA?
>
> "CoolStuff" apparently gave all of us on this list the 'data', such as it
> was: just an example of one seemingly simple decision to be made.
> I believe it was a contrived example; perhaps to avoid revealing
> the actual idea, which he seems to think is original and has value.
>
> Note here: "intelligent systems" have already been invented. Patented, too,
> most
> likely. They are used in medical diagnosis, for example.
>
> We know that far too many people have unrealistic ideas of what a computer can
> do. Perhaps CoolStuff is one of those people. Perhaps not. He (or she) has not
> been forthcoming enough to make that determination. From what we know, we can
> guess that this idea lies somewhere between the 8-ball* decision making toy
> (which is probably patented) and real "intelligent systems" which are also
> probably patented (and horribly expensive).
>
> Given the depth of information available to us, we might as well give a
> quote for the programming task: $35 for something similar to the 8-ball,
> $35 million (and up) for something at the other end of the scale.
Yes, Lenat was working on Cyc prototypes back in the 1970's, add in
$millions and !00's of people, and he still has limited success. After
peeking
at some of the code Cyc runs, i can see why.
> *Note: A computer program even simpler than the 'executive 8-ball'
> would tend to make better decisions than the average Harvard MBA*,
> so perhaps this is indeed a product with a great future.
>
> *Note 2: Computers (and 8-balls) pay no attention to anyone from
> the Marketing dept, so they already have a significant advantage.
And most people seem to prefer a chatbot, a souped up Eliza box, with no
intelligence at all. They have an aversion to expert systems for the
most part.
They seem to accept data checkers, however.
Interfacing to humans is also a huge problem. For example, what is the
correct answer to "tiggr, Chattanooga TN" ? That umm,,, question(?) was
*after* i repeatedly said on this list that Tiggr's geographic
location data was
not connected to irc, but i *could* connect it. But one could guess the
questioner wanted all data, or an unknown item of data, so Tiggr did the
intelligent thing and ignored it entirely. There was one poor fellow who
repeatedly asked for info on "Zues", which Tiggr narrowed down to
"Zu", and
told him about. She did hit on an know about "Zeus", but that's not
what the
guy asked about, was it? And irc is a wonderland of typos, and i don't
have
the computer power needed to spell check everyone, my main box is
200mhz.
The Loebner competition has been repeatedly won by chatbots that pretty
much echoed canned replies, and had no intelligence whatsoever. It's what
the masses seem to want. A souped up Elizabot. I don't do that.
Kat
8. RE: Are you the right programmer?
Thanks to you for using it...
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Welch <euphoria at welchaviation.org>
To: <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: Are you the right programmer?
>
>
> Ricardo Forno wrote:
>
> > However, maybe you can get a bit of inspiration in my similarity routine
I
> > sent to the archives a while ago. This routine computes a similarity
> > coefficient between two character strings.
>
> I use that routine extensively in a program I've written for language
> learning drills. By using it, I avoid having a simple spelling mistake
> marked as 'incorrect'.
>
> Thanks for providing it ...
>
> --
> Craig
>
>
>
>
9. RE: Are you the right programmer?
Seriously, on this subject, I'm not an AI expert, but a colleage of mine
*is*, and the best one known to me. Surely the best one in Argentina.
So, may I suggest to Cool-Stuff to contact him through me.
Regards.
----- Original Message -----
From: irv mullins <guest at RapidEuphoria.com>
To: <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: Are you the right programmer?
>
>
> posted by: irv mullins <irvm at ellijay.com>
>
> Brian Broker wrote:
> >
> > You also replied to irv with: "And i am looking for such a sponsor as
this,
> > but he just gave you all the data he wouldn't give me about the
project."
> > Are you suggesting he just gave irv the data *without* an NDA?
>
> "CoolStuff" apparently gave all of us on this list the 'data', such as it
> was: just an example of one seemingly simple decision to be made.
> I believe it was a contrived example; perhaps to avoid revealing
> the actual idea, which he seems to think is original and has value.
>
> Note here: "intelligent systems" have already been invented. Patented,
too,
> most likely. They are used in medical diagnosis, for example.
>
> We know that far too many people have unrealistic ideas of what a computer
> can do. Perhaps CoolStuff is one of those people. Perhaps not. He (or she)
> has not been forthcoming enough to make that determination. From what
> we know, we can guess that this idea lies somewhere between the
> 8-ball* decision making toy (which is probably patented) and real
> "intelligent systems" which are also probably patented (and horribly
> expensive).
>
> Given the depth of information available to us, we might as well give a
> quote for the programming task: $35 for something similar to the 8-ball,
> $35 million (and up) for something at the other end of the scale.
>
> *Note: A computer program even simpler than the 'executive 8-ball'
> would tend to make better decisions than the average Harvard MBA*,
> so perhaps this is indeed a product with a great future.
>
> *Note 2: Computers (and 8-balls) pay no attention to anyone from
> the Marketing dept, so they already have a significant advantage.
>
> Irv
>
>
>
>
