1. [OT again] Win98 installation issues
Sorry to bother you lovely people again, but I'm having trouble installing
windows 98 on an old machine of mine... (P 166 MMX)
It's got a single physical and logical drive that is blank (2G)
I have a win98 boot disk, and the original win98 install media (not a burnt
copy). I have rebuilt machines recently with it, so there shouldn't be
anything wrong with it.
Attempt 1:
Set BIOS to boot from CD
Insert win98 CD (no floppy in drive)
Power on machine...
Comes up with error:
'Non system disk error. Please remove and try again'
Attempt 2:
Set BIOS to boot from floppy
Insert win98 CD and boot floppy
Power on machine
Choose Boot with CD-ROM support...
The boot floppy doesn't detect the cd drive.
The CD drive worked before I rebuilt the machine, and it's relatively new, a
24x ATAPI cdrom drive.
Any clues as to what I should try next?
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2. Re: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
Has this machine been recenlt rebuilt? It may be as simple as Master/Slave
issue on an IDE
chain.. I had the worst trouble one time with 2 CD-ROMs both designated as
'Computer Select' and
only one would work at a time, never both, odd....
----- Original Message -----
From: <mistertrik at hotmail.com>
Subject: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
Sorry to bother you lovely people again, but I'm having trouble installing
windows 98 on an old machine of mine... (P 166 MMX)
It's got a single physical and logical drive that is blank (2G)
I have a win98 boot disk, and the original win98 install media (not a burnt
copy). I have rebuilt machines recently with it, so there shouldn't be
anything wrong with it.
Attempt 1:
Set BIOS to boot from CD
Insert win98 CD (no floppy in drive)
Power on machine...
Comes up with error:
'Non system disk error. Please remove and try again'
Attempt 2:
Set BIOS to boot from floppy
Insert win98 CD and boot floppy
Power on machine
Choose Boot with CD-ROM support...
The boot floppy doesn't detect the cd drive.
The CD drive worked before I rebuilt the machine, and it's relatively new, a
24x ATAPI cdrom drive.
Any clues as to what I should try next?
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3. Re: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
No hardware changes have been made to it for a long time... I recall having
this problem on another machine a while ago, but it had another partition,
with the win98 CD in a folder so I just installed it from there. This
machine however is totally blanked... 2 gigs of nothing.
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>From: Greg Haberek <g.haberek at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: EUforum at topica.com
>To: EUforum <EUforum at topica.com>
>Subject: Re: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
>Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 01:19:39 -0500
>
>
>Has this machine been recenlt rebuilt? It may be as simple as Master/Slave
>issue on an IDE
>chain.. I had the worst trouble one time with 2 CD-ROMs both designated as
>'Computer Select' and
>only one would work at a time, never both, odd....
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mistertrik at hotmail.com>
>To: EUforum <EUforum at topica.com>
>Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:00 AM
>Subject: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
>
>
>Sorry to bother you lovely people again, but I'm having trouble installing
>windows 98 on an old machine of mine... (P 166 MMX)
>
>It's got a single physical and logical drive that is blank (2G)
>
>I have a win98 boot disk, and the original win98 install media (not a burnt
>copy). I have rebuilt machines recently with it, so there shouldn't be
>anything wrong with it.
>
>Attempt 1:
>Set BIOS to boot from CD
>Insert win98 CD (no floppy in drive)
>Power on machine...
>
>Comes up with error:
>
>'Non system disk error. Please remove and try again'
>
>Attempt 2:
>Set BIOS to boot from floppy
>Insert win98 CD and boot floppy
>Power on machine
>Choose Boot with CD-ROM support...
>
>The boot floppy doesn't detect the cd drive.
>
>
>The CD drive worked before I rebuilt the machine, and it's relatively new,
>a
>24x ATAPI cdrom drive.
>
>Any clues as to what I should try next?
>
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4. Re: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:00:27 +1100, mistertrik at hotmail.com wrote:
>The boot floppy doesn't detect the cd drive.
Sounds like a missing cdrom driver. Try the bootdisks from
http://www.bootdisk.com/ which come with 4 cdrom drivers (see the
read1st for details).
Pete
5. Re: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
when you say blank, do you mean formatted, or unpartitioned? you may need to
partition your
drive and then format it. I've had to do it twice on some of my older (< 4 gb)
hard drives to
get it to stick, weird... make sure you fdisk it, then reboot (power off) THEN
format the disk.
THEN install windows. make sure you're using a fresh floppy for your boot disk,
keep in mind
that the shelf life of a floppy (with a lot of use) is about 3-4 months
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete Lomax <petelomax at blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:00:27 +1100, mistertrik at hotmail.com wrote:
>The boot floppy doesn't detect the cd drive.
Sounds like a missing cdrom driver. Try the bootdisks from
http://www.bootdisk.com/ which come with 4 cdrom drivers (see the
read1st for details).
Pete
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6. Re: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
sorry... i guess the 'high-use' life of a floppy is about a month. hell, i've
killed 'em in
about a week!
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Broker <bkb at cnw.com>
Subject: RE: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
Actually, the "shelf-life" of a floppy disk is about 10 years, depending
on environmental circumstances. Heat, dust, moisture, magnets, and
other contaminants can reduce the FDD shelf-life time to zero.
Shelf life (with a lot of use) is an oxymoron... 
-- Brian
Greg Haberek wrote:
> that the shelf life of a floppy (with a lot of use) is about 3-4 months
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pete Lomax <petelomax at blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: EUforum <EUforum at topica.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 5:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:00:27 +1100, mistertrik at hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >The boot floppy doesn't detect the cd drive.
> Sounds like a missing cdrom driver. Try the bootdisks from
> http://www.bootdisk.com/ which come with 4 cdrom drivers (see the
> read1st for details).
> Pete
>
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7. Re: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Feb 14, 2003
On 13 Feb 2003, at 17:57, Greg Haberek wrote:
>
> sorry... i guess the 'high-use' life of a floppy is about a month. hell, i've
> killed 'em in about a week!
I've got them home, sat down at two puters (one with a new floppy drive), put
a *new* floppy in each, written a file to each with write-verify, no errors
reported, and (without touching either disc) *immeadiately* couldn't read it
back off either one. I've been able to use one floppy if i install a new drive,
and then it's caput for that drive and that floppy. All the Zip drives are fine,
and useable for years so far.
So far, this box has been up 23 days running win95B. Not idle, either,
programming in mirc and Eu, power browsing, emailing, data mining, irc'ing
24-7, etc.. But the floppy still doesn't work.
Kat
8. Re: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
Here is how I install Win 98 (first or second edition) onto a PC with a
single blank hard drive and one CD-ROM drive:
Create a boot disk which can access the CD-ROM drive and has utilitites to
do the following:
Boot from floppy: erase all current partitions; reboot
the EDPART.EXE utility could be helpful
Boot from floppy: create a primary DOS active partition; reboot
Boot from floppy; format the primary DOS partition as bootable; reboot
FORMAT /U /S C:
Create the C:\WIN98 directory
MKDIR C:\WIN98
Copy the CD content D:\WIN98\*.* C:\WIN98
COPY D:\WIN98\*.* C:\WIN98
(if the CD drive letter isn't D then change as appropriate)
Remove the boot floppy.
Reboot.
At the "C:\>" prompt type:
CD \WIN98
SETUP.EXE
Follow the on screen instructions.
Have your activation code handy (or activate a handy friend 
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Andy Cranston.
At 05:57 PM 2/13/03 -0500, you wrote:
>
>sorry... i guess the 'high-use' life of a floppy is about a month. hell,
i've killed 'em in
>about a week!
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Brian Broker <bkb at cnw.com>
>To: EUforum <EUforum at topica.com>
>Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 4:30 PM
>Subject: RE: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
>
>
>Actually, the "shelf-life" of a floppy disk is about 10 years, depending
>on environmental circumstances. Heat, dust, moisture, magnets, and
>other contaminants can reduce the FDD shelf-life time to zero.
>
>Shelf life (with a lot of use) is an oxymoron...
>
>-- Brian
>
>Greg Haberek wrote:
>> that the shelf life of a floppy (with a lot of use) is about 3-4 months
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Pete Lomax <petelomax at blueyonder.co.uk>
>> To: EUforum <EUforum at topica.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 5:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:00:27 +1100, mistertrik at hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >The boot floppy doesn't detect the cd drive.
>> Sounds like a missing cdrom driver. Try the bootdisks from
>> http://www.bootdisk.com/ which come with 4 cdrom drivers (see the
>> read1st for details).
>> Pete
>>
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9. Re: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
I think companies just dont care about the span of a floppy anymore.. very few
of us actually
use the *store* data... I basically use them to transport data from computer to
computer.
----- Original Message -----
From: <rforno at tutopia.com>
Subject: RE: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
Regarding floppy disks life span, I want to contribute my experience on
that.
I have some 100 3 1/2 floppies that I bought 6/7 years ago. I used them much
(you know, old machines...). I made daily backups with some of them, and in
3 years of use (more than 1000 uses) I had not a single error. Nowadays, I'm
using new diskettes (recognized makes: Nashua, Basf, Verbatim, Xerox, etc.),
bought at most 1 year ago, to port files from a PC to another one. From 100
units, ~ 50 developed bad sectors after about 3 to 7 usages.
It seems that new diskettes are made with butter or something similar!
This week I had to read some of the old diskettes, after being in a shelf
for more than 5 years. Not a single error, same PC.
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Haberek <g.haberek at comcast.net>
To: EUforum <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
>
> when you say blank, do you mean formatted, or unpartitioned? you may need
to partition your
> drive and then format it. I've had to do it twice on some of my older (< 4
gb) hard drives to
> get it to stick, weird... make sure you fdisk it, then reboot (power off)
THEN format the disk.
> THEN install windows. make sure you're using a fresh floppy for your boot
disk, keep in mind
> that the shelf life of a floppy (with a lot of use) is about 3-4 months
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pete Lomax <petelomax at blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: EUforum <EUforum at topica.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 5:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:00:27 +1100, mistertrik at hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >The boot floppy doesn't detect the cd drive.
> Sounds like a missing cdrom driver. Try the bootdisks from
> http://www.bootdisk.com/ which come with 4 cdrom drivers (see the
> read1st for details).
> Pete
>
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10. Re: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
Is it a Win98 Boot floppy. They contain many DOS CD-ROM drivers
You could try downloading the proper DOS drivers for your CD-ROM
drive.
Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar
----- Original Message -----
From: <mistertrik at hotmail.com>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Subject: [OT again] Win98 installation issues
>
> Sorry to bother you lovely people again, but I'm having trouble installing
> windows 98 on an old machine of mine... (P 166 MMX)
>
> It's got a single physical and logical drive that is blank (2G)
>
> I have a win98 boot disk, and the original win98 install media (not a
burnt
> copy). I have rebuilt machines recently with it, so there shouldn't be
> anything wrong with it.
<snip by me>
> Set BIOS to boot from floppy
> Insert win98 CD and boot floppy
> Power on machine
> Choose Boot with CD-ROM support...
>
> The boot floppy doesn't detect the cd drive.
>
>
> The CD drive worked before I rebuilt the machine, and it's relatively new,
a
> 24x ATAPI cdrom drive.
>
> Any clues as to what I should try next?
>
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