1. RDS page: Russian page
Rob or Igor,
may I recommend to include the meta instruction, i.e.:
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=Windows-1251">.
If I start my browser (NS 4.8) with RDS English and click Russian, then
I have to switch the Character Set manually to Windows-1251.
Also, would you like to make the RDS pages W3C compatible so it runs
through:
http://validator.w3.org/ without errors?
Thanks, and have a nice day, Rolf
2. Re: RDS page: Russian page
Hi Rolf,
I am sorry, I was ill and my site and Rob's Russian
section are out of date now. Some time later on
I'll try to correct Russian docs for Rob and for my site.
But the things are such that I must have html docs
in KOI8-R encoding on my site and in Windows 1251 encodind
on Rob's Russian section , both with *soft* code page to allow
the user to select code page most comfortable for him.
This is rule of my Internet provider.
Or I must have docs with all Russian encodings
on my site and set a switch on the home page.
So, Rolf, this is reality, not our mistake.
Then, my docs are in the simplest html standard
to allow access for any and all users with any and all
browsers. Democratic docs, no? 
Good luck with Russian, Rolf !!!!
And have a nice day !!!!
Thanks and best regards,
Igor Kachan,
kinz at peterlink.ru
----------
> Îò: rolf.schroeder at desy.de
> Êîìó: EUforum <EUforum at topica.com>
> Òåìà: RDS page: Russian page
> Äàòà: 14 ôåâðàëÿ 2003 ã. 12:29
>
>
> Rob or Igor,
>
> may I recommend to include the meta instruction, i.e.:
>
> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
> charset=Windows-1251">.
>
> If I start my browser (NS 4.8) with RDS English and click Russian, then
> I have to switch the Character Set manually to Windows-1251.
>
> Also, would you like to make the RDS pages W3C compatible so it runs
> through:
> http://validator.w3.org/ without errors?
>
> Thanks, and have a nice day, Rolf
3. Re: RDS page: Russian page
- Posted by r.schr at t-online.de
Feb 15, 2003
Hi Igor,
Igor Kachan wrote:
> ...
> I am sorry, I was ill and my site and Rob's Russian
> section are out of date now. Some time later on
> I'll try to correct Russian docs for Rob and for my site.
>
Sorry to hear that. Hope you are OK. now!
> But the things are such that I must have html docs
> in KOI8-R encoding on my site and in Windows 1251 encodind
> on Rob's Russian section , both with *soft* code page to allow
> the user to select code page most comfortable for him.
> This is rule of my Internet provider.
> Or I must have docs with all Russian encodings
> on my site and set a switch on the home page.
>
May be my idea is impossible or stupid here, but has it to be 'Windows
1251' encoding on Rob's section instead also KOI8-R? In my Netscape 4.8
I have also this code. Is KOI8-R not generally common?
> So, Rolf, this is reality, not our mistake.
In principle it is recommended to give for each HTML page also the code
used, the Browser uses otherwise the code of the last page it loaded,
which might be different.
> Then, my docs are in the simplest html standard
> to allow access for any and all users with any and all
> browsers. Democratic docs, no?
I agree fully!
> Good luck with Russian, Rolf !!!!
My family and I visited Russian friends in St. Petersburg two times
since 1990 privately. My wife took some Russian lessons, but if you are
older then 50 it became more and more harder to learn a new language
(except Euphoria of course). Thanks so far for the Good Luck!
But may I remember the still unanswered question (also to compete M$,
who want to define obviously an HTML standard of their own): would you
like to make the RDS pages W3C compatible so it runs through:
http://validator.w3.org/ without errors?
This seems to guarantee that "any and all users with any and all
browsers" are able to read this pages.
Good health, and have a nice day, Rolf
4. Re: RDS page: Russian page
Hi Rolf,
----------
> Îò: r.schr at t-online.de
> Êîìó: EUforum <EUforum at topica.com>
> Òåìà: Re: RDS page: Russian page
> Äàòà: 15 ôåâðàëÿ 2003 ã. 12:50
> > But the things are such that I must have html docs
> > in KOI8-R encoding on my site and in Windows 1251 encodind
> > on Rob's Russian section , both with *soft* code page to allow
> > the user to select code page most comfortable for him.
> > This is rule of my Internet provider.
> > Or I must have docs with all Russian encodings
> > on my site and set a switch on the home page.
>
> May be my idea is impossible or stupid here, but has it to be 'Windows
> 1251' encoding on Rob's section instead also KOI8-R? In my Netscape 4.8
> I have also this code. Is KOI8-R not generally common?
My provider has somewhat of UNIX-like OS on his host-machines.
And KOI8-R is the Russian UNIX standard encoding.
Provider wants no problems with any encodings for himself
and requires KOI8-R docs.
Then he recodes my docs on the fly into Windows 1251
for the Windows users. So, I get my KOI8-R docs in my
Windows browser with Windows 1251 encoding -- good, no?
Rob's host knows nothing about that Russian mumbo-jumbo
UNIX-shmunix encodings-recodings and my docs are in
Windows 1251 encoding on Rob's Russian section.
So, the best way to avoid any problems with possible
bad Russian recodings is to avoid of any commands like
to "<code page = "Windows 1251>" in Russian htmls.
Russian users know very well what to do if they see
some mumbo-jumbo insteard of native Russian on their
monitors.
So, I have no such the commands in my docs and can
prepare two variants of docs with the simplest one-pass
operation of recodeing without correction of the commands
by hands or with another function.
>
> > So, Rolf, this is reality, not our mistake.
Do you see this reality more clearly ?
> In principle it is recommended to give for each HTML page also the code
> used, the Browser uses otherwise the code of the last page it loaded,
> which might be different.
>
> > Then, my docs are in the simplest html standard
> > to allow access for any and all users with any and all
> > browsers. Democratic docs, no?
>
> I agree fully!
OK !
>
> > Good luck with Russian, Rolf !!!!
>
> My family and I visited Russian friends in St. Petersburg two times
> since 1990 privately. My wife took some Russian lessons, but if you are
> older then 50 it became more and more harder to learn a new language
> (except Euphoria of course). Thanks so far for the Good Luck!
Good Luck again!
> But may I remember the still unanswered question (also to compete M$,
> who want to define obviously an HTML standard of their own): would you
> like to make the RDS pages W3C compatible so it runs through:
>
> http://validator.w3.org/ without errors?
>
> This seems to guarantee that "any and all users with any and all
> browsers" are able to read this pages.
Rob and me saw the case when some program like to that validator or
maybe just that validator says OK about one of the RDS site's documents,
but that document doesn't work OK and requires to rewrite it by hands after
the concrete testing from IE 3.01 and to the latest available browser.
>
> Good health, and have a nice day, Rolf
Thanks Rolf. Same to you.
Regards,
Igor Kachan
kinz at peterlink.ru
