1. My "Das Svendanya"
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Hello,
"If you think it's a Russian greeting, then your rendition is full of
careless mistakes, on par with your other contributions."
My "contributions" were nothing of the sort! I am a beginner =
programmer, I mean total beginner. Euphoria is the first language I have =
ever used, and therefore, I have some problems. Anyone would have =
problems when they just start programming. So, my programs are not =
correct all the time. They are not contribtutions; they are files I have =
sent for help.=20
As far as "Das Svendanya" goes, it really isn't important. I thought =
it was a sort of "goob-bye" statement that is more amusing to say than =
'see you later'. I was simply trying to be creative.
"Please, correct me, if I am wrong. Otherwise feel discouraged."
I would feel discouraged if I was a spineless worm, but I am not. =
Therefore I will continue to make creative comments and programs I am =
having problems with. If I simply hit a nerve, with my "Das Svendanya", =
I have a question. Is it really that important?
-----Thomas
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"If you think it's a Russian greeting, =
then your=20
rendition is full of<BR>careless mistakes, on par with your other=20
contributions."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> My "contributions" =
were nothing=20
of the sort! I am a beginner programmer, I mean <EM>total </EM>beginner. =
Euphoria is the first language I have ever used, and therefore, I have =
some=20
problems. Anyone would have problems when they just start programming. =
So, my=20
programs are not correct all the time. They are not contribtutions; they =
are=20
files I have sent for help. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> As far as "Das =
Svendanya" goes,=20
it really isn't important. I thought it was a sort of "goob-bye" =
statement that=20
is more amusing to say than 'see you later'. I was simply trying to be=20
creative.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Please, correct me, if I am wrong. =
Otherwise feel=20
discouraged."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I would feel =
discouraged if I=20
was a spineless worm, but I am not. Therefore I will continue to make =
creative=20
comments and programs I am having problems with. If I simply hit a =
nerve, with=20
my "Das Svendanya", I have a question. Is it really that =
important?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-----Thomas</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT color=3D#800000><FONT=20
color=3D#000080>-----</FONT>/\</FONT><FONT=20
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2. Re: My "Das Svendanya"
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Thomas,
Sorry to butt in, but -nerve or not- I think Jiri's right, even if he =
may not be the most tactful person around.
As far as "Das Svendanya" goes, it really isn't important. I =
thought it was a sort of "goob-bye" statement that is more amusing to =
say than 'see you later'. I was simply trying to be creative.
<snip>
I have a question. Is it really that important?
-----Thomas
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"Das Svendanya" isn't really important in itself. Few things are. =
Personally, I'm inclined to congratulate you on your creative greeting =
style. I'm not being ironic, all these Hellos and Byes do get boring.
But I agree with Jiri on the sloppiness side of the matter, and this is =
a definitely not off-topic question. Programming is for creative people, =
yes, but creative doesn't mean anything goes as long as it's original. I =
can understand you even if your spelling isn't exact; a compiler or =
interpreter can't.
Being a beginner (something you need never be ashamed of; the oldest and =
most experienced obviously started their careers as beginners, too!) you =
probably have never had to employ natural language in a precise and =
unambiguous way. As in writing reports for your employers, project =
descriptions for your investors, or manuals for your users. I assure you =
that any mistake can be very, very costly, for you and for others.
I spent many years working with manuals and 'explain' files written in =
English by French programmers. Their spelling was impeccable, their =
syntax was not. Many times I had to translate whole paragraphs into =
French, just to understand what they meant. Natural languages, imperfect =
and confusing as they are, can be as precise and meaningful as you want =
them to be. It's a joy to make them work for you.
Have time for an anecdote? Your own "Das Svendanya" (however it's =
written, I won't even try Cyrillic) was part of the dialogue in a movie =
I once saw. The English (and Spanish) subtitles correctly translated the =
expression as "To your health" (sorry, Jiri, but "vita" in Russian means =
"health"). But I also saw the movie trailer, where the translator =
probably hadn't the faintest idea about the movie's argument, =
characters, etc., didn't even understand it was a Russian expression, =
and translated it as if they'd said ... "That's for Daniel." Who the =
heck was Daniel, anyway? No Daniels around, not even Jack Daniels, =
more's the pity.
Such things can happen.
Gerardo
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thomas,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry to butt in, but -nerve or not- I =
think Jiri's=20
right, even if he may not be the most tactful person =
around.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> As far as "Das =
Svendanya"=20
goes, it really isn't important. I thought it was a sort of "goob-bye" =
statement that is more amusing to say than 'see you later'. I was =
simply=20
trying to be creative.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><snip></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have a question. Is it really that=20
important?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-----Thomas</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT color=3D#800000><FONT=20
color=3D#000080>-----</FONT>/\</FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#008000>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Das Svendanya" isn't really important =
in itself.=20
Few things are. Personally, I'm inclined to congratulate you on your =
creative=20
greeting style. I'm not being ironic, all these Hellos and Byes do get=20
boring.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But I agree with Jiri on the sloppiness =
side of the=20
matter, and this is a definitely not off-topic question. Programming is =
for=20
creative people, yes, but creative doesn't mean anything goes as long as =
it's=20
original. I can understand you even if your spelling isn't exact; a =
compiler or=20
interpreter can't.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Being a beginner (something you need =
never be=20
ashamed of; the oldest and most experienced obviously started their =
careers as=20
beginners, too!) you probably have never had to employ natural language =
in a=20
precise and unambiguous way. As in writing reports for your employers, =
project=20
descriptions for your investors, or manuals for your users. I assure you =
that=20
any mistake can be very, very costly, for you and for =
others.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I spent many years working with manuals =
and=20
'explain' files written in English by French programmers. Their spelling =
was=20
impeccable, their syntax was not. Many times I had to translate whole =
paragraphs=20
into French, just to understand what they meant. Natural languages, =
imperfect=20
and confusing as they are, can be as precise and meaningful as you want =
them to=20
be. It's a joy to make them work for you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Have time for an anecdote? Your own =
<FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>"Das Svendanya" (however it's written, I won't =
even try=20
Cyrillic) was part of the dialogue in a movie I once saw. The English =
(and=20
Spanish) subtitles correctly translated the expression as "To your =
health"=20
(sorry, Jiri, but "vita" in Russian means "health"). But I also saw the =
movie=20
trailer, where the translator probably hadn't the faintest idea about =
the=20
movie's argument, characters, etc., didn't even understand it was a =
Russian=20
expression, and translated it as if they'd said ... "That's for =
Daniel." =20
Who the heck was Daniel, anyway? No Daniels around, not even Jack =
Daniels,=20
more's the pity.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Such things can happen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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