1. VB IDE
I work professionally with VB 6.0 and David Cuny's view of it as an
excellent, highly professional IDE is quite correct (IMHO a great IDE wasted
on a mediocre language--this definitely WON'T be the case for Win32Lib).
David's technical info is essentially correct: all of those windows can be
toggled on and off, and the "monitor visualizer" just clutters my screen.
The windows can be sized, and float free or be docked to any of the sides.
You wouldn't need to copy all of this functionality to have a very good IDE.
I'll see if I can get some screen shots and some links while I'm at work--I
can't make any promises as my company is very busy right now, but I'd be
happy to help if I can.
If there is anything specific you need, you can email me at my work address
mnelson at bluelake.com
-- Mike Nelson
2. Re: VB IDE
Ok, guys & gals,
I've been thinking about the VB IDE. But I have a question. If you are using
screen resolution of 800X600 and you want to design a screen 800X600 how do
you do that if both sides of the IDE have controls and property sheet stuff?
I noticed from the screenshots supplied that the Design window can be
maximized (or was that the title bar not real?) but if it gets maximized how
can you then click on any controls to add to it?
Judith
3. Re: VB IDE
Thanks for the info, Ray
Judith
On Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:50:30 +1000, Ray & Debbie Smith <smithr at IX.NET.AU>
wrote:
>The design window scrolls to allow you to create forms (windows) larger
than
>what your screen is setup for.
>
>
>Ray Smith
4. Re: VB IDE
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The design window scrolls to allow you to create forms (windows) larger than
what your screen is setup for.
When you press the max. button the toolbar and properties window are still
displayed. ie. the design window is maximised within the design area.
See zip file that contains a bmp that should show you what I'm trying to
say.
See the scroll bar at the bottom that scrolls the desogn window. You will
also see the properties and toolbox windows.
Hope it helps
Ray Smith
----- Original Message -----
From: Judith Evans <camping at FLASH.NET>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: VB IDE
> Ok, guys & gals,
>
> I've been thinking about the VB IDE. But I have a question. If you are
using
> screen resolution of 800X600 and you want to design a screen 800X600 how
do
> you do that if both sides of the IDE have controls and property sheet
stuff?
> I noticed from the screenshots supplied that the Design window can be
> maximized (or was that the title bar not real?) but if it gets maximized
how
> can you then click on any controls to add to it?
>
> Judith
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name="vb1.zip"
5. Re: VB IDE
I've hacked together an emulated Outlook-like toolbar to go along with the
emulated Property List control. The look and feel is fairly complete,
although it's not yet wrapped to be a as a stand-alone control.
In theory, it's supposed to replace the tool palette in the Win32Lib IDE,
although it currently behaves pretty much the way it does in Outlook,
because that's what I used to model it. To make it work for the VB IDE, I'll
also have to add a "sticky" property, so icons stay pressed down when you
click them.
If anyone wants to play with it and give some feedback, I've temporarily
placed it at:
http://www.lanset.com/dcuny/download/outlook.zip
Also, if anyone knows the "proper" name for this control, I'd appreciate
knowing it. I'll try to have a stand-alone version in a couple of days.
Thanks!
-- David Cuny
6. Re: VB IDE
--- "Cuny, David at DSS" <David.Cuny at DSS.CA.GOV> wrote:
> I've hacked together an emulated Outlook-like toolbar to go along with the
> emulated Property List control. The look and feel is fairly complete,
> although it's not yet wrapped to be a as a stand-alone control.
>
Sounds like it's about time to wrap the TrackBar (yet another common control)...
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7. Re: VB IDE
- Posted by ck lester <cklester at YAHOO.COM>
Oct 10, 2000
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Last edited Oct 11, 2000
Wow! Good stuff, David.
Is there an editor that I can use to build EUPHORIA for Windows apps? I
prefer one with a visual development environment. I program extensively in
VBA, and an interface like that would be awesome.
Thanks!
ck
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
> Subject: Re: VB IDE
>
>
> I've hacked together an emulated Outlook-like toolbar to go along with the
> emulated Property List control. The look and feel is fairly complete,
> although it's not yet wrapped to be a as a stand-alone control.
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8. Re: VB IDE
- Posted by Matt Lewis <matthewwalkerlewis at YAHOO.COM>
Oct 10, 2000
-
Last edited Oct 11, 2000
--- ck lester <cklester at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> Wow! Good stuff, David.
>
> Is there an editor that I can use to build EUPHORIA for Windows apps? I
> prefer one with a visual development environment. I program extensively in
> VBA, and an interface like that would be awesome.
>
Uh, yeah. That's the idea behind the IDE that Dave packaged with Win32Lib, and
which Judith has taken over. I believe you can get her latest at
http://www.flash.net/~camping/judith
There are still some rough edges, but she seems to be making a lot of progress.
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9. Re: VB IDE
I got an error report come in this morning that in the editor, the IDE won't
let you input anything except in the onClick event and at only the first
time you see it.
Urgh!
I've made some progress with using RichEdit in the editor. I'm sort of
playing around with the concept until the problems with text selection are
fixed. David, have you been working on Edit.ew?
I want to complete, at least to the point of being bug free, the Floating
Control version of the IDE and the one-screen version before we pursue the
VB IDE approach -- unless, of course, someone else wants to tackle that one.
David, I just saw your message about the emulated toolbar so will have to
look at it in a bit. Emulated property sheet, emulated toolbar. Now all I
need is somebody to emulate code 
CU
Judith
On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:35:42 -0700, Matt Lewis
<matthewwalkerlewis at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>--- ck lester <cklester at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>> Wow! Good stuff, David.
>>
>> Is there an editor that I can use to build EUPHORIA for Windows apps? I
>> prefer one with a visual development environment. I program extensively
in
>> VBA, and an interface like that would be awesome.
>>
>
>Uh, yeah. That's the idea behind the IDE that Dave packaged with Win32Lib,
and
>which Judith has taken over. I believe you can get her latest at
>
>http://www.flash.net/~camping/judith
>
>There are still some rough edges, but she seems to be making a lot of
progress.
>
>
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>Matt Lewis
>http://members.nbci.com/matthewlewis
>
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10. Re: VB IDE
> Also, if anyone knows the "proper" name for this control, I'd
> appreciate
> knowing it. I'll try to have a stand-alone version in a
> couple of days.
I believe you're looking for the 'pager' common control:
"A Pager (introduced in Internet Explorer 4.0) is a window container that
holds a child window (usually a control) that does not have enough display
area to show all of its contents. This control allows the user to scroll to
the area of the window that is not currently in view. "
I don't know if its got the multi-pane functionality, but I think that's at
least what its based on.
Matt
11. Re: VB IDE
Judith Evans wrote:
> David, have you been working on Edit.ew?
Huh? Urm... Did I fall asleep again?
I thought you had solved the last problem with the editor, and were playing
with the Rich Text control. I must have missed something.
-- David Cuny
12. Re: VB IDE
David,
I guess somewhere along the way, talking about VB IDE and such, that you
offered to work on the editor. I assumed you meant the current one, but
maybe you meant the one for the VB version.
I solved most of the problems with the editor, except the problem when the
user selects data and mouse lifts up in the scrollbar. The editor doesn't
anchor the highlighting. I can't seem to fix that other than to move the
scrollbar a bit away from the editor. That is not a good solution. I had the
highlighting anchored but that prevented the user from changing his mind and
moving the cursor to the left again or selecting multiple lines.
I have played with the RichEdit control with some success. My only concern
is the 64k size limit, which I understood would bite us when using 'find'. I
know that doesn't affect IDE but for a general purpose edit.ew, it might.
Anyway, I know you have a lot going, so I will plug away....
As I mentioned yesterday or the day before, I want to get the Simple IDE's,
both free floating and docked, Control creation process error free, before
moving on to the VB stuff.
I liked the calendar xpm you put in your emulated Control. Is there an easy
way to reduce it to 28 x 28 for the IDE?
Judith
On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:21:37 -0700, Cuny, David at DSS <David.Cuny at
DSS.CA.GOV>
wrote:
>Judith Evans wrote:
>
>> David, have you been working on Edit.ew?
>
>Huh? Urm... Did I fall asleep again?
>
>I thought you had solved the last problem with the editor, and were playing
>with the Rich Text control. I must have missed something.
>
>-- David Cuny
