1. A Beginner's Guide To Euphoria III (really!)
Good morning.
As I mentioned before, I've been playing around with the idea of
writing "A Beginner's Guide To Euphoria III" for the last 18 months. I've
have decided, after checking on my current personal and professional
obligations and taking into consideration ABGTE II will be NINE years old
on July 27th, 2006, I have decided to make that idea a reality.
Now, I know what you are saying...I last attempted this in July 2000 but it
never came to light..what happened? Well, I will be honest with you. It was
the wrong time to write a "III" because my job at the time was very busy,
plus I stated an unrealistic period of 4 months to write III. All of that
made it impossible to create "III" and for that I'd like to apologize for
not doing what I said I was going to do.
My target date for releasing ABGTE III is April 21st, 2006. The date
was well-chosen for several reasons. It will give me six and a half months
to plan and code III, consult with the membership of EUforum for your
collective advice, and give RDS the chance to validate the tutorial's
accuracy (pending their approval to play that role). RDS has also given
the Euphoria programmer new commands and enhancements between 1.5 (which
ABGTE II covered) and the latest version 2.5. This means I need more time
to cover a wider range of commands. In addition, April 21st 2006 is the
10th anniversity of the birth of the web page, "A Beginner's Guide To
Euphoria". What a nice anniversary gift it would be if we can add another
new tutorial program to the RDS Documentation portion of "User
Contributions".
My first question to all of you is the general appearance of the tutorial
itself. While I have decided the tutorial will be a program (It must be
a program...II demonstrated to everyone what Euphoria can do by being
written in Euphoria while teaching Euphoria), what kind of program will it
be? If I am considering a multi-platform tutorial software, the software
would have to be written in Euphoria using commands that are covered on all
four platforms Euphoria can be compiled on. However, that would lead to a
text only program with limited interface support. Another option I could
try is to write ABGTE III for Windows/DOS, but give the tutorial the
ability to write a text and HTML version for those platforms that aren't
Microsoft.
The face of the tutorial will be further altered by Windows Vista. Vista is
supposed to drop DOS support and replace it with some sort of command line
shell called MSH (code name Monad). Assuming we cannot use DOS any more,
and MSH does not support Euphoria programs which use commands like
draw_line() and display_image(), the tutorial may have to be written
using Win32lib as the interface. This question is very crucial because I
want my tutorial to continue on in Vista's world as an executable program.
Regards
David Gay
2. Re: A Beginner's Guide To Euphoria III (really!)
David,
wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria.
wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria.
wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria.
wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria.
Welcome back! :)
Ken Rhodes
SuSE Linux 9.3
100% MicroSoft Free
3. Re: A Beginner's Guide To Euphoria III (really!)
Kenneth Rhodes wrote:
>
> David,
>
> wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria.
> wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria.
> wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria.
> wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria.
Hello Kenneth
I downloaded wxEuphoria version .70 for Windows
from http://wxeuphoria.sourceforge.net/ and played around with the demos.
Looks good, but I will now need to learn how to program under this
environment. I'll admit this isn't going to be as easy as DOS programming.
However, perhaps I need not be proficient if I just get a basic window
going with some menus, a toolbar, some buttons and a multiline text field
for the tutorial. I downloaded the wxEuphoria IDE but it keeps crashing,
so chances are good I won't use it if I decide to write the tutorial
using wxEuphoria.
If all fails, there's nothing stopping me from writing a tutorial using the
cross-platform statements and functions to ensure it can be ported over to
other platforms but it will look boring.
David Gay
4. Re: A Beginner's Guide To Euphoria III (really!)
- Posted by Matt Lewis <matthewwalkerlewis at gmail.com>
Sep 03, 2005
-
Last edited Sep 04, 2005
David Gay wrote:
>
> Kenneth Rhodes wrote:
> >
> > David,
> >
> > wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria.
> > wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria.
> > wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria.
> > wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria, wxEuphoria.
>
> Hello Kenneth
>
> I downloaded wxEuphoria version .70 for Windows
> from <a
> href="http://wxeuphoria.sourceforge.net/">http://wxeuphoria.sourceforge.net/</a>
> and played around with the demos.
> Looks good, but I will now need to learn how to program under this
> environment. I'll admit this isn't going to be as easy as DOS programming.
> However, perhaps I need not be proficient if I just get a basic window
> going with some menus, a toolbar, some buttons and a multiline text field
> for the tutorial. I downloaded the wxEuphoria IDE but it keeps crashing,
> so chances are good I won't use it if I decide to write the tutorial
> using wxEuphoria.
>
> If all fails, there's nothing stopping me from writing a tutorial using the
> cross-platform statements and functions to ensure it can be ported over to
> other platforms but it will look boring.
>
I'm working on getting v0.8 out the door this weekend, which means that I
can release the next version of wxIDE, which will allow you to do some
design in a GUI environment, and have it write the code for you. It's not
as mature as the IDE for Win32Lib, but it's a real help.
Matt Lewis
5. Re: A Beginner's Guide To Euphoria III (really!)
- Posted by David Gay <davidalangay at hotmail.com>
Sep 03, 2005
-
Last edited Sep 04, 2005
Matt Lewis wrote:
> I'm working on getting v0.8 out the door this weekend, which means that I
> can release the next version of wxIDE, which will allow you to do some
> design in a GUI environment, and have it write the code for you. It's not
> as mature as the IDE for Win32Lib, but it's a real help.
>
> Matt Lewis
>
Hi Matt.
I'm looking forward to having 0.8 available. Thanks to you and your
Sourceforge team for the effort put into it. Like I said in my post
to Kenneth, it looks really good. I especially like the wxTreeCtrl
functionality. It would make the tutorial very easy to work with if I can
get that to work for me.
David Gay
6. Re: A Beginner's Guide To Euphoria III (really!)
- Posted by Vincent <darkvincentdude at yahoo.com>
Sep 03, 2005
-
Last edited Sep 04, 2005
David Gay wrote:
>
> Good morning.
>
> As I mentioned before, I've been playing around with the idea of
> writing "A Beginner's Guide To Euphoria III" for the last 18 months. I've
> have decided, after checking on my current personal and professional
> obligations and taking into consideration ABGTE II will be NINE years old
> on July 27th, 2006, I have decided to make that idea a reality.
>
> Now, I know what you are saying...I last attempted this in July 2000 but it
> never came to light..what happened? Well, I will be honest with you. It was
> the wrong time to write a "III" because my job at the time was very busy,
> plus I stated an unrealistic period of 4 months to write III. All of that
> made it impossible to create "III" and for that I'd like to apologize for
> not doing what I said I was going to do.
>
> My target date for releasing ABGTE III is April 21st, 2006. The date
> was well-chosen for several reasons. It will give me six and a half months
> to plan and code III, consult with the membership of EUforum for your
> collective advice, and give RDS the chance to validate the tutorial's
> accuracy (pending their approval to play that role). RDS has also given
> the Euphoria programmer new commands and enhancements between 1.5 (which
> ABGTE II covered) and the latest version 2.5. This means I need more time
> to cover a wider range of commands. In addition, April 21st 2006 is the
> 10th anniversity of the birth of the web page, "A Beginner's Guide To
> Euphoria". What a nice anniversary gift it would be if we can add another
> new tutorial program to the RDS Documentation portion of "User
> Contributions".
>
> My first question to all of you is the general appearance of the tutorial
> itself. While I have decided the tutorial will be a program (It must be
> a program...II demonstrated to everyone what Euphoria can do by being
> written in Euphoria while teaching Euphoria), what kind of program will it
> be? If I am considering a multi-platform tutorial software, the software
> would have to be written in Euphoria using commands that are covered on all
> four platforms Euphoria can be compiled on. However, that would lead to a
> text only program with limited interface support. Another option I could
> try is to write ABGTE III for Windows/DOS, but give the tutorial the
> ability to write a text and HTML version for those platforms that aren't
> Microsoft.
>
> The face of the tutorial will be further altered by Windows Vista. Vista is
> supposed to drop DOS support and replace it with some sort of command line
> shell called MSH (code name Monad). Assuming we cannot use DOS any more,
> and MSH does not support Euphoria programs which use commands like
> draw_line() and display_image(), the tutorial may have to be written
> using Win32lib as the interface. This question is very crucial because I
> want my tutorial to continue on in Vista's world as an executable program.
>
> Regards
>
> David Gay
>
Hey David,
Why not use wxEuphoria or EuGTK+ for a cross-platform Windows/Linux tutorial,
you might even be able to get it to work on FreeBSD? I would
not worry about a DOS version of the tuturial, since people need to have Windows
to even install Euphoria for DOS.
I think you should wait and cover the next version of Euphoria, that way you can
add a section on emulated threads. Euphoria v2.5 official has been out for about
6 months now, so I'd just wait. Hopefully an alpha version of the next release
will be available before April 2006.
Now about Windows Vista... MS-DOS emulation will still be available from what I
know, thus Euphoria for DOS on Vista should still be possible. MSH has been
dropped from Windows Vista client versions, but may make it into Windows Longhorn
Server in 2007. WinFS will probably be available in the second service pack for
Vista. The UI you are refering to is called Aero. It's has a transparent glass
theme by default. It's simular in respects to MacOS X's Aqua UI.
I'm not sure what you mean by: "I want my tutorial to continue on in Vista's
world as an executable program", but I'll say this, if your looking to exploit
the new managed API: WinFX, Euphoria is not the language to use, since Euphoria
does not support the .NET architecture at this point.
Don't worry though, Win32 C-style API isn't going anywhere for a very long time,
thus Euphoria for Windows isn't going to die. I don't see emulated DOS going
anywhere either.
Nevertheless, if you are a Windows developer, you should not avoid .NET, as it
will become the principle development platform for Windows Vista, and beyond.
Euphoria + C#/VB.NET and/or Java are a great combination. I took that route.
Regards,
Vincent
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7. Re: A Beginner's Guide To Euphoria III (really!)
Hi Vincent
What I meant by "I want my tutorial to continue on in Vista's world
as an executable program, was I wanted to ensure when I write the tutorial
to run without modification (depending on the approach to programming,
either native or with wxEuphoria), I did not have to worry about making
any changes to have it run on Vista when it comes out.
Thanks very much on clearing up my misconceptions about Vista, Aero, and the
future of Euphoria for DOS.
Pardon the question, but what exactly is threading..is it like threading
on an IBM AS/400?
Regards
David Gay
8. Re: A Beginner's Guide To Euphoria III (really!)
David Gay wrote:
>
> Hi Vincent
>
> What I meant by "I want my tutorial to continue on in Vista's world
> as an executable program, was I wanted to ensure when I write the tutorial
> to run without modification (depending on the approach to programming,
> either native or with wxEuphoria), I did not have to worry about making
> any changes to have it run on Vista when it comes out.
>
> Thanks very much on clearing up my misconceptions about Vista, Aero, and the
> future of Euphoria for DOS.
>
> Pardon the question, but what exactly is threading..is it like threading
> on an IBM AS/400?
>
> Regards
>
> David Gay
>
Hi,
I found this article on Wikipedia to be of help on threads:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_%28computer_science%29
--Quark
9. Re: A Beginner's Guide To Euphoria III (really!)
Matt Lewis wrote:
> I'm working on getting v0.8 out the door this weekend, which means that I
Will the next version of the Linux version of wxEuphoria have a solution to the
click problem? Will binded wxEuphoria files run on KDE and Nautilus by clicking?
10. Re: A Beginner's Guide To Euphoria III (really!)
Hi Quark.
I should have looked there in the first place, just like what you did.
I go to Wikipedia on a regular basis.
Yes, it is like a thread on an AS/400
Regards
11. Re: A Beginner's Guide To Euphoria III (really!)
Jerry Story wrote:
>
> Will the next version of the Linux version of wxEuphoria have a solution to
> the click
> problem? Will binded wxEuphoria files run on KDE and Nautilus by clicking?
>
I haven't figured it out yet, but it's one thing I'm working on.
Matt Lewis
12. Re: A Beginner's Guide To Euphoria III (really!)
Jerry Story wrote:
>
> Will the next version of the Linux version of wxEuphoria have a solution to
> the click
> problem? Will binded wxEuphoria files run on KDE and Nautilus by clicking?
>
Here's what I'm doing. I'm adding this code to wxEuphoria.e:
global sequence PATH
integer slash
PATH = command_line()
PATH = reverse(PATH[1])
if platform() = LINUX then
slash = '/'
else
slash = '\\'
end if
if find(slash, PATH) then
PATH = reverse( PATH[find(slash, PATH)..$] )
else
PATH = ""
end if
Then, to fix freecell, change the line:
constant CardsBmp = loadGraphics( "cards.png" )
-- to:
constant CardsBmp = loadGraphics( PATH & "cards.png" )
Basically, PATH will hold the startup directory for wherever your app is
when it's double clicked in a file manager. The only time PATH might fail,
is if your app is somewhere in the PATH, and a user typed the app name. Then,
there is no way to know (in theory, you could use the linux command "which").
This sort of situation will have to be the programmer's responsibility.
Matt Lewis
13. Re: A Beginner's Guide To Euphoria III (really!)
David, your tutorial really got me going with Euphoria. It was great! As I am
a relative newbie to Win32, I would love for the new tutorial to concentrate on
Windows programming. Either win32lib or wxeuphoria would be outstanding!
14. Re: A Beginner's Guide To Euphoria III (really!)
FYI, everybody, I have a Euphoria/GUI tutorial posted to my Euphoria web site.
Have a look and let me know what's missing... :)
http://www.cklester.com/books/guiphoria/
There's also a non-GUI Euphoria primer at
http://www.cklester.com/books/jubilation/
-=ck
"Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/
15. Re: A Beginner's Guide To Euphoria III (really!)
Chris S wrote:
>
> David, your tutorial really got me going with Euphoria. It was great! As I
> am a relative
> newbie to Win32, I would love for the new tutorial to concentrate on Windows
> programming.
> Either win32lib or wxeuphoria would be outstanding!
>
Hi Chris. Thanks for the comments. I am glad the tutorial helped
you out.
CKlister has already written a primer/tutorial on wxeuphoria and
win32lib. I know it is there because I am in the process of reading
it to get a better feel on how to do the windows programming using
the wxeuphoria wrapper.
David
16. Re: A Beginner's Guide To Euphoria III (really!)
cklester wrote:
>
> FYI, everybody, I have a Euphoria/GUI tutorial posted to my Euphoria web site.
> Have a look and let me know what's missing... :)
>
> <a
> href="http://www.cklester.com/books/guiphoria/">http://www.cklester.com/books/guiphoria/</a>
>
> There's also a non-GUI Euphoria primer at
>
> <a
> href="http://www.cklester.com/books/jubilation/">http://www.cklester.com/books/jubilation/</a>
>
> -=ck
> "Programming in a state of EUPHORIA."
> <a
> href="http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/">http://www.cklester.com/euphoria/</a>
>
This is very good:
''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
Currently, there are two cross-platform GUI libraries available for Euphoria
programmers:
wxEuphoria (Matt Lewis, using the wxWidgets library))
EuGTK (Irv Mullins)
If you want to code solely for the Windows platform, you can use one of several
Euphoria GUI libraries:
Win32Lib (Derek Parnell, et. al.)
Win32 Engine (Bernie Ryan)
ARWEN (Mike)
EuWinGUI (Andrea Cini)
'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
I would like to see some discussion of the major differences in these libraries:
Win32Lib (Derek Parnell, et. al.)
Win32 Engine (Bernie Ryan)
ARWEN (Mike)
EuWinGUI (Andrea Cini)
WinClass (Al Getz)
Window.ew (Thomas Parslow (PatRat))
Win32r.ew (Dave Cuny and Matt Lewis)
Don Cole
SF
