1. Re: Ideas for next Eu [same mail, spell-checked, more readable]
----- Original Message -----
From: <nieuwen at XS4ALL.NL>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: Ideas for next Eu [same mail, spell-checked, more readable]
> Programs are about automation.You don't want to program. You want to be
able to say ..
> "eh like-doom, but eh .. the gun should look like .. and .. " ... or you
could just write the
> freaking engine yourself in Euphoria.
Why *not* have the gun accessable in some way from outside your program?
Will you re-write the entire game, including how the hand hold the gun, when
a new high tech zapper is the rage in violent games? <wince>
>Low-level access is a must. Think about it. Technically,
> you should be able to do anything with Euphoria. From any type of
algorithm to access to
> any part of the system.
Not in some OSs. You mess too low in win/*nix and you get trouble sooner or
later.
> > allow a less than optimum solution. Usually the problem is altered by
> > non-technical factors such as time, money, etc.
>
> Eh .. ok.
True, i am using nearly 100% cpu on one app atm, i can't use explorer, and
if i hadn't used a timer to start the main program, i couldn't even access
the desktop cause it got too busy to acknowledge the minimise window
command. I could use $ to put memory into the other puter so i can do real
multitasking across ethernet *now*. Hence, the solution is bounded by money
and time, and in a way, i had to redefine the problem to run on one
machine,, and the coding to handle the msgs between threads on one machine,
etc., so the problem was redefined too.
> Most of us are doing this Euphoria stuff for fun, or for little solid
tools and games We´re not
> creating huge tools like MS Word or complex internet browsers. Neither are
you. Neither
> are most of the programmers out there.
Me either :-\
I'm rather forced to use one language for one purpose, another to do
something else, a 3rd for etc.. and then play with linking them together,,
and i end up with a huge app that runs only on windoze (slowly) and can't be
debugged by anyone else. :-\
> important ...................... and Euphoria can't be great and be used
by the average user as
> well. It just doesn't work that way!
I disagree.
> The average user, uses average tools. The average music listener listens
to average music.
> And the average tree catches an average amount of wind. You're an
idealist, like most of us
> are, but you should be realistic as well. Euphoria's development is part
of Robert's income.
> We all want to change the world, but are _you_ risking your ass ?
Other languages do what some of us have asked for, how does excluding those
features help Robert's bank account?
> > corporation in the late 70s when b meant a big number and didn't make
> > anybody think of Bill Gates.
>
> Bill Gates got the average user involved in PC's.
> What does it got to do with us ?
Not that i appreciate the average "script kiddie" he helped put online....
<flamethrower on> Shoot, you may be embarrassed by your english, but from
what i can see, more people who do not use english as a primary language
speak it better online than the average user in the usa. <flamethrower off>
> > >>Insult was no part of my intent.
> > >>Progress is.
> > >
> > >Likewise with my comments.
>
> Likewise.
Ditto.
> > If the answer to the above critical question is YES, then I guess I will
> > try to pipe down and wait to see what Rob's next move is. I am not into
> > guru's or other such theocracies, no matter how God-like or capable,
> > so being dependent on the whim of a single person gives me gas.
>
> Learn C. Write your own language. Why not use this urge to independence as
a creative
> stimulus ?
Umm,, someone said a while back,, why reinvent the wheel? Funny, tho, i was
just saying last nite i was considering a Eu script to emulate something
else that does have gotos in it,, but it would take a lot of time away from
everything else i am doing. And to do it right, i'd prolly need to know as
much about Eu as Robert, and so it's more cost effective to convince him and
the rest of the Eu team of the need to do it.
Kat,
noting she is spending too much time on email.
