1. Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
Hi All,
Today I'm announcing the first alpha release of Damien version 0.01a.
Damien is an IDE for developing GUI programs using the Visual Euphoria
Library (VEL) and The Euphoria programming language. This software may be
downloaded from my WEB site at:
While this is truely an alpha release and may be somewhat buggy at times,
it can also be quite useful in producing fairly sophistocated GUI
applications. It contains many advanced features, although some features
are not yet implemented. By nature I'm a perfectionist and quite reluctant
to release anything that I don't feel is at a high level, but I realized
that to wait for pefection with this very complicated project, it would
never get released. So here it is... I hope you will try it and enjoy the
experience!!!
Happy programming... Gary.
2. Re: Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
- Posted by Ad Rienks <kwibus at ZONNET.NL>
Nov 09, 1999
-
Last edited Nov 10, 1999
Hi Gary,
WOW! Damien is beautiful, well worth the waiting for it! Before I downloaded
it, I first read the text on your website, and I thought: "Maybe a bit
overdone, the comparisons with Delphi and VB IDE's". But, as far as I can
see now, after maybe 15 minutes, Damien totally lives up to the expectations
for an alpha/beta release.
I think you're lucky that you didn't give up on VEL, when the reception
wasn't what you expected it to be. Now this product has to have a better
reception, I'm quite sure of that!
But, after the cheering, there always is a moment of contemplation, and then
you have to go back to the programming dungeon to get some bugs out and new
features in. Well, I found some (minor) bugs, here they are:
- You forgot to put vel005.e in the zip file.
- The editor doesn't accept TAB keys.
- When I ran a test program, all controls of the IDE disappeared, as they
should, except for the Form. I still was there in the background, only
unclickable and unclosable.
- The main form doesn't have the CENTERED attribute in the object inspector.
I'm sure these are minor bugs/omissions, that can be worked out quite
easily. But you surely deserve a big compliment for this excellent piece of
software.
Keep up the good work!
Ad Rienks
----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: Gary Dumer <dumer9354 at MY-DEJA.COM>
Aan: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Verzonden: dinsdag 9 november 1999 16:19
Onderwerp: Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
> Hi All,
>
> Today I'm announcing the first alpha release of Damien version 0.01a.
> Damien is an IDE for developing GUI programs using the Visual Euphoria
> Library (VEL) and The Euphoria programming language. This software may be
> downloaded from my WEB site at:
>
> http://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/atl/t/d/tdwalsh/damien.htm
>
> While this is truely an alpha release and may be somewhat buggy at times,
> it can also be quite useful in producing fairly sophistocated GUI
> applications. It contains many advanced features, although some features
> are not yet implemented. By nature I'm a perfectionist and quite reluctant
> to release anything that I don't feel is at a high level, but I realized
> that to wait for pefection with this very complicated project, it would
> never get released. So here it is... I hope you will try it and enjoy the
> experience!!!
>
> Happy programming... Gary.
3. Re: Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
Hi Ad,
Thanks for the compliments.
Ad Rienks <kwibus at ZONNET.NL> wrote:
>Hi Gary,
>
>WOW! Damien is beautiful, well worth the waiting for it! Before I
downloaded
>it, I first read the text on your website, and I thought: "Maybe a bit
>overdone, the comparisons with Delphi and VB IDE's". But, as far as I can
>see now, after maybe 15 minutes, Damien totally lives up to the
expectations
>for an alpha/beta release.
>I think you're lucky that you didn't give up on VEL, when the reception
>wasn't what you expected it to be. Now this product has to have a better
>reception, I'm quite sure of that!
>
>But, after the cheering, there always is a moment of contemplation, and
then
>you have to go back to the programming dungeon to get some bugs out and new
>features in. Well, I found some (minor) bugs, here they are:
>
>- You forgot to put vel005.e in the zip file.
vel005.e is included in the bound exe so you don't need it.
>- The editor doesn't accept TAB keys.
I'll look into this.
>- When I ran a test program, all controls of the IDE disappeared, as they
>should, except for the Form. I still was there in the background, only
>unclickable and unclosable.
The form that you see without the IDE is your program being executed. When
you're finished, just close it and the IDE returns.
>- The main form doesn't have the CENTERED attribute in the object
inspector.
>
Do you mean CENTERFORM, because it's there?
>I'm sure these are minor bugs/omissions, that can be worked out quite
>easily. But you surely deserve a big compliment for this excellent piece of
>software.
>
>Keep up the good work!
>
>Ad Rienks
Thanks again... Gary.
4. Re: Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
- Posted by Ad Rienks <kwibus at ZONNET.NL>
Nov 09, 1999
-
Last edited Nov 10, 1999
Hi Gary,
----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: Gary Dumer <dumer9354 at MY-DEJA.COM>
Aan: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Verzonden: dinsdag 9 november 1999 21:16
Onderwerp: Re: Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
> Hi Ad,
>
> Thanks for the compliments.
>
> Ad Rienks <kwibus at ZONNET.NL> wrote:
>
> >Hi Gary,
> >
> >WOW! Damien is beautiful, well worth the waiting for it! Before I
> downloaded
> >it, I first read the text on your website, and I thought: "Maybe a bit
> >overdone, the comparisons with Delphi and VB IDE's". But, as far as I can
> >see now, after maybe 15 minutes, Damien totally lives up to the
> expectations
> >for an alpha/beta release.
> >I think you're lucky that you didn't give up on VEL, when the reception
> >wasn't what you expected it to be. Now this product has to have a better
> >reception, I'm quite sure of that!
> >
> >But, after the cheering, there always is a moment of contemplation, and
> then
> >you have to go back to the programming dungeon to get some bugs out and
new
> >features in. Well, I found some (minor) bugs, here they are:
> >
> >- You forgot to put vel005.e in the zip file.
>
> vel005.e is included in the bound exe so you don't need it.
But then the programs you developed should be developed in another
directory, that contains vel005.e
> >- The editor doesn't accept TAB keys.
>
> I'll look into this.
>
> >- When I ran a test program, all controls of the IDE disappeared, as they
> >should, except for the Form. I still was there in the background, only
> >unclickable and unclosable.
>
> The form that you see without the IDE is your program being executed. When
> you're finished, just close it and the IDE returns.
No, that is not what I mean; there is the original Form1 in the background,
next to the program, that is executing.
> >- The main form doesn't have the CENTERED attribute in the object
> inspector.
> >
>
> Do you mean CENTERFORM, because it's there?
Yes, I saw it; my mistake!
Ad
5. Re: Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
Hi Ad,
You're right about vel005.e, it should be in the Damien directory if that's
where you're going to save the file. The vel005 file from the bleeding edge
download may be used until I upload a new version of Damien.
As far as the design form remaining in the background, what problem is that
causing?
Gary.
Ad Rienks <kwibus at ZONNET.NL> wrote:
>Hi Gary,
>
>----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
>Van: Gary Dumer <dumer9354 at MY-DEJA.COM>
>Aan: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
>Verzonden: dinsdag 9 november 1999 21:16
>Onderwerp: Re: Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
>
>
>> Hi Ad,
>>
>> Thanks for the compliments.
>>
>> Ad Rienks <kwibus at ZONNET.NL> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi Gary,
>> >
>> >WOW! Damien is beautiful, well worth the waiting for it! Before I
>> downloaded
>> >it, I first read the text on your website, and I thought: "Maybe a bit
>> >overdone, the comparisons with Delphi and VB IDE's". But, as far as I
can
>> >see now, after maybe 15 minutes, Damien totally lives up to the
>> expectations
>> >for an alpha/beta release.
>> >I think you're lucky that you didn't give up on VEL, when the reception
>> >wasn't what you expected it to be. Now this product has to have a better
>> >reception, I'm quite sure of that!
>> >
>> >But, after the cheering, there always is a moment of contemplation, and
>> then
>> >you have to go back to the programming dungeon to get some bugs out and
>new
>> >features in. Well, I found some (minor) bugs, here they are:
>> >
>> >- You forgot to put vel005.e in the zip file.
>>
>> vel005.e is included in the bound exe so you don't need it.
>
>But then the programs you developed should be developed in another
>directory, that contains vel005.e
>
>> >- The editor doesn't accept TAB keys.
>>
>> I'll look into this.
>>
>> >- When I ran a test program, all controls of the IDE disappeared, as
they
>> >should, except for the Form. I still was there in the background, only
>> >unclickable and unclosable.
>>
>> The form that you see without the IDE is your program being executed.
When
>> you're finished, just close it and the IDE returns.
>
>No, that is not what I mean; there is the original Form1 in the background,
>next to the program, that is executing.
>
>> >- The main form doesn't have the CENTERED attribute in the object
>> inspector.
>> >
>>
>> Do you mean CENTERFORM, because it's there?
>
>Yes, I saw it; my mistake!
>
>Ad
6. Re: Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
----- Original Message -----
From: Ad Rienks <kwibus at ZONNET.NL>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
> Hi Gary,
>
> WOW! Damien is beautiful, well worth the waiting for it! Before I
downloaded
> it, I first read the text on your website, and I thought: "Maybe a bit
> overdone, the comparisons with Delphi and VB IDE's". But, as far as I can
> see now, after maybe 15 minutes, Damien totally lives up to the
expectations
> for an alpha/beta release.
> I think you're lucky that you didn't give up on VEL, when the reception
> wasn't what you expected it to be. Now this product has to have a better
> reception, I'm quite sure of that!
>
> But, after the cheering, there always is a moment of contemplation, and
then
> you have to go back to the programming dungeon to get some bugs out and
new
> features in. Well, I found some (minor) bugs, here they are:
>
> - You forgot to put vel005.e in the zip file.
> - The editor doesn't accept TAB keys.
> - When I ran a test program, all controls of the IDE disappeared, as they
> should, except for the Form. I still was there in the background, only
> unclickable and unclosable.
> - The main form doesn't have the CENTERED attribute in the object
inspector.
>
> I'm sure these are minor bugs/omissions, that can be worked out quite
> easily. But you surely deserve a big compliment for this excellent piece
of
> software.
>
> Keep up the good work!
>
> Ad Rienks
>
> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> Van: Gary Dumer <dumer9354 at MY-DEJA.COM>
> Aan: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Verzonden: dinsdag 9 november 1999 16:19
> Onderwerp: Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Today I'm announcing the first alpha release of Damien version 0.01a.
> > Damien is an IDE for developing GUI programs using the Visual Euphoria
> > Library (VEL) and The Euphoria programming language. This software may
be
> > downloaded from my WEB site at:
> >
> > http://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/atl/t/d/tdwalsh/damien.htm
> >
> > While this is truely an alpha release and may be somewhat buggy at
times,
> > it can also be quite useful in producing fairly sophistocated GUI
> > applications. It contains many advanced features, although some features
> > are not yet implemented. By nature I'm a perfectionist and quite
reluctant
> > to release anything that I don't feel is at a high level, but I realized
> > that to wait for pefection with this very complicated project, it would
> > never get released. So here it is... I hope you will try it and enjoy
the
> > experience!!!
> >
> > Happy programming... Gary.
7. Re: Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
Sorry for my previous mail, quoting Ad in full without comment.
I promise not to use Outlook Depressed any more.
I agree, Damien has a lot of promise. The design looks good.
Whenever I try to build an actual program, however, I get various
Access Violation messages from Windows, caused by the dll.
This isn't a complaint, just a question: isn't it going to be extremely
difficult to find and fix these sorts of bugs? Only Gary knows what's
in the DLL, and the error messages Windows returns are not likely to
be very helpful.
Regards,
Irv
8. Re: Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
Hi Irv,
If you could walk me through your creation process, I may be able to trace
to the problem. I'm trapping for just about every error I can think of in
the VEL dll. And remember, this is the first release of Damien, so there
will be some growing pains. I'm always open to ideas.
Gary.
Irv Mullins <irv at ELLIJAY.COM> wrote:
>Sorry for my previous mail, quoting Ad in full without comment.
>I promise not to use Outlook Depressed any more.
>
>I agree, Damien has a lot of promise. The design looks good.
>Whenever I try to build an actual program, however, I get various
>Access Violation messages from Windows, caused by the dll.
>
>This isn't a complaint, just a question: isn't it going to be extremely
>difficult to find and fix these sorts of bugs? Only Gary knows what's
>in the DLL, and the error messages Windows returns are not likely to
>be very helpful.
>
>Regards,
>Irv
9. Re: Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
- Posted by Ad Rienks <kwibus at ZONNET.NL>
Nov 10, 1999
-
Last edited Nov 11, 1999
Hi Gary,
I don't have any problem with the design form in the background, as long as
it does not interfere with the present application. But if it is there by
design, why not change the Caption (temporarily) to reflect the name of the
design program, Damien?
P.S. Am I right, was Damien a Belgian priest in some Third World countries,
who did quite a lot for the development of the poor people overthere?
Ad
----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: Gary Dumer <dumer9354 at MY-DEJA.COM>
Aan: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Verzonden: woensdag 10 november 1999 0:20
Onderwerp: Re: Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
> Hi Ad,
>
> You're right about vel005.e, it should be in the Damien directory if
that's
> where you're going to save the file. The vel005 file from the bleeding
edge
> download may be used until I upload a new version of Damien.
>
> As far as the design form remaining in the background, what problem is
that
> causing?
>
> Gary.
10. Re: Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
Hi Ad,
You're right... Father Damien, born in Tremeloo, Belgium in 1860 spent most
of his entire religious life ministering to the lepers on Molokai, Hawaii
until his death at age 46 after contracting Hansen's desease during his
ministry there. My sister-in-law (Sr. Marie Damian) admired him greatly and
dedicated her life to her faith until her recent death.
I dedicate this project to her.
Gary.
Ad Rienks <kwibus at ZONNET.NL> wrote:
>Hi Gary,
>
>I don't have any problem with the design form in the background, as long as
>it does not interfere with the present application. But if it is there by
>design, why not change the Caption (temporarily) to reflect the name of the
>design program, Damien?
>
>P.S. Am I right, was Damien a Belgian priest in some Third World countries,
>who did quite a lot for the development of the poor people overthere?
>
>Ad
>
>----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
>Van: Gary Dumer <dumer9354 at MY-DEJA.COM>
>Aan: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
>Verzonden: woensdag 10 november 1999 0:20
>Onderwerp: Re: Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
>
>
>> Hi Ad,
>>
>> You're right about vel005.e, it should be in the Damien directory if
>that's
>> where you're going to save the file. The vel005 file from the bleeding
>edge
>> download may be used until I upload a new version of Damien.
>>
>> As far as the design form remaining in the background, what problem is
>that
>> causing?
>>
>> Gary.
11. Re: Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
Hi Gary,
Just a general question. I'm having several problems getting programs
to work after I've written them in Damien. Error messages about
constants, errors from the dll, and, in short, nothing I've written
has actually worked after I've saved it. Am I missing something (some
set up option, or obscure bit of info)? I'm new to Euphoria, but
saving a file and then doubling clicking on it is pretty standard.
I did see the message about having to save files in the same directory
with vel005.e and I tried that. When I ran that one I got this
message:
G:\EUPHORIA\PROGRAMS\DAMIEN\EUPHORIA\DAMIEN\GUITTAB.EXW:165
Syntax erro - expected to see an expression, not 'constan'
constant RichEditor1 = CreateControl(RICHEDITOR, Form1)
^
Thanks for any pointers.
Jonathan mailto:jcchina at bigfoot.com
12. Re: Announcing Damien v0.01a -- The IDE for VEL
- Posted by Gary Dumer <dumer9354 at MY-DEJA.COM>
Nov 10, 1999
-
Last edited Nov 11, 1999
Hi Jonathon,
Could you please send the program you generated and saved? That should give
me an idea of what is going on. Send it to: dumer9354 at my-deja.com
Thanks... Gary.
Jonathan Craft <jcchina at BIGFOOT.COM> wrote:
>Hi Gary,
>
>Just a general question. I'm having several problems getting programs
>to work after I've written them in Damien. Error messages about
>constants, errors from the dll, and, in short, nothing I've written
>has actually worked after I've saved it. Am I missing something (some
>set up option, or obscure bit of info)? I'm new to Euphoria, but
>saving a file and then doubling clicking on it is pretty standard.
>
>I did see the message about having to save files in the same directory
>with vel005.e and I tried that. When I ran that one I got this
>message:
> G:\EUPHORIA\PROGRAMS\DAMIEN\EUPHORIA\DAMIEN\GUITTAB.EXW:165
> Syntax erro - expected to see an expression, not 'constan'
> constant RichEditor1 = CreateControl(RICHEDITOR, Form1)
> ^
>
>Thanks for any pointers.
>
>
>
>
> Jonathan mailto:jcchina at bigfoot.com
