1. One more word
- Posted by a.tammer at hetnet.nl
May 28, 2002
Hi all,
This is the time for me to really come out of the closet I=
guess.
I'm bright, I exactly know how bright, and I only will share=
this
with a very limited group of people, because, whatever I say, it
makes me feel uncomfortable to tell all of it, and my parents=
told
me, as a child, to be modest.
I still kind of obey to that childhood-law. But I could prove it=
if you
wish so, I won't let me challenge however.
I've met three names on the net, I accept to be my peers, or=
even
my superiors, in their specific field of knowledge.
!) Robert Craig, I bow my head for his mind, tenacity,=
dedication
and patience and the immense effort he has put in Euphoria.
2) Derek Parnell, Guy, though you don't seem to be willing to
answer my personal post, I hold you high, for all the work you
did and do on Win32.lib. I had to write it Derek, I'm sorry you
seem to have cut me off, Ask Rob if you're right or I am.
3) Last but not least Meow, you Kat, for the invaluable help
you gave me on WWW/IRC etc.
I've met some others I like, CKLester, PeteLomax,Euler German
Ricardo Forno, Carl White and yes Karl Bochert you too, despite
bit of butt-kicking your way, as well and all those of you in=
Mid-
and Eastern-Europe, and last Jon, you can count yourself in as=
well.
Oh Yes you Kiwi, I almost forgot you.
To all those upto here I offer my friendship and dedication and=
if
possible help.
All others: I don't really have an opinion on you yet, as i've=
exchanged
no direct mail with you on whatever subject.
I really got angry during the Future of Euphoria-thread. You will=
have
so after my last post. I'm NOT GONNA APOLOGISE THIS TIME.
EUrs
antoine tammer
2. Re: One more word
>Oh Yes you Kiwi, I almost forgot you.
No, we have not met. You just sent me an email, which I politely ignored!
Rob: can't you see, this is MTS resurrected. Please, excise the rubbish
before it causes any more harm.
jiri
3. Re: One more word
- Posted by a.tammer at hetnet.nl
May 28, 2002
Well Jiri, and all of you guys 'buking and scorning me, there's=
no greater wrong you can do me than that.
Please, Martin, Euler, Pete, Carl and CK, don't you see I need at=
least one voice to speak for me , with what
YOU KNOW about me and my intentions??
4. Re: One more word
- Posted by a.tammer at hetnet.nl
May 28, 2002
Any one scorning and 'buking me is invited to the chatroom now,=
and hear me explain once more. Guys you're fighting somebody who=
could very well become a great friend, with an excellent feeling=
for loyalty, I'll be waiting there for ten minutes. It's early=
morning in Holland and I haven't had a wink yet.
Antoine
5. Re: One more word
- Posted by euman at bellsouth.net
May 28, 2002
: <a.tammer at hetnet.nl>
Antoine did you say you were 4 or 5 yrs old?
cause if your 5 then maybe you should act like it...hmmm?
I learned people dont give a shit about what you think you
know but what you actually do know. I also dont see this
EuCon (conference) ever happening. Euphoria is a very nice
TOY language but hardly has anything worth people paying
money to meet and discuss.
Show me the Money!
(Books Deals, Mega-Money Games, Multi-Million Dollar
Database managment systems, etc..etc) then maybe I'll come.
Euman
6. Re: One more word
- Posted by rforno at tutopia.com
May 30, 2002
I agree with you, Jonas.
Moreover, subscripts out of bounds, hanging pointers, unintended variable
overlaps, and other "features", are a nightmare under C/C++.
Also, has anyone consider the possibility of using Euphoria as a pseudo-code
variant, one that is executable?
And what about using Euphoria as the first language for beginners? I am now
teaching C/C++ as the first language in an University here in Buenos Aires,
and I am finding that this is really difficult for beginners. You are not
devoting your time to teach algorithms and basic programming techniques, but
to peculiarities of the language. Now I am proposing a workshop for teachers
in this University, dealing with Euphoria, trying to convince them to teach
it to beginners.
Regards.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonas Temple" <jktemple at yhti.net>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 11:12 AM
Subject: RE: One more word
>
> Euman,
>
> The EuCon thing was just a joke I came up with one day in a silly mood.
>
> I would also like to say that I, for one, certainly don't consider
> Euphoria a toy language. Why? Well, consider this:
>
> 1. How many times has the core language contributed to your PC locking
> up? Sure, if you're linking to dll's and pass incorrect parameters that
> can happen but I've never had Eu lock up my PC by itself.
> 2. Back in my C++ days I used a Borland db tool called DBE. You could
> read/write Paradox, DBase and ODBC tables with one set of API calls.
> Can't tell you how many times I had to reboot my PC after a call to the
> API resulted in a crash.
> 3. Memory management is nothing but a pain in C++. Can't tell you how
> many frustrating hours I spent tracking down bugs related to my poor
> memory management skills.
> 4. How many other languages produce such a verbose program dump when you
> have an error in your code? (I know of one other language that does
> this).
>
> I guess this is all to say "use the best tool for the job". If I were
> to go out and buy a $2,500 table saw to make a bird house that's
> overkill. If I go out and buy a $2,500 table saw to make a complete
> dining room set that's probably a good investment. I certainly would
> have to strongly consider if I wanted to use Euphoria for an extremely
> large scale project but if I'm working on something less complex it
> probably would be the best choice.
>
> With that in mind, I'm considering re-writing my Recipe Organizer
> (written in C++) into Euphoria and packaging it as a truly commercial
> app written in Euphoria and then contributing. I'm considering this
> mostly because of other posts that state a lack of "final form" apps
> written in Euphoria (which I tend to agree with somewhat).
>
> Well, enough rant for now.
>
> Jonas
> euman at bellsouth.net wrote:
> > I learned people dont give a shit about what you think you
> > know but what you actually do know. I also dont see this
> > EuCon (conference) ever happening. Euphoria is a very nice
> > TOY language but hardly has anything worth people paying
> > money to meet and discuss.
>
>
>
>
