1. RE: One more word
a.tammer at hetnet.nl wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This is the time for me to really come out of the closet I guess.
> I'm bright, I exactly know how bright, and I only will share this
> with a very limited group of people, because, whatever I say, it
> makes me feel uncomfortable to tell all of it, and my parents told
> me, as a child, to be modest.
This is modesty?
> I still kind of obey to that childhood-law. But I could prove it if you
> wish so, I won't let me challenge however.
> I've met three names on the net, I accept to be my peers, or even
> my superiors, in their specific field of knowledge.
>
> !) Robert Craig, I bow my head for his mind, tenacity, dedication
> and patience and the immense effort he has put in Euphoria.
>
> 2) Derek Parnell, Guy, though you don't seem to be willing to
> answer my personal post, I hold you high, for all the work you
> did and do on Win32.lib. I had to write it Derek, I'm sorry you
> seem to have cut me off, Ask Rob if you're right or I am.
>
> 3) Last but not least Meow, you Kat, for the invaluable help
> you gave me on WWW/IRC etc.
>
> I've met some others I like, CKLester, PeteLomax,Euler German
> Ricardo Forno, Carl White and yes Karl Bochert you too, despite
> bit of butt-kicking your way, as well and all those of you in Mid-
> and Eastern-Europe, and last Jon, you can count yourself in as well.
> Oh Yes you Kiwi, I almost forgot you.
> To all those upto here I offer my friendship and dedication and if
> possible help.
>
> All others: I don't really have an opinion on you yet, as i've exchanged
> no direct mail with you on whatever subject.
>
> I really got angry during the Future of Euphoria-thread. You will have
> so after my last post. I'm NOT GONNA APOLOGISE THIS TIME.
>
> EUrs
>
> antoine tammer
>
>
>
2. RE: One more word
- Posted by a.tammer at hetnet.nl
May 28, 2002
Dear Chriss,
You really piss me off. Believe me IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BASTA
ANTOINE
3. RE: One more word
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> Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2002 5:07
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> Subject: One more word
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>
> 2) Derek Parnell, Guy, though you don't seem to be willing to
> answer my personal post, I hold you high, for all the work you
> did and do on Win32.lib. I had to write it Derek, I'm sorry you
> seem to have cut me off, Ask Rob if you're right or I am.
What "personal post"? I haven't received anything from you Antoine? If you
are sending anything to ddparnell at bigpond.com then you will have to wait
until the weekend as I can only get access to that mailbox from home, and
during the week I'm working interstate.
I haven't "cut you off". I've had no need to communicate with you. Have you
asked me something? There is nothing I need to ask or tell you. I do not
understand why you are denigrating me and why you are do it publicly? I am
at a loss to explain your behaviour.
And what am I to ask Rob about? What are you talking about, Antoine? - "if
you're right or I am" - About what? I really do not know what you are
talking about!
If I can be of service then please let me know. My work on win32lib is
trivial in comparison to its real authors - David Cuny, Matthew Lewis, and
the many others who have made sound contributions. I am an editor,
publisher, and student in this matter.
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Derek.
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4. RE: One more word
- Posted by a.tammer at hetnet.nl
May 28, 2002
Sorry Derek, apparently I do owe you an apology, I thought, as=
you appear quite often on the forum, with your replys to other=
people, and your email-add there is in my addbook as the=
bigpond_one, you would have received my mails.
It's all about your personal reaction, and the way i thought, i=
should interpret it, when I kind of made my first real stupid=
move on this forum. Hope it will be my last, but doubt that a=
little.
As I've given you my apology in public, i'll keep my patience=
till this weekend, when we might be able to clear the skies=
between us (if there are any clouds left by then), no need to=
clutter the forum with that
Please, i ask you to accept my sincere apology in front of this=
forum, and let it rest till the weekend.
Regards Antoine
5. RE: One more word
I don't get much into bickering. I don't even know why Derek got all
huffy-puffy about what you wrote. Didn't seem offensive to me. However, I'm
not easily upset or moved to high emotion over words. Threaten my children
in my presence and I might kill you, but call me names or insult my mother
online and I yawn and go on with my life. I hope that the many members of
this forum can learn to do the same.
>
>
>
6. RE: One more word
Euman,
The EuCon thing was just a joke I came up with one day in a silly mood.
I would also like to say that I, for one, certainly don't consider
Euphoria a toy language. Why? Well, consider this:
1. How many times has the core language contributed to your PC locking
up? Sure, if you're linking to dll's and pass incorrect parameters that
can happen but I've never had Eu lock up my PC by itself.
2. Back in my C++ days I used a Borland db tool called DBE. You could
read/write Paradox, DBase and ODBC tables with one set of API calls.
Can't tell you how many times I had to reboot my PC after a call to the
API resulted in a crash.
3. Memory management is nothing but a pain in C++. Can't tell you how
many frustrating hours I spent tracking down bugs related to my poor
memory management skills.
4. How many other languages produce such a verbose program dump when you
have an error in your code? (I know of one other language that does
this).
I guess this is all to say "use the best tool for the job". If I were
to go out and buy a $2,500 table saw to make a bird house that's
overkill. If I go out and buy a $2,500 table saw to make a complete
dining room set that's probably a good investment. I certainly would
have to strongly consider if I wanted to use Euphoria for an extremely
large scale project but if I'm working on something less complex it
probably would be the best choice.
With that in mind, I'm considering re-writing my Recipe Organizer
(written in C++) into Euphoria and packaging it as a truly commercial
app written in Euphoria and then contributing. I'm considering this
mostly because of other posts that state a lack of "final form" apps
written in Euphoria (which I tend to agree with somewhat).
Well, enough rant for now.
Jonas
euman at bellsouth.net wrote:
> I learned people dont give a shit about what you think you
> know but what you actually do know. I also dont see this
> EuCon (conference) ever happening. Euphoria is a very nice
> TOY language but hardly has anything worth people paying
> money to meet and discuss.
