1. and or not ( ) "" in euforum search
Hi Robert,
May I suggest a simple improvement to the Euforum search function ?
Add operators like and, not, or ( ) and " " to the query.
It will turn the search option into a very useful resource.
I say "simple" because I just added this kind of=20
service to a big text database that
I=B4m working on and I have obtained very nice=20
results, and the process does not slow down
very much, a critical problem in cgis.
Searches like ("blue ball" and golf) not=20
"yellow ball" could be made, resulting in very
especific results.
Sometimes it=B4s very dificult to find something in 1000 answers in euforum=
.
Best regards,
Rubens
2. Re: and or not ( ) "" in euforum search
Rubens wrote:
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> May I suggest a simple improvement to the Euforum search function ?
>
> Add operators like and, not, or ( ) and " " to the query.
I would like to second this request, I know that quotes (" ") are already
supported but I am frequently frustrated by the lack of 'and' at least. Its
difficult to search the forum when one word may produce 1000 hits and the
addition of second word increases the number of hits, instead of reducing them...
Regards Pete
3. Re: and or not ( ) "" in euforum search
- Posted by Robert Craig <rds at RapidEuphoria.com>
Jul 06, 2005
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Last edited Jul 07, 2005
Pete Stoner wrote:
> Rubens wrote:
> snipped
> > May I suggest a simple improvement to the Euforum search function ?
> >
> > Add operators like and, not, or ( ) and " " to the query.
>
> I would like to second this request, I know that quotes (" ") are already
> supported
> but I am frequently frustrated by the lack of 'and' at least. Its difficult to
> search
> the forum when one word may produce 1000 hits and the addition of second word
> increases
> the number of hits, instead of reducing them...
If you follow the "Powered by Euphoria" link, you'll see that
the scoring system already does "and" (more or less),
in that messages that match all the search words will
generally come first, followed by partial matches.
Since this question keeps coming up, I might change it so
that 100% of the full matches come before any partial matches,
and I'll tell you at the start how many of each type there are,
and I'll make a title, or somehow label the partial matches. That way
people who want "and" can stop reading when they get to the
partial matches. People who want "or" can keep reading.
It doesn't take me any more time to generate the extra results.
Personally, I don't recall ever using "not" in a search engine.
I rarely use any logical connectives on Google.
Regards,
Rob Craig
Rapid Deployment Software
http://www.RapidEuphoria.com
4. Re: and or not ( ) "" in euforum search
- Posted by Pete Stoner <stoner.pete at gmail.com>
Jul 06, 2005
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Last edited Jul 07, 2005
Robert Craig wrote:
>
> Pete Stoner wrote:
> > Rubens wrote:
> > snipped
> > > May I suggest a simple improvement to the Euforum search function ?
> > >
> > > Add operators like and, not, or ( ) and " " to the query.
> >
> > I would like to second this request, I know that quotes (" ") are
> > already supported but I am frequently frustrated by the lack of 'and' at > >
> > least. Its difficult to search the forum when one word may produce 1000
> > hits and the addition of second word increases the number of hits,
> > instead of reducing them...
>
> If you follow the "Powered by Euphoria" link, you'll see that
> the scoring system already does "and" (more or less),
> in that messages that match all the search words will
> generally come first, followed by partial matches.
>
> Since this question keeps coming up, I might change it so
> that 100% of the full matches come before any partial matches,
> and I'll tell you at the start how many of each type there are,
> and I'll make a title, or somehow label the partial matches. That way
> people who want "and" can stop reading when they get to the
> partial matches. People who want "or" can keep reading.
> It doesn't take me any more time to generate the extra results.
>
> Personally, I don't recall ever using "not" in a search engine.
> I rarely use any logical connectives on Google.
>
> Regards,
> Rob Craig
> Rapid Deployment Software
> <a href="http://www.RapidEuphoria.com">http://www.RapidEuphoria.com</a>
>
If full matches do not all come first that is the crux of the problem. When
adding more search words continually increases the number of hits, with the risk
that the hit you want could be buried further it can become impossible..
Personally I'd be happy to have *all* the full matches first with a label
seperating them from the partials as an added bonus..
Regards Pete
5. Re: and or not ( ) "" in euforum search
- Posted by Rubens <rml at rubis.trix.net>
Jul 06, 2005
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Last edited Jul 07, 2005
Hi Robert,
Thanks for the attention.
I think the example below shows the problem.
Try a search with this itens:
all years
listview settext color
I have here:
matched 7175 of 70788 messages
First point: How many of them contains the tree words ?
Second point: Scoring
Look at message number 7:
contais only "color"
Message number 8 contais listview, color and settext....
So I have to look all the 7175 messages to see
what I want...
I still think the use of operators could be a very usefull
tool.
Best Regards,
Rubens
At 18:22 6/7/2005, you wrote:
>
>
>posted by: Robert Craig <rds at RapidEuphoria.com>
>
>Pete Stoner wrote:
> > Rubens wrote:
> > snipped
> > > May I suggest a simple improvement to the Euforum search function ?
> > >
> > > Add operators like and, not, or ( ) and " " to the query.
> >
> > I would like to second this request, I know that quotes (" ")
> are already supported
> > but I am frequently frustrated by the lack of 'and' at least. Its
> difficult to search
> > the forum when one word may produce 1000 hits and the addition of
> second word increases
> > the number of hits, instead of reducing them...
>
>If you follow the "Powered by Euphoria" link, you'll see that
>the scoring system already does "and" (more or less),
>in that messages that match all the search words will
>generally come first, followed by partial matches.
>
>Since this question keeps coming up, I might change it so
>that 100% of the full matches come before any partial matches,
>and I'll tell you at the start how many of each type there are,
>and I'll make a title, or somehow label the partial matches. That way
>people who want "and" can stop reading when they get to the
>partial matches. People who want "or" can keep reading.
>It doesn't take me any more time to generate the extra results.
>
>Personally, I don't recall ever using "not" in a search engine.
>I rarely use any logical connectives on Google.
>
>Regards,
> Rob Craig
> Rapid Deployment Software
> http://www.RapidEuphoria.com
>
>
>
6. Re: and or not ( ) "" in euforum search
Robert Craig wrote:
> Personally, I don't recall ever using "not" in a search engine.
> I rarely use any logical connectives on Google.
For what it's worth, I use "not" (the minus sign) quite often in
Google. When I get too many hits, and it's clear that many of them are
based around some other premise, I just take them all out with a "not".
--
Craig
