1. RE: Notworking, and other Networking thingies
- Posted by bensler at mail.com
Feb 24, 2002
mistertrik at hotmail.com wrote:
> I got me a network, so I'm very excited about that.
>
> Q1. The only problem is that although I have print and filesharing set
> up
> nicely, I can't get proxy internet access working properly.
> My computers names are: Main (with modem), MrTrick
> Workgroup is: Asylum
> I think that I need to set the proxy address in the internet wizard.
> I tried setting it (on Mrtrick) to Port: 80, Address: Main, for all
> protocols, but internet isn't working. Also, no network games are
> working.
> Any suggestions, or links?
>
>
> Q2. With aforesaid network up and running properly... how can two
> separate
> programs communicate between each other, either both running off the
> same
> machine, or on separate computers.
> Now with this question it must be said I know absolutely nothing about
> 'machine codes' or 'interrupt requests' or 'c procs'.
> Is it possible to do in euphoria, if not why not, and what is the
> simplest
> alternate solution.
>
> cheers
> =====================================================
> .______<-------------------\__
> / _____<--------------------__|===
> ||_ <-------------------/
> \__| Mr Trick
Q1:
What OS are you using?
Do you have a hub? While it IS possible, you'll have an EXTREMELY
difficult time getting your network online without one (Your server
would need 2 NICs, and it's hair pulling trying to get them both
working, on win98 anyways :) ).
I don't have a hub, so I have yet to get as far as setting up proxies.
Can't help ya there.
Most games use IPX protocol, which isn't installed by default. You'll
need to go into your network settings and add that protocol for each
machine.
Q2:
euTCP4u works very well. I have IRCplus(IRC server) on one machine, and
my IRC chat program using euTCP4u on another. No problem.
> how can two separate
> programs communicate between each other, either both running off the
> same
> machine, or on separate computers.
What do you mean on the same machine? Generally you wouldn't use a
networking protocol to do this. Just guessing, you would normally use
windows messaging to handle intraprogram communications.
If you mean for testing a network program using just one machine, you
can set the client and server addresses to 127.0.0.1(Local machine)
Chris
2. RE: Notworking, and other Networking thingies
>Q1:
>What OS are you using?
>Do you have a hub? While it IS possible, you'll have an EXTREMELY
>difficult time getting your network online without one (Your server
>would need 2 NICs, and it's hair pulling trying to get them both
>working, on win98 anyways :) ).
>I don't have a hub, so I have yet to get as far as setting up proxies.
>Can't help ya there.
>Most games use IPX protocol, which isn't installed by default. You'll
>need to go into your network settings and add that protocol for each
>machine.
Running Win98 1st edition on both machines...
Netgear 5 port 10mbps hub.
10/100 cards and cable
Netgear had some software that set up the file and print sharing pretty much
automatically. Also, whenever I try to do something about the problem, it
comes with an error message about security issues, and how I should disable
file/print sharing when I connect to the internet.
In IE, I go to Internet options, and go from there to try and set it up. I
get a window asking me to put in addresses and ports for each different
protocol, and I have set them all to Main 80. Still not working.
How is IPX added?
Thx
++++++++++++++++++++++
My signature is broken
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Mr Trick
3. RE: Notworking, and other Networking thingies
- Posted by bensler at mail.com
Feb 24, 2002
mistertrik at hotmail.com wrote:
> >Q1:
> >What OS are you using?
> >Do you have a hub? While it IS possible, you'll have an EXTREMELY
> >difficult time getting your network online without one (Your server
> >would need 2 NICs, and it's hair pulling trying to get them both
> >working, on win98 anyways :) ).
> >I don't have a hub, so I have yet to get as far as setting up proxies.
> >Can't help ya there.
> >Most games use IPX protocol, which isn't installed by default. You'll
> >need to go into your network settings and add that protocol for each
> >machine.
Mr trick wrote:
> Running Win98 1st edition on both machines...
> Netgear 5 port 10mbps hub.
> 10/100 cards and cable
>
> Netgear had some software that set up the file and print sharing pretty
> much
> automatically. Also, whenever I try to do something about the problem,
> it
> comes with an error message about security issues, and how I should
> disable
> file/print sharing when I connect to the internet.
Alot of viruses spread through shared files and folders, it's a good
idea to disable it. Or at LEAST be EXTRA careful.
I've already gone through it. Both of my computers were infected with a
virus. I had to wipe both computers and reinstall. I think the virus is
still dormant on some of my old backup disks.
>
> In IE, I go to Internet options, and go from there to try and set it up.
> I
> get a window asking me to put in addresses and ports for each different
> protocol, and I have set them all to Main 80. Still not working.
>
I think that's for firewall proxies.
The settings you need to change aren't in Internet Options. You need to
go into Network Neighbourhood properties. However, network config isn't
for the faint of heart. Expect to run into alot of problems.
Look on the internet for wingate proxy server. I found the installation
instructions to be very useful.
I'm nowhere near an expert, or even very knowledgable about networking.
So I can't help you more than that.
> How is IPX added?
In Network Neighbourhood Properties. From the Configuration Tab, choose
Add..>Protocol>Add..>Microsoft>IPX/SPX-compatible protocol
If you want to email me personally, I can help you work your way through
it a little better, but you best bet is to find someone who has more
experience with networking. I've corresponded with numerous network
admins on the subject over the past 3 months, and I still haven't got my
network online (but I don't have a hub, I'm using dual NICs in my server
with a crossover cable *shrug*).
One thing they all told me, is that win9X isn't very suitable for a
server, and you'll be lucky to get it to work. Get winNT or better than
win98. I still think I can get it working from '98 though :).
Chris
4. RE: Notworking, and other Networking thingies
bensler at mail.com wrote:
> > Running Win98 1st edition on both machines...
You should download the update to second edition. Download should
be available from microsoft somewhere!!!
> One thing they all told me, is that win9X isn't very suitable for a
> server, and you'll be lucky to get it to work. Get winNT or better than
> win98. I still think I can get it working from '98 though :).
I use a peer-to-peer network with 98 without any problems.
You don't really think of your network as having a server .. more
like each computer uses the others files and printers.
I have found no problems at all.
I don't use the network heavily, just to copy a file or two every now
and then, a print a document every other week.
My wife and I used to play lots of 3d shooters on our network
which was lots of fun ... until we ran out of games we could play on
our old computers!
I needed to change some setting in IPX config to get DOS games to run
correctly (something like the protocaol to 802.3 or 802.2??? can't
remember off the top of my head.)
I use thin ethernet cable and so don't need a hub.
I even had a linux box on my network at one stage but for whatever
reason (I can't remember) I stuffed it and now can't get it working :(
Ray Smith
http://rays-web.com
5. RE: Notworking, and other Networking thingies
- Posted by bensler at mail.com
Feb 24, 2002
Ray Smith wrote:
>
> bensler at mail.com wrote:
> > > Running Win98 1st edition on both machines...
>
> You should download the update to second edition. Download should
> be available from microsoft somewhere!!!
>
> > One thing they all told me, is that win9X isn't very suitable for a
> > server, and you'll be lucky to get it to work. Get winNT or better than
> > win98. I still think I can get it working from '98 though :).
>
> I use a peer-to-peer network with 98 without any problems.
> You don't really think of your network as having a server .. more
> like each computer uses the others files and printers.
> I have found no problems at all.
>
> I don't use the network heavily, just to copy a file or two every now
> and then, a print a document every other week.
>
> My wife and I used to play lots of 3d shooters on our network
> which was lots of fun ... until we ran out of games we could play on
> our old computers!
>
> I needed to change some setting in IPX config to get DOS games to run
> correctly (something like the protocaol to 802.3 or 802.2??? can't
> remember off the top of my head.)
>
> I use thin ethernet cable and so don't need a hub.
>
> I even had a linux box on my network at one stage but for whatever
> reason (I can't remember) I stuffed it and now can't get it working :(
>
>
> Ray Smith
> http://rays-web.com
I have no problems getting P2P to work without a hub, I've had three
puters chained together, including Linux.
The problem is getting online.
As far as I know, getting online requires one computer to act as the
server, and the other as a client station. The server has to host the
proxies and redirection for the client. I could imagine trying to chain
together an online network would be quite a feat.
I have yet to install winNT and try. I've had a helluva time trying to
get win98 to recognise two cards. I can get in to work for P2P local
networking, but not for an online network.
Chris
