1. RE: phpnuke user needed for eucommunity site
> From: jordah at btopenworld.com [mailto:jordah at btopenworld.com]
> Maybe i over-reacted. This is because i don't want to see
> projects go down because of lack of support and this has
> happened before. I have lost lots of friends because they
> have either had to migrate to another language because
> their views/projects/...etc were ignored by the community.
> Some still code in EU but you will notice how they have
> disappeared from this list, stopped sharing code...etc
You also seem to have posted your follow up within about an hour of the
original. It's also not clear (to me, at least) what the advantage of your
web site would be to the Eu community. What will we be able to do there
that we can't do currently? That said, I'm not sure I'd be able to help too
much (in the web development, that is)--I'm already jumping between three or
four Euphoria projects as it is.
Matt Lewis
2. RE: phpnuke user needed for eucommunity site
Hi all!
When seeing this thread, I remembered a web site was set up maybe 6
months ago precisely for this purpose. Its name is www.techport80.com,
still online, and it is hosting an Eu code bank.
I didn't notice any change since the last time I visited it, long ago,
and didn't look at the code bank. Is the project site to
follow/duplicate this one?
CChris
> From: Matt Lewis <matthewwalkerlewis at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: phpnuke user needed for eucommunity site
>
>
>> From: jordah at btopenworld.com [mailto:jordah at btopenworld.com]
>
>
>> Maybe i over-reacted. This is because i don't want to see
>> projects go down because of lack of support and this has
>> happened before. I have lost lots of friends because they
>> have either had to migrate to another language because
>> their views/projects/...etc were ignored by the community.
>> Some still code in EU but you will notice how they have
>> disappeared from this list, stopped sharing code...etc
>
>
> You also seem to have posted your follow up within about an hour of the
> original. It's also not clear (to me, at least) what the advantage of your
> web site would be to the Eu community. What will we be able to do there
> that we can't do currently? That said, I'm not sure I'd be able to help too
> much (in the web development, that is)--I'm already jumping between three or
> four Euphoria projects as it is.
>
> Matt Lewis
>
>
> ----
3. RE: phpnuke user needed for eucommunity site
Hi jordah,
Firstly,
As nice as the site looks ... what benefits does it have over the
current mailing list/recent user contributions and the IRC chat room?
IMO the current tools used are so strong there is no need for
alternatives.
Secondly,
people are on this mailing list because they want to use
Euphoria, not other programming languages. I think if you said you
wanted to develop it in Euphoria (to promote the use of Euphoria) you
"might" end up with better long term support from the community.
Thirdly,
Most people have limited time working on their own projects.
You'll also find most projects are started by one person and developed
quite a bit before other people help. (Not just Euphoria ALL projects).
If you put the work in for the first few months and prove to people it
has benefits over the current tools you might be able to get a few
people to help. If you can't prove any benefits I doubt if any
people will be in a hurry to help you.
Fourthly,
Maybe it would have been better to ask the community for "would it be
a benefit if we did ..." before jumping in and doing it, and finding
out few people are interested.
PHP is cool (don't know anything about PHPNuke) and any experience
you obtain by playing with it will be good for you. Maybe after a few
months of working with it you'll find you have a small following :)
All the best,
Ray Smith
http://rays-web.com
jordah at btopenworld.com wrote:
> Check out http://logicsoft.pcplayground.com...... It is not yet complete
> but
> you will see the potential of the site....
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Lewis" <matthewwalkerlewis at yahoo.com>
> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 11:27 AM
> Subject: RE: phpnuke user needed for eucommunity site
>
>
> > > From: jordah at btopenworld.com [mailto:jordah at btopenworld.com]
> >
> > > Maybe i over-reacted. This is because i don't want to see
> > > projects go down because of lack of support and this has
> > > happened before. I have lost lots of friends because they
> > > have either had to migrate to another language because
> > > their views/projects/...etc were ignored by the community.
> > > Some still code in EU but you will notice how they have
> > > disappeared from this list, stopped sharing code...etc
> >
> > You also seem to have posted your follow up within about an hour of the
> > original. It's also not clear (to me, at least) what the advantage of
> your
> > web site would be to the Eu community. What will we be able to do there
> > that we can't do currently? That said, I'm not sure I'd be able to help
> too
> > much (in the web development, that is)--I'm already jumping between
> > three
> or
> > four Euphoria projects as it is.
> >
> > Matt Lewis
4. RE: phpnuke user needed for eucommunity site
> from: Ray Smith <smithr at ix.net.au>
> date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 23:17:46
> to: EUforum at topica.com
> subject: RE: phpnuke user needed for eucommunity site
>
>
> Hi jordah,
>
> Firstly,
> As nice as the site looks ... what benefits does it have over the
> current mailing list/recent user contributions and the IRC chat room?
>
> IMO the current tools used are so strong there is no need for
> alternatives.
Who said it was going to be an alternative? ok, lets stick to the little we
have.... i mean, how many sites does C have,PHP,......its about time you took a
survey to check out how other languages are doing and how they do it? I am not
going to force you to join....or shove it down your throats. Do as you
feel.......
>
> Secondly,
> people are on this mailing list because they want to use
> Euphoria, not other programming languages. I think if you said you
PHPNUKE is not another language....its a Web Portal. Look it up in google
> wanted to develop it in Euphoria (to promote the use of Euphoria) you
> "might" end up with better long term support from the community.
What are u on about? I used 'phpnuke coders' for only maintaining the site, the
user submissions will be in euphoria.
>
> Thirdly,
> Most people have limited time working on their own projects.
> You'll also find most projects are started by one person and developed
> quite a bit before other people help. (Not just Euphoria ALL projects).
All this time....i hadn't noticed this. i must be damn
> If you put the work in for the first few months and prove to people it
> has benefits over the current tools you might be able to get a few
> people to help. If you can't prove any benefits I doubt if any
> people will be in a hurry to help you.
I am not about to work my ***** off to impress the general 'royal' euphoria
coders community. i mean,.....i spend hard weeks configuring the
website...blah...blah...then it is up to the euphoria community to judge
wether/not they should visit it. I think i better close this thread and say DON'T
COME TO MY SITE...forget it. stick to ur one site and mailing list.
> Fourthly,
> Maybe it would have been better to ask the community for "would it be
> a benefit if we did ..." before jumping in and doing it, and finding
> out few people are interested.
Peoples interest don't concern me anymore.....and i didn't post asking for
"pple's interest".
>
> PHP is cool (don't know anything about PHPNuke) and any experience
> you obtain by playing with it will be good for you. Maybe after a few
> months of working with it you'll find you have a small following :)
>
> All the best,
>
> Ray Smith
> http://rays-web.com
>
>
> jordah at btopenworld.com wrote:
> > Check out http://logicsoft.pcplayground.com...... It is not yet complete
> > but
> > you will see the potential of the site....
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matt Lewis" <matthewwalkerlewis at yahoo.com>
> > To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 11:27 AM
> > Subject: RE: phpnuke user needed for eucommunity site
> >
> >
> > > > From: jordah at btopenworld.com [mailto:jordah at btopenworld.com]
> > >
> > > > Maybe i over-reacted. This is because i don't want to see
> > > > projects go down because of lack of support and this has
> > > > happened before. I have lost lots of friends because they
> > > > have either had to migrate to another language because
> > > > their views/projects/...etc were ignored by the community.
> > > > Some still code in EU but you will notice how they have
> > > > disappeared from this list, stopped sharing code...etc
> > >
> > > You also seem to have posted your follow up within about an hour of the
> > > original. It's also not clear (to me, at least) what the advantage of
> > your
> > > web site would be to the Eu community. What will we be able to do there
> > > that we can't do currently? That said, I'm not sure I'd be able to help
> > too
> > > much (in the web development, that is)--I'm already jumping between
> > > three
> > or
> > > four Euphoria projects as it is.
> > >
> > > Matt Lewis
>
>
>
> TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
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5. RE: phpnuke user needed for eucommunity site
Hi Jordah,
Your responce seems rather angry??
What did I say to upset you?
... replies below
jordah at btopenworld.com wrote:
> Who said it was going to be an alternative? ok, lets stick to the little
> we have.... i mean, how many sites does C have,PHP,......its about
> time you took a survey to check out how other languages are doing and
> how they do it? I am not going to force you to join....or shove it down
> your throats. Do as you feel.......
I know what sites are around for other languages. Euphoria is in a
different class to C and PHP. Euphoria has a small base of users who
communicate almost exclusively using this email list and spread source
code almost exclusively using the RDS web site. C has probably
millions of users (PHP probably 10's or 100's of thousdands of users)
all doing many things on many platforms all with different experience
levels. Euphoria probably has a few hundred active users at most.
My point being starting another forum or source code sharing site
doesn't give any more benefits to the Euphoria community.
As an example of something I think would be a benefit to Euphoria
is an expanded archive. More categories, bigger reviews with more
detailed info and ratings.
Something like the Vaults of Parnassus for Python.
http://www.vex.net/parnassus/
I didn't imply that you would force people to join, I didn't imply
that your shoving anything down anyone's throat. And I will obviosly
do as I please.
> PHPNUKE is not another language....its a Web Portal. Look it up in
> google
ok, I should have said
"people are on this mailing list because they want to use Euphoria,
not 'A WEB PORTAL WRITTEN IN PHP'".
I have no interest in looking up what PHPHUKE is ... I assumed it was
a web portal written in PHP. If you where developing a EuphoriaNUKE
I think you could expect more reaction.
> > wanted to develop it in Euphoria (to promote the use of Euphoria) you
> > "might" end up with better long term support from the community.
>
> What are u on about? I used 'phpnuke coders' for only maintaining the
> site, the user submissions will be in euphoria.
You requested help from people to do PHPNUKE coding. This is a
"Euphoria" mailing list. People here like coding in "Euphoria".
why not ask on the phpnuke mailing list?
That was my point.
> I am not about to work my ***** off to impress the general 'royal'
> euphoria coders community. i mean,.....i spend hard weeks configuring
> the website...blah...blah...then it is up to the euphoria community to
> judge wether/not they should visit it. I think i better close this
> thread and say DON'T COME TO MY SITE...forget it. stick to ur one site
> and mailing list.
So your saying you wan't other people to work their butts off to make
the site successful??? And why would anyone do that when a current
method of comunication is available?
>
> > Fourthly,
> > Maybe it would have been better to ask the community for "would it be
> > a benefit if we did ..." before jumping in and doing it, and finding
> > out few people are interested.
>
> Peoples interest don't concern me anymore.....and i didn't post asking
> for "pple's interest".
I beleive you posted asking for peoples help? I beleive you need to
generate some interest before you will get people to help.
I'm sorry to say Jordah your attitude sounds rather immature and
selfish.
I didn't say you should'nt do it ... I said if you want it to be
successful "your" the one who will have to do all the hard work
and don't expect people to flock over there unless there are some
benefits not currently found using the current methods.
Ray Smith
http://rays-web.com
6. RE: phpnuke user needed for eucommunity site
- Posted by bill at genient.com
Apr 22, 2003
Spot on, Ray. A very foolish person.
Bill Aitken
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Smith [mailto:smithr at ix.net.au]=20
Subject: RE: phpnuke user needed for eucommunity site
Hi Jordah,
Your responce seems rather angry??
What did I say to upset you?
... replies below=20
jordah at btopenworld.com wrote:
> Who said it was going to be an alternative? ok, lets stick to the
little=20
> we have.... i mean, how many sites does C have,PHP,......its about=20
> time you took a survey to check out how other languages are doing and
> how they do it? I am not going to force you to join....or shove it
down=20
> your throats. Do as you feel.......
I know what sites are around for other languages. Euphoria is in a=20
different class to C and PHP. Euphoria has a small base of users who
communicate almost exclusively using this email list and spread source
code almost exclusively using the RDS web site. C has probably=20
millions of users (PHP probably 10's or 100's of thousdands of users)
all doing many things on many platforms all with different experience
levels. Euphoria probably has a few hundred active users at most. My
point being starting another forum or source code sharing site doesn't
give any more benefits to the Euphoria community.
As an example of something I think would be a benefit to Euphoria is an
expanded archive. More categories, bigger reviews with more detailed
info and ratings. =20
Something like the Vaults of Parnassus for Python.
http://www.vex.net/parnassus/
I didn't imply that you would force people to join, I didn't imply=20
that your shoving anything down anyone's throat. And I will obviosly do
as I please.
=20
> PHPNUKE is not another language....its a Web Portal. Look it up in
> google
ok, I should have said=20
"people are on this mailing list because they want to use Euphoria,=20
not 'A WEB PORTAL WRITTEN IN PHP'".
I have no interest in looking up what PHPHUKE is ... I assumed it was a
web portal written in PHP. If you where developing a EuphoriaNUKE I
think you could expect more reaction.
=20
> > wanted to develop it in Euphoria (to promote the use of Euphoria)=20
> > you "might" end up with better long term support from the community.
>=20
> What are u on about? I used 'phpnuke coders' for only maintaining the
> site, the user submissions will be in euphoria.=20
You requested help from people to do PHPNUKE coding. This is a=20
"Euphoria" mailing list. People here like coding in "Euphoria". why not
ask on the phpnuke mailing list? =20
That was my point.
> I am not about to work my ***** off to impress the general 'royal'
> euphoria coders community. i mean,.....i spend hard weeks configuring=20
> the website...blah...blah...then it is up to the euphoria community to
> judge wether/not they should visit it. I think i better close this=20
> thread and say DON'T COME TO MY SITE...forget it. stick to ur one site
> and mailing list.
So your saying you wan't other people to work their butts off to make
the site successful??? And why would anyone do that when a current
method of comunication is available?
>=20
> > Fourthly,
> > Maybe it would have been better to ask the community for "would it=20
> > be a benefit if we did ..." before jumping in and doing it, and=20
> > finding out few people are interested.
>=20
> Peoples interest don't concern me anymore.....and i didn't post asking
> for "pple's interest".
I beleive you posted asking for peoples help? I beleive you need to
generate some interest before you will get people to help.
I'm sorry to say Jordah your attitude sounds rather immature and=20
selfish. =20
I didn't say you should'nt do it ... I said if you want it to be=20
successful "your" the one who will have to do all the hard work and
don't expect people to flock over there unless there are some benefits
not currently found using the current methods.
Ray Smith
http://rays-web.com
TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
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