1. IDE - more more more!
I'm loving the newest IDE, but that doesn't stop my teeny tiny mind from
working, and thinking of even more that I would like to see from it.
First and foremost - and I think this will happen anyway as soon as it
passes Alpha - is a re-organizing of the documentation. It needs a FAQ,
and a features list desperately. I want to see exactly what this sucker
will do for me right off the bat.
Secondly, how hard would it be to provide some default code with some
default drop ins? IOW, have a drop in not just for menu, but one for a
File menu that has standard code for New, Open, Close, Save, Save As,
Print. Then for Edit: Cut, Copy, Paste, Find. Help: Help and About.
These are pretty standard operations for Windows programs, and I know
there are examples out there already, but when you cut and paste the
example code (if you're really lazy like me), you have to track down all
the Control names and make sure they all agree with what the IDE
provides you automatically.
That's tremendously nit-picking, I know. But that kind of feature is
available in some of the IDEs out there. Euphoria might really pick up
if they're available for its IDE also.
It's been a while since I've used some of the commercial IDE/development
environments, but I have to say this one seems to be just as intuitive,
if not more so, and very close to as polished as the ones I've used in
the past. And much more free.
Fantastic job!
2. Re: IDE - more more more!
On Tuesday 19 June 2001 15:33, SR.Williamson wrote:
<snip wish list>
> It's been a while since I've used some of the commercial IDE/development
> environments, but I have to say this one seems to be just as intuitive,
> if not more so, and very close to as polished as the ones I've used in
> the past. And much more free.
>
> Fantastic job!
I agree. I've spent most of the afternoon trying to break this new
version - it's stable and very usable. Naturally, there are
a few things I would add to my own wish list.
I don't know where Judith finds the time for something this complex,
but THANKS!
Regards,
Irv
3. Re: IDE - more more more!
- Posted by DanMoyer at PRODIGY.NET
Jun 20, 2001
Judith,
I think what SR meant was something more like: could you put a list box in
the "Menu Edit" window, with selections for "File Menu", "Edit Menu", "Help
Menu", etc., which if clicked on would auto-generate the code for those
specific types of menus, together with their appropriate sub-menus (and
maybe for things like the Edit menu, also generate the code that would allow
for cut-copy-paste, and for File, the save-as selection stuff?).
I don't know if my Editor enhancement works with your latest IDE, but you're
right, it didn't search for existing control names; it gives lists of
Euphoria and Win32Lib routines, by category, and allows a click on a routine
name in the list and then a right click in the desired spot in the editor to
paste the default form of the routine (with parameters) into the editor,
(eg, under "Graphics", bitBlt pastes this into the editor: bitBlt( dst,
dstX, dstY, src, srcX, srcY, wide, high, rop ); it also has a "jump to
help" for every listed routine that jumps to the help doc for the selected
routine to help the user know what goes in each parameter for that specific
routine. And for any Euphoria routine that requires an include, it pastes
that info into the editor as a comment (but not for Win32Lib routines, since
that include will already be in the IDE generated code).
>
> SR.Williamson wrote:
...<snip>
> >
> > Secondly, how hard would it be to provide some default code with some
> > default drop ins?
>
> Dan Moyer wrote an enhancement to code editor last year that interfaced
> with Win32lib with combo boxes to pick procedures. I'm not sure if it
> still works with the latest IDE. It's on the RDS Recent Contributions
> Page. But it doesn't go looking for your control names and insert them
> if I remember correctly.
>
> >IOW, have a drop in not just for menu, but one for a
> > File menu that has standard code for New, Open, Close, Save, Save As,
> > Print. Then for Edit: Cut, Copy, Paste, Find. Help: Help and About.
> > These are pretty standard operations for Windows programs, and I know
> > there are examples out there already, but when you cut and paste the
> > example code (if you're really lazy like me), you have to track down all
> >
> > the Control names and make sure they all agree with what the IDE
> > provides you automatically.
>
> Right now with Editor being Modal you can't utilize Project View to get
> a quick look at the list of controls, but in the next release Editor
> will not be Modal.
>
<snip>
4. Re: IDE - more more more!
- Posted by DanMoyer at PRODIGY.NET
Jun 21, 2001
Judith,
You're welcome. :)
re: file names in "File, Open, Save, etc":
I'm not sure, but from the once or twice I included that "File, Open, etc"
type code, you don't have to provide actual default file *names*, just cause
the menu choice selection to open a DIALOG which allows the program user to
*select* what file they wish to save or open from the dialog generated list
box. Once you cause the Dialog to open, all the rest is pretty automatic,
as I remember. I used it in my "RunDemos" thingy that Derek includes in
the Win32Lib distribution, so users could find and open Wolfgang's Tutorial,
wherever it happened to be on their disk (I also gave it an automatic search
feature, too).
Dan
Judith wrote:
>
>
> DanMoyer at PRODIGY.NET wrote:
> > Judith,
> >
> > I think what SR meant was something more like: could you put a list
> > box in
> > the "Menu Edit" window, with selections for "File Menu", "Edit Menu",
> > "Help
> > Menu", etc., which if clicked on would auto-generate the code for those
> > specific types of menus, together with their appropriate sub-menus (and
> > maybe for things like the Edit menu, also generate the code that would
> > allow
> > for cut-copy-paste, and for File, the save-as selection stuff?).
> >
>
>
> <snip>
>
> Thanks for the clarification, Dan.
>
> I'll think on this one. I see several issues in generating the code such
> as file names in a File Open, Save, SaveAs submenus that I would need to
> work out.
>
> Judith
>
