1. Off-topic/On-topic: Re: Thanks for the help...
> Fine by me. Having been 15 for some 35 years now, I can tell you that
>
> a) No one will be offended if you address them respectfully, but, as
> Kat implied, some forms of address the recipient may find too
> restrictive or even tendentious. Do _you_ know Kat's sex?
> His/her/its/whatever's attitudes and preferences? Best avoid hurting
> others, always.
Well, i'm 15, (tho I started being on this list on the tail end of 1.5's
life) but heres what I did: Followed everyone elses' example. I noted
people call David Cuny by his First name, Robert Craig as Rob, Kat
as, well, Kat, etc ad nauseum.
> b) This list is a friendly forum for sharing and collaboration. We are
> all equals here. If you start calling me "Mr Brandariz" I'll call you
> "Mr Kerslake", which would be equally fine by me (though a shade too
> formal for my taste).
A shade too formal to my tastes too, I _really_ hate being called Mr.
Ortloff, especially because I reserve the formal titles for anyone I
don't really know, or came up to on the street (As well as
Sir/Ma'am), or someone older than... I dunno, 27 years perhaps.
(The dart hit the dartboard close to 27, so I decided to go with that)
Personally, call me Lev, spelling out "LEVIATHAN" I guess is
exhausting to anyone but me, and I don't use my real name on the
'net :)
> c) What would you do about nicknames?
>
> Anyway, it's your decision, not anyone else's. The fact that you're
> "just" 15 doesn't make you a baby, nor our "inferior". You have every
> right to address anyone as you please, as long as your are reasonably
> courteous. Or as rude as you can get away with. You choose, you bear
> the consequences. You don't choose, you're as good as dead.
>
Personally, its all in the maturity of the person talking. Age
differences fade with maturity. I've heard many on the 'net who I
never told my age to unless they asked me ("a/s/l?" doesn't count to
me, I often ignore it. Asking me in a complete sentence gets my
answer :), they figured I'm far older than I say I am (And once or
twice I had to provide proof)
Ugh, I hate talking about myself...
> Besides, you can call everyone Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms/Mx/My/Mz and still be
> disrespectful as hell. Heard that, you punk kid mistake-of-Nature
> welcome-to-the-grownup-world, Mr Kerslake, sir?
Geez, biting the bullet, eh?
Grown-up? I would call it non-formal, perhaps. And yes, even I take
a droplet feeling of disrespect to being called Mr. Ortloff, as often
times, I am _not_ my dad. Yell my first name, yell Lev, but please,
Mr. Ortloff is something you call to my dad, not me :)
Blessed Be! --"LEVIATHAN"
2. Re: Off-topic/On-topic: Re: Thanks for the help...
Lev,
And here's what I did/do:
I look at how people *sign* their posts, & use the first name they use,
except when there might be some confusion between people with same first
names. I figure how they sign is how they wish to be addressed, and I can't
recall *anyone*(?) signing as "Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms." so & so.
But I do find the *question* about how people here wish to be addressed
refreshingly different than some of the discourtesy we have seen here on a
few occasions recently ! Good going, Paul, oops, I mean Thomas. Now if only
you could get your own name on the "from" field of your posts :) so we don't
confuse you with your dad or sister. <grin>
And thank you Lev for offering an acceptable alternative to "LEVIATHAN"! It
is a little "big" to type. ;) Maybe you could put that in your signature?
(I won't comment on the unnecessary "blessing" stuff. Oops, I said I
wouldn't comment!) I will comment that I can see how people could think
you're older than your age, (ie, more mature), though.
Dan Moyer
----- Original Message -----
From: "LEVIATHAN" <leviathan at USWEST.NET>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 5:40 PM
Subject: Off-topic/On-topic: Re: Thanks for the help...
> > Fine by me. Having been 15 for some 35 years now, I can tell you that
> >
> > a) No one will be offended if you address them respectfully, but, as
> > Kat implied, some forms of address the recipient may find too
> > restrictive or even tendentious. Do _you_ know Kat's sex?
> > His/her/its/whatever's attitudes and preferences? Best avoid hurting
> > others, always.
>
> Well, i'm 15, (tho I started being on this list on the tail end of 1.5's
> life) but heres what I did: Followed everyone elses' example. I noted
> people call David Cuny by his First name, Robert Craig as Rob, Kat
> as, well, Kat, etc ad nauseum.
>
>
> > b) This list is a friendly forum for sharing and collaboration. We are
> > all equals here. If you start calling me "Mr Brandariz" I'll call you
> > "Mr Kerslake", which would be equally fine by me (though a shade too
> > formal for my taste).
>
> A shade too formal to my tastes too, I _really_ hate being called Mr.
> Ortloff, especially because I reserve the formal titles for anyone I
> don't really know, or came up to on the street (As well as
> Sir/Ma'am), or someone older than... I dunno, 27 years perhaps.
> (The dart hit the dartboard close to 27, so I decided to go with that)
>
> Personally, call me Lev, spelling out "LEVIATHAN" I guess is
> exhausting to anyone but me, and I don't use my real name on the
> 'net :)
>
> > c) What would you do about nicknames?
> >
> > Anyway, it's your decision, not anyone else's. The fact that you're
> > "just" 15 doesn't make you a baby, nor our "inferior". You have every
> > right to address anyone as you please, as long as your are reasonably
> > courteous. Or as rude as you can get away with. You choose, you bear
> > the consequences. You don't choose, you're as good as dead.
> >
>
> Personally, its all in the maturity of the person talking. Age
> differences fade with maturity. I've heard many on the 'net who I
> never told my age to unless they asked me ("a/s/l?" doesn't count to
> me, I often ignore it. Asking me in a complete sentence gets my
> answer :), they figured I'm far older than I say I am (And once or
> twice I had to provide proof)
>
> Ugh, I hate talking about myself...
>
> > Besides, you can call everyone Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms/Mx/My/Mz and still be
> > disrespectful as hell. Heard that, you punk kid mistake-of-Nature
> > welcome-to-the-grownup-world, Mr Kerslake, sir?
>
> Geez, biting the bullet, eh?
>
> Grown-up? I would call it non-formal, perhaps. And yes, even I take
> a droplet feeling of disrespect to being called Mr. Ortloff, as often
> times, I am _not_ my dad. Yell my first name, yell Lev, but please,
> Mr. Ortloff is something you call to my dad, not me :)
>
> Blessed Be! --"LEVIATHAN"
