1. [OFFTOPIC]
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Howdy y'all!
Yesterday evening I had the opportunity to go to the Microsoft website and
view a video of Bill Gates and his cronies introduction this new-fangled
Windows XP. Quite frankly, ladies and gentlemen, that scared the hell out of
me, so badly that Windows ME will more than likely be the **last** version of
Windows that I ever own.
Before, I had thought of Kat being just a tad paranoid. I was wrong. She is
right on the money where M$ is concerned. From what I gathered, Windows Spy
(uh, I mean XP) gives the user the wonderful, unheard of feature of letting
the technocrats at Microsoft look into your computer in order to determine
what was wrong. And while they are there, I suppose they can also, as a
favor to you, look at all your programs and files in order to make sure you
haven't burdened yourself with a competitor's "lesser quality" software,
while at the same time making sure you haven't miscalculated some crucial
figure the last time you updated personal finance records in Microsoft Money.
Of course, as much as Microsoft would like to think that such a system is
their idea, it's not, really. I believe that George Orwell developed such a
feature, and outlined it in a book entitled "1984."
Now then, this leaves me with the alternative of switching over to Linux once
Windows ME takes on the rusty air of Win95. So, I am now *very seriously*
considering installing a version of Linux on my system. But, in Travis'
eternal battle to have his cake and eat it too, I do not want to get rid of
Windows ME for fear that most of what I have in the way of code, (other than
Euphoria of course) cannot be ported over. So, I suppose this means a "dual
partition." That is something that I've never done before, and it naturally
makes me quite nervous.
If anyone out there has done this, and can let me know what kind of
difficulties I'll encounter ... heck, if anybody out there could give me a
clue as to how to go about doing it ... please give me a holler privately.
It'll be a nice day, so I'll probably be hard at work and unable to respond
until tonight, but any pointers would be appreciated.
And, Kat, I apologize for doubting your wisdom in these matters.
Happy Hunting,
Travis Beaty
Claude, Texas.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff">
<FONT SIZE=1 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Verdana" LANG="0">Howdy y'all!
<BR>
<BR>Yesterday evening I had the opportunity to go to the Microsoft website and
<BR>view a video of Bill Gates and his cronies introduction this new-fangled
<BR>Windows XP. Quite frankly, ladies and gentlemen, that scared the hell
out of
<BR>me, so badly that Windows ME will more than likely be the **last** version
of
<BR>Windows that I ever own.
<BR>
<BR>Before, I had thought of Kat being just a tad paranoid. I was wrong.
She is
<BR>right on the money where M$ is concerned. From what I gathered,
Windows Spy
<BR>(uh, I mean XP) gives the user the wonderful, unheard of feature of letting
<BR>the technocrats at Microsoft look into your computer in order to determine
<BR>what was wrong. And while they are there, I suppose they can also, as
a
<BR>favor to you, look at all your programs and files in order to make sure you
<BR>haven't burdened yourself with a competitor's "lesser quality" software,
<BR>while at the same time making sure you haven't miscalculated some crucial
<BR>figure the last time you updated personal finance records in Microsoft
Money.
<BR>
<BR>Of course, as much as Microsoft would like to think that such a system is
<BR>their idea, it's not, really. I believe that George Orwell developed
such a
<BR>feature, and outlined it in a book entitled "1984."
<BR>
<BR>Now then, this leaves me with the alternative of switching over to Linux
once
<BR>Windows ME takes on the rusty air of Win95. So, I am now *very
seriously*
<BR>considering installing a version of Linux on my system. But, in
Travis'
<BR>eternal battle to have his cake and eat it too, I do not want to get rid of
<BR>Windows ME for fear that most of what I have in the way of code, (other than
<BR>Euphoria of course) cannot be ported over. So, I suppose this means a
"dual
<BR>partition." That is something that I've never done before, and it
naturally
<BR>makes me quite nervous.
<BR>
<BR>If anyone out there has done this, and can let me know what kind of
<BR>difficulties I'll encounter ... heck, if anybody out there could give me a
<BR>clue as to how to go about doing it ... please give me a holler privately.
<BR>It'll be a nice day, so I'll probably be hard at work and unable to respond
<BR>until tonight, but any pointers would be appreciated.
<BR>
<BR>And, Kat, I apologize for doubting your wisdom in these matters.
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>Happy Hunting,
<BR>
<BR>Travis Beaty
<BR>Claude, Texas.</FONT>
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2. Re: [OFFTOPIC]
On Mon, 05 Mar 2001, you wrote:
>
> Howdy y'all!
>
> Yesterday evening I had the opportunity to go to the Microsoft website and
> view a video of Bill Gates and his cronies introduction this new-fangled
> Windows XP. Quite frankly, ladies and gentlemen, that scared the hell out of
> me, so badly that Windows ME will more than likely be the **last** version of
> Windows that I ever own.
Paranoia aside (and yes, Kat is right) I have come to the same conclusion,
but for different reasons. I have grown tired of paying M$ for upgrades to
what continues to be an unstable and unreliable os. Windows has more flash
than Linux, but with Linux, I can actually get some work done. And all the
tools I need to do that work come free with the Linux distro.
> Now then, this leaves me with the alternative of switching over to Linux once
> Windows ME takes on the rusty air of Win95. So, I am now *very seriously*
> considering installing a version of Linux on my system. But, in Travis'
> eternal battle to have his cake and eat it too, I do not want to get rid of
> Windows ME for fear that most of what I have in the way of code, (other than
> Euphoria of course) cannot be ported over. So, I suppose this means a "dual
> partition." That is something that I've never done before, and it naturally
> makes me quite nervous.
This is fairly simple - most versions of Linux such as Mandrake have
repartitioning software included. However, you may prefer to do this the
old-fashioned way and safe way; fdisk, format, and re-install everything.
Whichever you choose, BACK UP anything important first!. Then, reload Windows
first, and afterwards
Linux. Windows setup will wipe out anything it finds on the disk, while Linux
politely recognizes the Windows partitions (and gives you access to them).
If you want zero risk, why not purchase a new disk drive - big drives are
pretty cheap right now - and load Win / Linux on it? A useful Linux setup will
take 750meg -1 gig. Your old drive can remain untouched.
A Linux distribution such as Mandrake (hey, even WalMart sells these!)
will recognize most standard video and sound cards, but support for USB
devices is minimal. If you have a Winmodem, you probably won't get it to
work. A real modem works better, anyway, even in Windows.
Almost all network cards are usable.
Regards,
Irv
3. Re: [OFFTOPIC]
At 08:13 5/03/01 -0800, you wrote:
>On Mon, 05 Mar 2001, you wrote:
>>
>> Howdy y'all!
>>
>> Yesterday evening I had the opportunity to go to the Microsoft website and
>> view a video of Bill Gates and his cronies introduction this new-fangled
>> Windows XP. Quite frankly, ladies and gentlemen, that scared the hell
out of ....
Be the first hacker on your block to bring
out the disableing patch! or the first
pirate client software to look at your
neighbour's computer without their
consent.
What a can of worms.
Graeme
4. Re: [OFFTOPIC]
Travis Beaty wrote:
>So, I suppose this means a "dual partition." That is something that I've
>never done before, and it naturally makes me quite nervous.
I'm still running Win95, so I can't attest to how this would work with any
later version, but I did just that a while back. I defragged the disk,
moving everything down to the 'bottom' of the drive. I then changed the
partition size, and made the 'upper' portion into a Linux partition. Held my
breath; everything worked.
I would *not* recommend going that route. There's just too much risk of
something going horribly wrong. A better idea would be to pick up another
hard drive, and install Linux on that.
The Linux distributions have just gotten better and better - easier to
install, more things preconfigured, more stable desktops, more hardware
support, more useful applications... you name it. Linux-Mandrake is quite
nice, but I've also installed SuSE and others with no problem.
Linux-Mandrake also has an option to install on Windows, by setting up a
large DOS file to look like a Linux partition. I haven't tried that option
myself.
As someone else mentioned, be sure that your modem is a hardware modem, not
one of these cheap 'winmodems', which are basically glorified soundcards.
You can always download from the Windows half of your machine - Linux can
read Windows partitions, but not the other way around. But it's a bit klunky
not to have a working modem.
You might want to play around with Wine as well. It's been a number of
months since I've actually had Linux on my machine, but Win32Lib actually
runs pretty well under it, and it's getting closer and closer to a 1.0
release. Running Euphoria Windows programs under Linux is a real kick.
-- David Cuny
5. Re: [OFFTOPIC]
- Posted by leviathan at uswest.net
Mar 05, 2001
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Last edited Mar 06, 2001
> Howdy y'all!
Heya Travis!
> Now then, this leaves me with the alternative of switching over to Linux once
> Windows ME takes on the rusty air of Win95. So, I am now *very seriously*
> considering installing a version of Linux on my system. But, in Travis'
> eternal battle to have his cake and eat it too, I do not want to get rid of
> Windows ME for fear that most of what I have in the way of code, (other than
> Euphoria of course) cannot be ported over. So, I suppose this means a "dual
> partition." That is something that I've never done before, and it naturally
> makes me quite nervous.
Oh, I thought Kat simply lost her little kitty mind and/or her antideps!
NOT! :) (Sorry, I don't give doubt to any M$ conspiracy theories)
Anyway, thanx in coming with me to my endeavour, however, while
everyone has added their experience, theres one more thing I'll add,
Travis, and that is that internal DSL cards have _not_ worked in
anyones experience, altho I believe there are certainly people
hacking away at the popular ones, (thanx to U$We$t, or *cough*
Qwe$t I meant) i.e. Cisco 605 and Intel 2100 Pro/DSL internal
'routers' (BS! No, really, they're not routers, they're a freaking DSL
Modulator-Demodulator (modem) card! GAH!... stupid
corporations... uhh, shouldn't reproduce. And I mean that, too :))
> And, Kat, I apologize for doubting your wisdom in these matters.
I don't doubt conspiracy theorists, m'self, probably would help that
I'm one too, eh? :)
--"LEVIATHAN"
6. [OFFTOPIC]
Apologies for getting involved in this. I believe Irv interpreted Ralf's
original post as containing an attack on George Bush's support of the death
penalty for murder. After all, even his most fervent opponents (I am one of
them) admits that Mr. Bush does not advocate the death penalty for software
piracy and has not executed anyone for software piracy. So two separate
issues were raised and addressed. Ceratainly someone can believe (as I do)
that both murder and software piracy are wrong without believing that they
are of equal importance. And I really wish this thread would go away--while
software piracy has some relevance to this list, murder and its punishment
are clearly outside isssues better discussed by private email or in other
forums--the net is full of discussions pro and con about the death penalty
and every other contorversial issue, why are we going back and forth about
this?
-- Mike Nelson
7. Re: [OFFTOPIC]
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Michael Nelson wrote:
> Apologies for getting involved in this. I believe Irv interpreted Ralf's
> original post as containing an attack on George Bush's support of the death
> penalty for murder. After all, even his most fervent opponents (I am one of
> them) admits that Mr. Bush does not advocate the death penalty for software
> piracy and has not executed anyone for software piracy. So two separate
> issues were raised and addressed. Ceratainly someone can believe (as I do)
> that both murder and software piracy are wrong without believing that they
> are of equal importance.
I apologise for posting that to the Euphoria list - it would have been more
appropriate as a private e-mail. I did not intend it to support Mr. Bush
(I am not a fan of his either) If, however, as Ralf wrote, the Dutch really
believe that the citizens of the state of Texas (and by extension the US in
general) find it "easier to point, shoot and execute (f#$ck Bush, > arggg.just
a typical dutch frase 
" then they are displaying woeful ignorance of this
country's judicial process.
Regards,
Irv
