1. [flame war]: Rob and his senseless stubbornness
Well, there are googles of messages regarding problems with Euphoria and
Rob, and here is my say:
First off, I think Rob is playing his game pretty well. All the players
(except him) are pissed off, but he is still winning, and here is why:
because A) There isn't a better language to go to, and because B) we
continually put up with this bullshit. He refuses to make changes that
the vast majority of Euphoria users want, and wastes his time making
changes we DON'T care about.
Second, I like the idea about withdrawing IDE, Win32Lib, etc.
Maybe it'll teach him (if that is even possible) that we won't put up
with his BS.
I wouldn't be surprised if he would refuse to withdraw IDE & WLib even
if the authors requested this.
Rob needs to learn how to play a good game of Linux poker 
Third, this dramatic increase in prices is inexcusable.
Fourth, I wish he would get off/on his lazy butt and implement what his
customers want! I once asked for variable_ids, and he basically said it
was incompatible with e2c. Having bothered to look into C a bit, I now
say BS to this too: hes flat out too lazy!
Everybody, lay down your cards and stop playing this game until he
decides to quit BSing us and play nicely!!
2. Re: [flame war]: Rob and his senseless stubbornness
William Heimbigner wrote:
>
>
> Well, there are googles of messages regarding problems with Euphoria and
> Rob, and here is my say:
>
> First off, I think Rob is playing his game pretty well. All the players
> (except him) are pissed off, but he is still winning, and here is why:
> because A) There isn't a better language to go to, and because B) we
> continually put up with this bullshit. He refuses to make changes that
> the vast majority of Euphoria users want, and wastes his time making
> changes we DON'T care about.
That's not right at all. Take the '$' change, for example. That was a
very popular modification. Releasing an open source Euphoria interpreter
was also popular. There are some widely shared opinions (including me)
on how to improve this, without, IMHO, Rob having to sacrifice anything.
Also, *all* the players aren't pissed off. But there are definitely some
very vocal and very fed up players.
> Second, I like the idea about withdrawing IDE, Win32Lib, etc.
> Maybe it'll teach him (if that is even possible) that we won't put up
> with his BS.
> I wouldn't be surprised if he would refuse to withdraw IDE & WLib even
> if the authors requested this.
It wouldn't matter if they did, because others would pick them up and
resubmit them.
> Rob needs to learn how to play a good game of Linux poker
I have no idea what you are talking about.
> Third, this dramatic increase in prices is inexcusable.
Why? You may not think Euphoria is worth it, but many do. In fact,
he's now giving away stuff that you used to have to pay for. Not to
mention things like the weak US dollar (which is how he quotes prices).
> Fourth, I wish he would get off/on his lazy butt and implement what his
> customers want! I once asked for variable_ids, and he basically said it
> was incompatible with e2c. Having bothered to look into C a bit, I now
> say BS to this too: hes flat out too lazy!
Glad you did this. What was your solution? It's not exactly an easy
problem.
Matt Lewis
3. Re: [flame war]: Rob and his senseless stubbornness
William Heimbigner wrote:
>
>
> Well, there are googles of messages regarding problems with Euphoria and
> Rob, and here is my say:
>
> First off, I think Rob is playing his game pretty well. All the players
> (except him) are pissed off, but he is still winning, and here is why:
> because A) There isn't a better language to go to, and because B) we
> continually put up with this bullshit. He refuses to make changes that
> the vast majority of Euphoria users want, and wastes his time making
> changes we DON'T care about.
Many of the new features in 2.5 I do care about.
>
> Second, I like the idea about withdrawing IDE, Win32Lib, etc.
> Maybe it'll teach him (if that is even possible) that we won't put up
> with his BS.
That would not be a good idea, much of the users of these tools (including
me) would probably leave.
> I wouldn't be surprised if he would refuse to withdraw IDE & WLib even
> if the authors requested this.
> Rob needs to learn how to play a good game of Linux poker
>
> Third, this dramatic increase in prices is inexcusable.
If the price isn't decreased by 2.6 I probably won't buy
it, its either Euphoria or a new router...
>
> Fourth, I wish he would get off/on his lazy butt and implement what his
> customers want! I once asked for variable_ids, and he basically said it
The only thing in 2.5 I was dissappointed with was the lack of new
features.
The '$' one is definatly a useful one.
> was incompatible with e2c. Having bothered to look into C a bit, I now
> say BS to this too: hes flat out too lazy!
>
>
> Everybody, lay down your cards and stop playing this game until he
> decides to quit BSing us and play nicely!!
4. Re: [flame war]: Rob and his senseless stubbornness
So why did it take soo many tries to post this?
CoJaBo wrote:
>
> William Heimbigner wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well, there are googles of messages regarding problems with Euphoria and
> > Rob, and here is my say:
> >
> > First off, I think Rob is playing his game pretty well. All the players
> > (except him) are pissed off, but he is still winning, and here is why:
> > because A) There isn't a better language to go to, and because B) we
> > continually put up with this bullshit. He refuses to make changes that
> > the vast majority of Euphoria users want, and wastes his time making
> > changes we DON'T care about.
> Many of the new features in 2.5 I do care about.
>
> >
> > Second, I like the idea about withdrawing IDE, Win32Lib, etc.
> > Maybe it'll teach him (if that is even possible) that we won't put up
> > with his BS.
> That would not be a good idea, much of the users of these tools (including
> me) would probably leave.
>
> > I wouldn't be surprised if he would refuse to withdraw IDE & WLib even
> > if the authors requested this.
> > Rob needs to learn how to play a good game of Linux poker
> >
> > Third, this dramatic increase in prices is inexcusable.
> If the price isn't decreased by 2.6 I probably won't buy
> it, its either Euphoria or a new router...
>
> >
> > Fourth, I wish he would get off/on his lazy butt and implement what his
> > customers want! I once asked for variable_ids, and he basically said it
> The only thing in 2.5 I was dissappointed with was the lack of new
> features.
> The '$' one is definatly a useful one.
>
> > was incompatible with e2c. Having bothered to look into C a bit, I now
> > say BS to this too: hes flat out too lazy!
> >
> >
> > Everybody, lay down your cards and stop playing this game until he
> > decides to quit BSing us and play nicely!!
>
>
