1. Irv Mullen & Black Hats
- Posted by euman at bellsouth.net
Apr 03, 2002
http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/x-windows/disaster.html
Euman
euman at bellsouth.net
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2. Re: Irv Mullen & Black Hats
On Wednesday 03 April 2002 09:20 pm, you wrote:
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> http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/x-windows/disaster.html
>
I'm not sure what your point is.
All things considered, x-windows doesn't do some things as well as
they might have been done.
But Windows can't do any of those things at all.
Microsoft and Unisys have a website to promote the use of
M$oftware in corporate settings:
http://www.wehavethewayout.com
Note that their website is running on BSD :)
also interesting: http://www.wehavethewayin.com
Regards,
Irv
3. Re: Irv Mullen & Black Hats
Yes, X-Window isn't the best that Linux provides.
It's slow because of its modularity. MS Windows are still better than
Linux for desktops (interesting idea is AtheOS - it can run lots of Linux
utilites and has Windows-like API and integrated GUI www.atheos.cx)
But lots of 'real' Linux users never install any GUI.
P.S. Microsoft has recently started an anti-UNIX campaign.
The servers for the campaign were running FreeBSD. After this
was revealed, they moved the servers to Windows, and they stopped
working 
Martin
>http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/x-windows/disaster.html
>
>Euman
>euman at bellsouth.net
4. Re: Irv Mullen & Black Hats
Ok folks before this escalates into an OS "religious war"
Choose to use the operating system best suited for your needs. If you have
diverse needs (I do for example) then either make a compromise and choose
an operating system of "best fit" or get two computers and run the two
rival operating systems on each system.
If your needs are more more diverse get hold of a third or more computers.
A Pentium 75 (yes 75) will run a more than fit Linux or a slowish but
useful Win 98.
I know that two computers are not an option for many but a second user
Pentium 100 Mhz must be going in the second hand market near you for not a
huge amount and think of the green issues. You stop an old computer going
into landfill or worse.
In short use the right tool for the job. I once read on an email list
(possibly EUforum) that if you see every problem as a nail then you'll use
a hammer to solve every problem you come across.
An OS is a tool - use an appropriate one (note I say appropriate and not
"right") for the job in hand.
Better still of course is to write code with platform/OS/version
independence in mind from the start ...
Just my 4 pence worth...
Andy Cranston.
At 18:42 05/04/02 +0200, you wrote:
>
>Yes, X-Window isn't the best that Linux provides.
>It's slow because of its modularity. MS Windows are still better than
>Linux for desktops (interesting idea is AtheOS - it can run lots of Linux
>utilites and has Windows-like API and integrated GUI www.atheos.cx)
>But lots of 'real' Linux users never install any GUI.
>
>P.S. Microsoft has recently started an anti-UNIX campaign.
>The servers for the campaign were running FreeBSD. After this
>was revealed, they moved the servers to Windows, and they stopped
>working
>
> Martin
>
>>http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/x-windows/disaster.html
>>
>>Euman
>>euman at bellsouth.net
>
>
>
>
5. Re: Irv Mullen & Black Hats
Of course, for us cheapies, dual-booting and virtulization software
(such as VMWare) are other helpful/useful options as well ;)
jbrown
On 0, acran at readout.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
>
> Ok folks before this escalates into an OS "religious war"
>
> Choose to use the operating system best suited for your needs. If you have
> diverse needs (I do for example) then either make a compromise and choose
> an operating system of "best fit" or get two computers and run the two
> rival operating systems on each system.
>
> If your needs are more more diverse get hold of a third or more computers.
> A Pentium 75 (yes 75) will run a more than fit Linux or a slowish but
> useful Win 98.
>
> I know that two computers are not an option for many but a second user
> Pentium 100 Mhz must be going in the second hand market near you for not a
> huge amount and think of the green issues. You stop an old computer going
> into landfill or worse.
>
> In short use the right tool for the job. I once read on an email list
> (possibly EUforum) that if you see every problem as a nail then you'll use
> a hammer to solve every problem you come across.
>
> An OS is a tool - use an appropriate one (note I say appropriate and not
> "right") for the job in hand.
>
> Better still of course is to write code with platform/OS/version
> independence in mind from the start ...
>
> Just my 4 pence worth...
>
> Andy Cranston.
>
> At 18:42 05/04/02 +0200, you wrote:
> >
> >Yes, X-Window isn't the best that Linux provides.
> >It's slow because of its modularity. MS Windows are still better than
> >Linux for desktops (interesting idea is AtheOS - it can run lots of Linux
> >utilites and has Windows-like API and integrated GUI www.atheos.cx)
> >But lots of 'real' Linux users never install any GUI.
> >
> >P.S. Microsoft has recently started an anti-UNIX campaign.
> >The servers for the campaign were running FreeBSD. After this
> >was revealed, they moved the servers to Windows, and they stopped
> >working
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >>http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/x-windows/disaster.html
> >>
> >>Euman
> >>euman at bellsouth.net
> >
> >
6. Re: Irv Mullen & Black Hats
On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:42:14 +0200, Martin Stachon
<martin.stachon at worldonline.cz> wrote:
>Yes, X-Window isn't the best that Linux provides.
>It's slow because of its modularity. MS Windows are still better than
>Linux for desktops (interesting idea is AtheOS - it can run lots of Linux
>utilites and has Windows-like API and integrated GUI www.atheos.cx)
Oops; that site is now down. I found a few bits in Google's cache,
looked good. All I ask is let us know when/if the site is back up.
======
While I'm here, Phil Long also said:
>code which _you can't fix_ and _he won't_.
>Each has its strengths and weaknesses
>In the end, though, I think the open-source model will become more
>prevalent than the proprietary-source model, if only because it is
>_possible_ for more programmers to examine
>the code looking for errors and/or improvements.
All good points, I totally agree. Linux ain't doin all the stuff I
need it to (h/w issues; more&more m/f are seeing the light so in the
longer term that should change).
I dual boot. I reboot from Linux when I need to run windows.
I reboot windows because I have to, often.
(actually I should confess it is probably more than two months since I
last booted linux...)
jbrown105 at speedymail.org wrote:
> > Better still of course is to write code with platform/OS/version
> > independence in mind from the start ...
Oh, I wish... (Euphoria-wise, naturally)
Pete
