1. Llama/GTK updates
I have updated Llama/GTK again, this time I will try to keep it on my
web
site permanently. (It was because I was having trouble with ftp
uploading of
file to the geocities server, but I have switched browsers from lynx to
w3m so now I can use the Easy Upload feature instead, which seems to
work
fine, just in case your interested.)
I have updated the sample editor, the inputbox() function now works
correctly, file name is shown in the titlebar, size of window is
larger.
Also, I found this weird bug while I was trying to get the editor to
work,
it seems that qMy[self][qHandle] does not store the correct handle, so
I now use eu_gtk_widgets instead. (I dont know why the original way
of storing handles is broken, if someone can figure out why that would
be
greatly appreciated.)
(... All the silly little bugs I've had to fix, no wonder David Cuny
gave
up on Llama ...)
I would also like to mention that I have altered Llama/GTK so it no
longer
has or needs a Canvas widget. (It does use the GTK/GDK version, but the
canvas calls are done internally by the Window widget, a Llama/GTK
program
should never see them or use canvases directly.) Of course, unlike
David,
I plan on turning Llama/GTK into a functional library with MINIMAL
compatibility with Win32Lib. It would be quite difficult to create a
fully
functional clone of Win32Lib with all of its Win32 API functions on
Linux,
but, unlike Irv's EuGTK, I want some compatibility, so Win32
programmers
dont have to throw away their skills and relearn a whole new widget
library
when they write a program for Linux (not that EuGTK is hard, I just
want
to add more options for Linux GUI programmers).
I have also planned to port ezDesign.exw by Jacques Deschenes to
Llama/GTK,
but I have not really started yet, I will try as soon as I have some
more
free time. The file is under the name of ide.exu, by the way.
(If anyone else wants to take a try at writing an IDE for Llama,
please do. It would be greatly appreciated ;)
Llama/GTK can be downloaded from my site:
http://www.geocities.com/jbrown1050
Just follow the links.
jbrown
2. Re: Llama/GTK updates
jbrown wrote:
> I have updated Llama/GTK again, this time I will try to keep it
> on my web site permanently.
I'm glad to see that someone's playing with it. I don't consider it one of my
great successes, but there are quite a number of interesting ideas involved,
and it uses OOP and inheritance on a grand scale.
Despite all it's flaws, "Llama" remains one of the best named projects I've
written. 
> (... All the silly little bugs I've had to fix, no wonder David Cuny
> gave up on Llama ...)
Who do you think put all the silly little bugs there in the first place? 
> David, I plan on turning Llama/GTK into a functional library
> with MINIMAL compatibility with Win32Lib. It would be quite
> difficult to create a fully functional clone of Win32Lib with all
> of its Win32 API functions on Linux ...
It's impossible to be 100% anyway. Just maintaining a similar API is enough.
The cool bit is being able to take the same code and run it under multiple
platforms.
Good luck!
-- David Cuny
3. Re: Llama/GTK updates
- Posted by rforno at tutopia.com
Apr 04, 2002
I am quite ignorant about this project. What is Llama good for?
TIA
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Cuny" <dcuny at LANSET.COM>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Subject: Re: Llama/GTK updates
jbrown wrote:
> I have updated Llama/GTK again, this time I will try to keep it
> on my web site permanently.
I'm glad to see that someone's playing with it. I don't consider it one of
my
great successes, but there are quite a number of interesting ideas involved,
and it uses OOP and inheritance on a grand scale.
Despite all it's flaws, "Llama" remains one of the best named projects I've
written.
> (... All the silly little bugs I've had to fix, no wonder David Cuny
> gave up on Llama ...)
Who do you think put all the silly little bugs there in the first place?
> David, I plan on turning Llama/GTK into a functional library
> with MINIMAL compatibility with Win32Lib. It would be quite
> difficult to create a fully functional clone of Win32Lib with all
> of its Win32 API functions on Linux ...
It's impossible to be 100% anyway. Just maintaining a similar API is enough.
The cool bit is being able to take the same code and run it under multiple
platforms.
Good luck!
-- David Cuny
4. Re: Llama/GTK updates
Its a widget set designed to be similar (and originally to replace)
Win32Lib. It uses GTK. (There is also a Llama/Win32 version, but I'm
not
sure why you would want to use it.) I chose to try to finish off where
David Cuny left off because I wanted Linux and Win32 Eu programmers to
be
able to be able write a GUI app which could contain the code for both
OSes in one program (although you would have to change one include
file,
and you would need seperate code for the system-dependant stuff (GUI
and
low-level). Also, if Llama becomes up to par with Win32Lib, then
newbies to Euphoria will be able to write simple GUI apps which
will run under either platform.
Should have mentioned this earlier in the above paragraph: David
wanted Llama to a a cross-platform object-oriented version of
Win32Lib. (BTW, originally there was also a Dos32Lib, and there is
also a Gtklib.)
BTW, David, thanks for all the good words and for wishing me luck.
And, of course, giving me a place to start. I doubt I could have
written
Llama/GTK from scratch if I had had to.
jbrown
On 0, rforno at tutopia.com wrote:
>
> I am quite ignorant about this project. What is Llama good for?
> TIA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Cuny" <dcuny at LANSET.COM>
> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Llama/GTK updates
>
>
> jbrown wrote:
>
> > I have updated Llama/GTK again, this time I will try to keep it
> > on my web site permanently.
>
> I'm glad to see that someone's playing with it. I don't consider it one of
> my
> great successes, but there are quite a number of interesting ideas involved,
> and it uses OOP and inheritance on a grand scale.
>
> Despite all it's flaws, "Llama" remains one of the best named projects I've
> written.
>
> > (... All the silly little bugs I've had to fix, no wonder David Cuny
> > gave up on Llama ...)
>
> Who do you think put all the silly little bugs there in the first place?
>
> > David, I plan on turning Llama/GTK into a functional library
> > with MINIMAL compatibility with Win32Lib. It would be quite
> > difficult to create a fully functional clone of Win32Lib with all
> > of its Win32 API functions on Linux ...
>
> It's impossible to be 100% anyway. Just maintaining a similar API is enough.
> The cool bit is being able to take the same code and run it under multiple
> platforms.
>
> Good luck!
>
> -- David Cuny
>
5. Re: Llama/GTK updates
rforno wrote:
> I am quite ignorant about this project. What is Llama good for?
Llama was an attempt to write a cross-platform GUI toolkit. It's based on an
object-oriented framework. This made it relatively painless to add new
components to the library, as opposed to the monolithic approach that
Win32Lib took.
There is a Windows, Linux, and DOS version of Llama. The Windows used the
Windows API - basically rewriting Win32Lib from scratch. The Linux version
was built around the GTK toolkit. The DOS version implemented it's own
controls.
Various shortcomings in the design, along with a realization of exactly how
much effort it would take to maintain three separate platforms of code,
convinced me to abandon Llama.
-- David Cuny
6. Llama/GTK updates
I've made many changes to Llama/GTK. Its now slowly becoming Win32Lib
compliant,
right now I'm trying to add the basic control commands to Llama. After
that's
done I'll begin coding new controls.
Happy to announce that Llama/GTK almost works on Win32, with the
execption of
Pixmaps/Bitmaps and Lists. (The Win32 tester, Juergen, used
gtkdlls-1.3,
but the Linux GTK libraries I have are version 1.2, does anyone have a
port
of the GTK 1.2 libraries to Windows? Or at least can anyone tell me
were to
look?)
Llama has moved from pre-alpha to the alpha stage, and I expect it to
move to
beta quite rapidly, as long as I get more testers and co-deveopers (all
3
plaforms, Linux, FreeBSD, and Windows, are welcome). Previous
experience
with GTK or Win32Lib is a plus, however its not required as I've
included
the documentation for both. (It'd probably help if you can speed-read,
but
again, not required.)
Derek, I have a question to ask of you. The setHandler() routine, is it
meant
to replace the old syntax, 'onSomeEvent[SomeControl] =
routine_id("SomeProc")',
or merely as an extention to it? I'm willing to add this syntax to
Llama/GTK,
but I'd like to know if you plan to make it obsolete before I do. (I
suppose
it'd be too much trouble for you to add the Llama connect() procedure
to
Win32Lib. *grumbles a bit suggestively*)
I've uploaded the new version to my site,
http://www.geocities.com/jbrown1050/llamagtk_tar_gz.html
jbrown
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