1. Requested Feature for EUForum
Since 2.5 is out, I'd like to make a request for the EUForum Web Interface.
Possibly adding a Edit Function, so that way, we can edit posts, incase we
accedently hit the send now button, without finishing our thoughts. :P
For the email send, you can have the original, plus an addenum, or hold the
message for 30 minutes, before posting it to the euforum topica list.
Mario Steele
http://enchantedblade.trilake.net
Attaining World Dominiation, one byte at a time...
2. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
Mario Steele wrote:
> Since 2.5 is out, I'd like to make a request for the EUForum Web Interface.
> Possibly adding a Edit Function, so that way, we can edit posts, incase we
> accedently hit the send now button, without finishing our thoughts. :P
>
> For the email send, you can have the original, plus an addenum, or hold the
> message for 30 minutes, before posting it to the euforum topica list.
Often enough, there is already considerable delay in mail delivery from
this list. 
No additional delay necessary IMHO.
Regards,
Juergen
3. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
Juergen Luethje wrote:
>
> Mario Steele wrote:
>
> > Since 2.5 is out, I'd like to make a request for the EUForum Web Interface.
> > Possibly adding a Edit Function, so that way, we can edit posts, incase we
> > accedently hit the send now button, without finishing our thoughts. :P
> >
> > For the email send, you can have the original, plus an addenum, or hold the
> > message for 30 minutes, before posting it to the euforum topica list.
>
> Often enough, there is already considerable delay in mail delivery from
> this list.
> No additional delay necessary IMHO.
>
> Regards,
> Juergen
>
I've got a geeky solution:
Send the original as is. Then send the modification as a diff patch :)
Regards, Alexander Toresson
4. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
Juergen Luethje wrote:
> Often enough, there is already considerable delay in mail delivery from
> this list.
> No additional delay necessary IMHO.
Actually, and Robert you can correct me on this, that Delay, is not the CGI
Submission proccess. It's the delay that it takes for the Email to be sent
from the CGI Form, to the Topica Email List, which then sends it back to
listfilter for checking, before approving it, and sending that notice back
to the Topica list, which then sends it out to the rest of the participants
on the EUForum Email Listing.
This is much the same table of organization when you send a email from an
3rd party Email Client, instead of the EuForum Web Interface.
Also, Robert,
I'd like to know how much Bandwidth is being used, average, in emails from
the Topica List, to the List Filter server, in a month. Reason why I ask,
is cause if the bandwidth isn't to high, I'm more then willing to work with
you on setting up a Mailing List, with my Web Host, to make that final move
away from the Topica system, and be free at last. 
Mario Steele
http://enchantedblade.trilake.net
Attaining World Dominiation, one byte at a time...
5. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
> Since 2.5 is out, I'd like to make a request for the EUForum Web Interface.
> Possibly adding a Edit Function, so that way, we can edit posts, incase we
> accedently hit the send now button, without finishing our thoughts. :P
>
> For the email send, you can have the original, plus an addenum, or hold the
> message for 30 minutes, before posting it to the euforum topica list.
I don't think this would work, because I have 3 years of EUForum
messages on my computer that will never get changed. :)
~Greg
6. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
Greg Haberek wrote:
> I don't think this would work, because I have 3 years of EUForum
> messages on my computer that will never get changed. :)
>
> ~Greg
I am talking about the web interface Greg, not the Actual Email Forum. For
thoes of us, who would prefer to use the Web Interface, instead of the Topica
email system, sometimes we can hit the Tab key (Like when entering code),
and watch our post get sent, when we're not finished. Or we accedently hit
the send button, and our post isn't done, or we happen to think about
something else, within a period of time, in which we need to add addenum to
our original post, without waisting multiple posts.
My original quotation for the time, can be changed, and should be allowed to
be specified by the user, so they can decide on how long before the timeout
happens, and their email is officially posted to the forum. Again, this is
for the Web Interface, to the EuForum, NOT the actual EuForum email list.
Mario Steele
http://enchantedblade.trilake.net
Attaining World Dominiation, one byte at a time...
7. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
Mario Steele wrote:
> Juergen Luethje wrote:
>> Often enough, there is already considerable delay in mail delivery from
>> this list.
>> No additional delay necessary IMHO.
>
> Actually, and Robert you can correct me on this, that Delay, is not the CGI
> Submission proccess. It's the delay that it takes for the Email to be sent
> from the CGI Form, to the Topica Email List, which then sends it back to
> listfilter for checking, before approving it, and sending that notice back
> to the Topica list, which then sends it out to the rest of the participants
> on the EUForum Email Listing.
>
> This is much the same table of organization when you send a email from an
> 3rd party Email Client, instead of the EuForum Web Interface.
Does that mean that your proposal
| ... hold the message for 30 minutes, before posting it to the euforum
| topica list.
would *not* cause any additional delay?
<snip>
Regards,
Juergen
8. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
The problem of sending the post too soon because of hitting the Tab-key
(and unintentionally leaving the textbox and giving focus to the
'Send Now'-button), can easily be solved by placing another button between
the textbox and the 'Send Now'-button. You can even add functionality to
that button: it could give focus back to the textbox when being pressed.
--
The Internet combines the excitement of typing
with the reliability of anonymous hearsay.
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9. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
Mario Steele wrote:
>
>
> posted by: Mario Steele <eumario at trilake.net>
>
> Greg Haberek wrote:
> > I don't think this would work, because I have 3 years of EUForum
> > messages on my computer that will never get changed. :)
> >
> > ~Greg
>
> I am talking about the web interface Greg, not the Actual Email Forum. For
> thoes of us, who would prefer to use the Web Interface, instead of the Topica
> email system, sometimes we can hit the Tab key (Like when entering code),
> and watch our post get sent, when we're not finished. Or we accedently hit
> the send button, and our post isn't done, or we happen to think about
> something else, within a period of time, in which we need to add addenum to
> our original post, without waisting multiple posts.
>
> My original quotation for the time, can be changed, and should be allowed to
> be specified by the user, so they can decide on how long before the timeout
> happens, and their email is officially posted to the forum. Again, this is
> for the Web Interface, to the EuForum, NOT the actual EuForum email list.
>
> Mario Steele
> http://enchantedblade.trilake.net
> Attaining World Dominiation, one byte at a time...
>
>
>
I'm glad the web interface got the word wrap, it works well. Well, even
though I'm trying out the email interface now, haha.
But instead of a delay, I think a (required) preview prior to sending
would be a better idea.
The listfilter software is getting very good. Rob, is anyone else using
it besided EUforum?
10. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
Tommy Carlier wrote:
>
>
> posted by: Tommy Carlier <tommy.carlier at telenet.be>
>
> The problem of sending the post too soon because of hitting the Tab-key
> (and unintentionally leaving the textbox and giving focus to the
> 'Send Now'-button), can easily be solved by placing another button between
> the textbox and the 'Send Now'-button. You can even add functionality to
> that button: it could give focus back to the textbox when being pressed.
So, you could hit tab twice to get to the send now button (and people
entering multiple tabs still might make mistakes). Seems like a
reasonable solution.
11. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
Juergen Luethje wrote:
<snip>
> Does that mean that your proposal
>
> | ... hold the message for 30 minutes, before posting it to the euforum
> | topica list.
>
> would *not* cause any additional delay?
</snip>
No, I am not saying that, the delay would be there to protect you from
making mistakes. But as Jason grade pointed out, it could also be a
required preview page, so you can review what you have written. The point
I was trying to get across, was the fact that there needs to be a
confirmation that your finished with your post, and that your ready to
submit it to the forum. Whatever method is choosen to do this with, is
up to Robert and Junko.
But I do thank them for their work in getting the Word Wrap going. That was
a pain, having to format your message, before sending it.
Mario Steele
http://enchantedblade.trilake.net
Attaining World Dominiation, one byte at a time...
12. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
Mario Steele wrote:
>
> No, I am not saying that, the delay would be there to protect you from
> making mistakes. But as Jason grade pointed out, it could also be a
> required preview page, so you can review what you have written. The point
> I was trying to get across, was the fact that there needs to be a
> confirmation that your finished with your post, and that your ready to
> submit it to the forum. Whatever method is choosen to do this with, is
> up to Robert and Junko.
>
> But I do thank them for their work in getting the Word Wrap going. That was
> a pain, having to format your message, before sending it.
>
I don't really think that editing a post is such a great thing. Thinking
out loud here...how would you know that a post you'd already read had been
updated? The best thing would probably be to repost it, at which point,
we might as well just repost. It's not that hard to copy and paste and
re-edit.
Personally, I don't mind the word wrap so much, but the increased text box
size is *very* nice. The top of my wish list is a preview feature. I don't
think that any delay or extra button or whatever is going to prevent that
many mistakes, although putting a preview button before the send button would
probably save a few people. A delay is a bad idea. I suspect that it will
cause lots of complaining and double posting.
Matt Lewis
13. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
Mario Steele wrote:
> Actually, and Robert you can correct me on this, that Delay, is not the CGI
> Submission proccess. It's the delay that it takes for the Email to be sent
> from the CGI Form, to the Topica Email List, which then sends it back to
> listfilter for checking, before approving it, and sending that notice back
> to the Topica list, which then sends it out to the rest of the participants
> on the EUForum Email Listing.
When you post via the Web interface, there is normally a small
delay of a minute or so before your message appears on the
Web interface. That's due to a separate filter process that I
have running that checks for messages every minute or so.
It also checks for "to-be-moderated" messages from Topica.
At the same time as it appears on the Web, your message is sent
to Topica for e-mail distribution. Topica can sometimes introduce
a delay of anywhere from a minute to several hours.
> Also, Robert,
>
> I'd like to know how much Bandwidth is being used, average, in emails from
> the Topica List, to the List Filter server, in a month. Reason why I ask,
> is cause if the bandwidth isn't to high, I'm more then willing to work with
> you on setting up a Mailing List, with my Web Host, to make that final move
> away from the Topica system, and be free at last.
You can multiply each message that's posted by 450 or so for all the
e-mail subscribers. But what's worse, is you'll attract a huge
amount of SPAM to your host machine, and also your host machine might
get put on a SPAM blacklist because of all the messages it sends out.
I'm still wondering if RSS can be used. It doesn't involve
broadcasting e-mails. Not everyone would want to use it though.
I did a small test, that worked, but I didn't see how it
could completely replace e-mail.
Regards,
Rob Craig
Rapid Deployment Software
http://www.RapidEuphoria.com
14. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
Jason Gade wrote:
> The listfilter software is getting very good. Rob, is anyone else using
> it besided EUforum?
There were a few people, but not any more.
It attracts a lot of SPAM which
causes concern to my host machine provider.
I'd rather avoid the hassles, and concentrate on Euphoria.
It might be better to sell the ListFilter software and install it
on the customer's own machine, rather than charging a usage fee.
Regards,
Rob Craig
Rapid Deployment Software
http://www.RapidEuphoria.com
15. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
Robert Craig wrote:
> I'm still wondering if RSS can be used. It doesn't involve
> broadcasting e-mails. Not everyone would want to use it though.
> I did a small test, that worked, but I didn't see how it
> could completely replace e-mail.
I really like RSS. I use the Opera browser, that has a built-in
e-mail client and RSS reader. For me, incoming e-mails and newsfeeds
are treated the same.
I think you should definitely try it out, make the RSS public,
and see if it works. If you need someone to test, just let me know
--
The Internet combines the excitement of typing
with the reliability of anonymous hearsay.
tommy online: http://users.telenet.be/tommycarlier
tommy.blog: http://tommycarlier.blogspot.com
16. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
Robert Craig wrote:
>
>
> posted by: Robert Craig <rds at RapidEuphoria.com>
>
> Jason Gade wrote:
> > The listfilter software is getting very good. Rob, is anyone else using
> > it besided EUforum?
>
> There were a few people, but not any more.
> It attracts a lot of SPAM which
> causes concern to my host machine provider.
> I'd rather avoid the hassles, and concentrate on Euphoria.
> It might be better to sell the ListFilter software and install it
> on the customer's own machine, rather than charging a usage fee.
>
> Regards,
> Rob Craig
> Rapid Deployment Software
> http://www.RapidEuphoria.com
Right, it makes more sense to sell the software. That was kind of what
I had assumed.
17. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
Robert Craig wrote:
>
> Mario Steele wrote:
> > Actually, and Robert you can correct me on this, that Delay, is not the CGI
> > Submission proccess. It's the delay that it takes for the Email to be sent
> > from the CGI Form, to the Topica Email List, which then sends it back to
> > listfilter for checking, before approving it, and sending that notice back
> > to the Topica list, which then sends it out to the rest of the participants
> > on the EUForum Email Listing.
>
> When you post via the Web interface, there is normally a small
> delay of a minute or so before your message appears on the
> Web interface. That's due to a separate filter process that I
> have running that checks for messages every minute or so.
> It also checks for "to-be-moderated" messages from Topica.
> At the same time as it appears on the Web, your message is sent
> to Topica for e-mail distribution. Topica can sometimes introduce
> a delay of anywhere from a minute to several hours.
>
> > Also, Robert,
> >
> > I'd like to know how much Bandwidth is being used, average, in emails from
> > the Topica List, to the List Filter server, in a month. Reason why I ask,
> > is cause if the bandwidth isn't to high, I'm more then willing to work with
> > you on setting up a Mailing List, with my Web Host, to make that final move
> > away from the Topica system, and be free at last.
>
> You can multiply each message that's posted by 450 or so for all the
> e-mail subscribers. But what's worse, is you'll attract a huge
> amount of SPAM to your host machine, and also your host machine might
> get put on a SPAM blacklist because of all the messages it sends out.
>
> I'm still wondering if RSS can be used. It doesn't involve
> broadcasting e-mails. Not everyone would want to use it though.
> I did a small test, that worked, but I didn't see how it
> could completely replace e-mail.
RSS ain't replacing e-mail, it's a quick and automatic way of checking what new
messages have been posted.
Regards, Alexander Toresson
18. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
Alexander Toresson wrote:
>
> Robert Craig wrote:
> >
> > I'm still wondering if RSS can be used. It doesn't involve
> > broadcasting e-mails. Not everyone would want to use it though.
> > I did a small test, that worked, but I didn't see how it
> > could completely replace e-mail.
>
> RSS ain't replacing e-mail, it's a quick and automatic way of checking what
> new messages
> have been posted.
>
Right. It would replace me hitting refresh all the time on my browser. I
imagine that I'd download it, and there'd be a link in a message for reply
that would take me to the listfilter interface. I'd definitely be
interested in an RSS feed of EUForum.
Matt Lewis
19. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
Matt Lewis wrote:
>
> Alexander Toresson wrote:
> >
> > Robert Craig wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm still wondering if RSS can be used. It doesn't involve
> > > broadcasting e-mails. Not everyone would want to use it though.
> > > I did a small test, that worked, but I didn't see how it
> > > could completely replace e-mail.
> >
> > RSS ain't replacing e-mail, it's a quick and automatic way of checking what
> > new messages
> > have been posted.
> >
>
> Right. It would replace me hitting refresh all the time on my browser. I
> imagine that I'd download it, and there'd be a link in a message for reply
> that would take me to the listfilter interface. I'd definitely be
> interested in an RSS feed of EUForum.
>
> Matt Lewis
>
Firefox supports RSS and its terrific. I abandoned Topica completely soon
after the Web interface for EuForum was set up. What are the arguements for
keeping a mailing list? oooooh attachments?
By the way, browsing the "D" language forum made me realize how spoiled
I am by the EuForum "Powered by Euphoria". Good job Rob!
RSS is the way to go! :)
Ken Rhodes
100% Microsoft Free!
20. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
Kenneth Rhodes wrote:
>
> Firefox supports RSS and its terrific. I abandoned Topica completely soon
> after the Web interface for EuForum was set up. What are the arguements for
> keeping a mailing list? oooooh attachments?
One word: Threading. That's why I'm re-trying the mailing list from
email.
>
> By the way, browsing the "D" language forum made me realize how spoiled
> I am by the EuForum "Powered by Euphoria". Good job Rob!
>
> RSS is the way to go! :)
>
> Ken Rhodes
> 100% Microsoft Free!
I still don't understand RSS completely. I have no idea how it works.
21. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
- Posted by "Juergen Luethje" <j.lue at gmx.de>
Apr 06, 2005
-
Last edited Apr 07, 2005
Kenneth Rhodes wrote:
<snip>
> Firefox supports RSS and its terrific. I abandoned Topica completely soon
> after the Web interface for EuForum was set up. What are the arguements for
> keeping a mailing list? oooooh attachments?
<snip>
There *are* arguments for a mailing list. I've menzioned several of them
in the past. It's not necessary to repeat them, I've got other things to
do. You can look into the archieves.
Beside other things, it has to do with personal taste and habits. I
definitely prefer e-mail. If you prefer web-interface and RSS, that's
OK for me, I will not argue against it. But you please not argue against
e-mail, just because YOU are not interested in it. Just keep in mind,
that YOUR preferences are not automatically identical with the
preferences of other people.
Regards,
Juergen
22. Re: Requested Feature for EUForum
Mario Steele wrote:
> I am talking about the web interface Greg, not the Actual Email Forum. For
> thoes of us, who would prefer to use the Web Interface, instead of the Topica
> email system, sometimes we can hit the Tab key (Like when entering code),
> and watch our post get sent, when we're not finished. Or we accedently hit
> the send button, and our post isn't done, or we happen to think about
> something else, within a period of time, in which we need to add addenum to
> our original post, without waisting multiple posts.
>
I agree with Mario.
However I say add the feature 'delete last messag'.
1.)Only the sender could do this.
2.)and it could only be done on the last message the form received.
Forget the editing .
You just have to start all over and send a new message.
don cole
SF
