1. Can invisible window works ????

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HI FOLKS

My program creates a window named "Win1".

I make invisible the window "Win1" and run others
aplications  like "wordpad" and so on,  that's easy no
problem, and i can enable any hotkeys
to do anything like as turn "Win1" visible again..

But how I do this invisible, so no focus window
"Win1", detect and get values of any key events from
the keyboard and don't causes interference in with
thats aplications where are runing at same time ?

 
Thanks for all,

Sergio 



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<DIV><BR><STRONG>My program creates a window named "Win1".</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I&nbsp;make invisible the window "Win1" </STRONG><STRONG>and run 
others</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>aplications </STRONG><STRONG>&nbsp;like "wordpad" and so on, 
&nbsp;</STRONG><STRONG>that's easy no</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>problem, and i can&nbsp;enable any hotkeys</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>to do anything like as turn "Win1" visible again..</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>But how I do this invisible, so no focus&nbsp;window</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>"Win1", detect </STRONG><STRONG>and get values of any key events 
from</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>the keyboard </STRONG><STRONG>and don't causes interference in 
with</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>thats aplications where are runing at same time 
</STRONG><STRONG>?</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><STRONG><BR></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Thanks for all,</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Sergio <BR></STRONG></DIV>

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2. Can invisible window works ????

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HI FOLKS

My program creates a window named "Win1".

I make invisible the window "Win1" and run others
aplications  like "wordpad" and so on,  that's easy no
problem, and i can enable any hotkeys
to do anything like as turn "Win1" visible again..

But how I do this invisible, so no focus window
"Win1", detect and get values of any key events from
the keyboard and don't causes interference in with
thats aplications where are runing at same time ?


Thanks for all,

Sergio 



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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>HI FOLKS</FONT></STRONG></DIV><FONT 
face=Arial color=#0000ff><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT color=#000000 
size=2></FONT>
<DIV><BR><STRONG>My program creates a window named "Win1".</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I&nbsp;make invisible the window "Win1" </STRONG><STRONG>and run 
others</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>aplications </STRONG><STRONG>&nbsp;like "wordpad" and so on, 
&nbsp;</STRONG><STRONG>that's easy no</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>problem, and i can&nbsp;enable any hotkeys</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>to do anything like as turn "Win1" visible again..</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>But how I do this invisible, so no focus&nbsp;window</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>"Win1", detect </STRONG><STRONG>and get values of any key events 
from</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>the keyboard </STRONG><STRONG>and don't causes interference in 
with</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>thats aplications where are runing at same time 
</STRONG><STRONG>?</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><STRONG><BR></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Thanks for all,</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Sergio <BR></STRONG></DIV>

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3. Re: Can invisible window works ????

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From: Audiophoto 
Subject: Can invisible window works ????



HI FOLKS

My program creates a window named "Win1".

I make invisible the window "Win1" and run others
aplications  like "wordpad" and so on,  that's easy no
problem, and i can enable any hotkeys
to do anything like as turn "Win1" visible again..

But how I do this invisible, so no focus window
"Win1", detect and get values of any key events from
the keyboard and don't causes interference in with
thats aplications where are runing at same time ?


-------------
Sounds like you are trying to intercept the keystrokes from other applications.
Why would you want to do that?

-- 
Derek

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4. Re: Can invisible window works ????

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December 06, 2003 2:18 AM<BR>Subject: Can invisible window works
????<BR><BR><BR><BR>HI FOLKS<BR><BR>My program creates a window named
"Win1".<BR><BR>I make invisible the window "Win1" and run
others<BR>aplications like "wordpad" and so on, that's easy no<BR>problem,
and i can enable any hotkeys<BR>to do anything like as turn "Win1" visible
again..<BR><BR>But how I do this invisible, so no focus window<BR>"Win1",
detect and get values of any key events from<BR>the keyboard and don't
causes interference in with<BR>thats aplications where are runing at same
time ?<BR><BR><BR>-------------<BR>Sounds like you are trying to intercept
the keystrokes from other applications. Why would you want to do that?
<BR><BR>-- <BR>Derek</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I want made a keylogger, a
tin program how stay monitoring all press keys and put hem to a file .TXT
<BR>

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5. Re: Can invisible window works ????

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Para: "EUforum at topica.com" <EUforum at topica.com>
Assunto: Re: Can invisible window works ????
Data: 06/12/03 09:23

EUforum at topica.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 2:18 AM
Subject: Can invisible window works ????



HI FOLKS

My program creates a window named "Win1".

I make invisible the window "Win1" and run others
aplications like "wordpad" and so on, that's easy no
problem, and i can enable any hotkeys
to do anything like as turn "Win1" visible again..

But how I do this invisible, so no focus window
"Win1", detect and get values of any key events from
the keyboard and don't causes interference in with
thats aplications where are runing at same time ?


-------------
Sounds like you are trying to intercept the keystrokes from other applications.
Why would you want to do that?

-- 
Derek

I want made a keylogger, a tin program how stay monitoring all press keys and
put hem to a file .TXT

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This would be one way to steal passwords. Sorry, not interested.

-- 
Derek

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6. Re: Can invisible window works ????

include win32lib.ew

constant
NoWin = create( Window, "", 0, 0, 0, 10, 10, {WS_POPUP})

procedure onOpen(integer self, integer event, sequence parms)
   showWindow( NoWin,  SW_HIDE)
   setHandler(NoWin, w32HPaint, routine_id(-1))
end procedure
setHandler(NoWin, w32HPaint, routine_id("onOpen"))

WinMain( NoWin, SW_HIDE )

But, this would be a stupid script-kiddie routine there are much better
avenues to take if you wanted to invent a keylogger system......ones
that cant be turned off so easily!

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7. Re: Can invisible window works ????

HI FOLKS

My program creates a window named "Win1".

I make invisible the window "Win1" and run others
aplications like "wordpad" and so on, that's easy no
problem, and i can enable any hotkeys
to do anything like as turn "Win1" visible again..

But how I do this invisible, so no focus window
"Win1", detect and get values of any key events from
the keyboard and don't causes interference in with
thats aplications where are runing at same time ?


-------------
Sounds like you are trying to intercept the keystrokes from other
applications. Why would you want to do that? 

-- 
Derek

I want made a keylogger, a tin program how stay monitoring all press keys
and put hem to a file .TXT 

--------
This would be one way to steal passwords. Sorry, not interested.

-- 
Derek 

---------------------

O.K. Mister Derek,

My congratulations to your straightforwardness, integrity demonstration.

But my real intention don't are STEAL PASSWORDS,
to do that anyone can easy download freewere programs like

     SpyArsenal.com Home Keylogger 1.70  
 
and please remenber, this isn't unique program's  porpose, it can 
be used by self safety.

and everyone can resguard yours systems with also freeewere programs like

     Bazooka Adware and Spywarw Scanner 1.12

who detect if keyloggers and others things  are active in your machine.

So, every one can STEAL PASSWORDS or to avoid it without spend effort.
That's enough do a download in the Internet.

A good thinking and  advice: Problens under the sun will be resolveds, the
others maybe will not !!!

So, if any keylogger unmask any PASSWORD in tha case his program is very
feeble.

Sorry my Inglish and best regards.

Sergio

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8. Re: Can invisible window works ????

Derek Parnell wrote:

>Sounds like you are trying to intercept the keystrokes from other applications.
>Why would you want to do that?
>  
>
Derek, you shouldn't assume the worst... I had a keylogger once to help
me monitor my children's activity on the internet. It's since been
removed, but I'll probably install one on the new PCs I'm getting them
for Christmas. I don't really believe they'll do anything against the
values I've tried to instill in them, but nobody's perfect. ;)

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9. Re: Can invisible window works ????

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "C. K. Lester" <euphoric at cklester.com>
To: <EUforum at topica.com>
Subject: Re: Can invisible window works ????


> 
> 
> Derek Parnell wrote:
> 
> >Sounds like you are trying to intercept the keystrokes from other
> >applications. Why would you want to do that?
> >  
> >
> Derek, you shouldn't assume the worst... 


Most of my work is in computer security - cryptography, secure transmissions,
user access, etc... I'm used to thinking the "worst" of users.

-- 
Derek

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10. Re: Can invisible window works ????

On 8 Dec 2003, at 7:51, Derek Parnell wrote:

> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "C. K. Lester" <euphoric at cklester.com>
> To: <EUforum at topica.com>
> Subject: Re: Can invisible window works ????
> 
> 
> > Derek Parnell wrote:
> > 
> > >Sounds like you are trying to intercept the keystrokes from other
> > >applications. Why would you want to do that? 
> > >  
> > >
> > Derek, you shouldn't assume the worst... 
> 
> 
> Most of my work is in computer security - cryptography, secure transmissions,
> user access, etc... I'm used to thinking the "worst" of users.

I agree with Derek,, but not 100%, because mirc can do hidden windows, 
and they are useful for all the standard window commands, such as sorting 
in various ways, as a quicky/dirty database with all the access methods a 
window has, or to hide mirc's "real" irc channel windows and devise custom 
ones for display.

Kat

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11. Re: Can invisible window works ????

On 8 Dec 2003, at 7:51, Derek Parnell wrote:

> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "C. K. Lester" <euphoric at cklester.com>
> To: <EUforum at topica.com>
> Subject: Re: Can invisible window works ????
> 
> 
> > Derek Parnell wrote:
> > 
> > >Sounds like you are trying to intercept the keystrokes from other
> > >applications. Why would you want to do that? 
> > >  
> > >
> > Derek, you shouldn't assume the worst... 
> 
> 
> Most of my work is in computer security - cryptography, secure transmissions,
> user access, etc... I'm used to thinking the "worst" of users.

I agree with Derek,, but not 100%, because mirc can do hidden windows, 
and they are useful for all the standard window commands, such as sorting 
in various ways, as a quicky/dirty database with all the access methods a 
window has, or to hide mirc's "real" irc channel windows and devise custom 
ones
for display.

Kat

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