1. Another Web Site
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I have created a web site in the MSN community
named Eu4IA. Here you can post files, messages
calendar events, Chat, recommend things, even upload=20
a picture of yourself and all you have to do is
click on the link below.......
This site was created in one big hurry dont expect too much
right now, it will get better.....
http://communities.msn.com/Eu4IA
for the member function's you'll need a hotmail or passport account.... =
click below if you have neither.
http://communities.msn.com/Eu4IA/join
BTW, the files section are for 50k or less files.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have created a web site in the MSN=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>named Eu4IA. Here you can post files,=20
messages</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>calendar events, Chat, recommend =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This site was created in one big hurry =
dont expect=20
too much</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>right now, it will get =
better.....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>for the member function's you'll =
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2. Re: Another Web Site
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:08:27 -0400, Wayne Overman <euman at BELLSOUTH.NET>
wrote:
>for the member function's you'll need a hotmail or passport account....
click below if you have neither.
>
>http://communities.msn.com/Eu4IA/join
>
Does this mean that you have to signup to use the site
and fill your mailbox with junk mail ?
3. Re: Another Web Site
On 26 Aug 2000, at 13:24, Bernie wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:08:27 -0400, Wayne Overman <euman at BELLSOUTH.NET>
> wrote:
>
> >for the member function's you'll need a hotmail or passport account....
> click below if you have neither.
> >
> >http://communities.msn.com/Eu4IA/join
> >
>
> Does this mean that you have to signup to use the site
> and fill your mailbox with junk mail ?
Btw, "passport account" = internet tracking you by Microsoft. At each site that
MS owns, your
puter will dump a file about you to the site, including the site urls you
visited last. Not for me,
thanks.
Kat
4. Re: Another Web Site
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http://communities.msn.com/Eu4IA
does not exist anymore.....! ! !
euman at bellsouth.net
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5. Re: Another Web Site
OK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kat" <gertie at PELL.NET>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: Another Web Site
> On 26 Aug 2000, at 13:24, Bernie wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:08:27 -0400, Wayne Overman <euman at BELLSOUTH.NET>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >for the member function's you'll need a hotmail or passport account....
> > click below if you have neither.
> > >
> > >http://communities.msn.com/Eu4IA/join
> > >
> >
> > Does this mean that you have to signup to use the site
> > and fill your mailbox with junk mail ?
>
> Btw, "passport account" = internet tracking you by Microsoft. At each site
that MS owns, your
> puter will dump a file about you to the site, including the site urls you
visited last. Not for me,
> thanks.
>
> Kat
>
6. Re: Another Web Site
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Kat wrote:
> On 26 Aug 2000, at 13:24, Bernie wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:08:27 -0400, Wayne Overman <euman at BELLSOUTH.NET>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >for the member function's you'll need a hotmail or passport account....
> > click below if you have neither.
> > >
>
> Btw, "passport account" = internet tracking you by Microsoft. At each site
> that MS owns, your
> puter will dump a file about you to the site, including the site urls you
> visited last. Not for me,
> thanks.
Kat:
I heard somewhere that it also dumps a list of MS apps that are on your
computer, in case you "borrowed" some. Can you confirm this?
(not that I use MS apps, borrowed or otherwise :)
Regards,
Irv
7. Re: Another Web Site
On 26 Aug 2000, at 16:44, irv wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Kat wrote:
> > On 26 Aug 2000, at 13:24, Bernie wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:08:27 -0400, Wayne Overman <euman at BELLSOUTH.NET>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >for the member function's you'll need a hotmail or passport account....
> > > click below if you have neither.
> > > >
> >
> > Btw, "passport account" = internet tracking you by Microsoft. At each site
> > that MS owns, your
> > puter will dump a file about you to the site, including the site urls you
> > visited last. Not for
> > me, thanks.
>
> Kat:
>
> I heard somewhere that it also dumps a list of MS apps that are on your
> computer, in case you "borrowed" some. Can you confirm this?
> (not that I use MS apps, borrowed or otherwise :)
>
Well, actually, your web browser ( IE ) does this too, for all applications in
the registry. It does
this allegedly so the web page server can put together a page that you can use.
Yea, right.
When i set the User-Agent field in the http headers to "Gertie (Win3.68)" and
surfed over to
some MS sites, the firewall logged four hits from MS the next day. I have set
the Accept field to
text/html (this is normally where your browser tells the site what all the apps
on your puter are,
such as Flash, WinZip, MSPaint, etc.), and the User-Agent in another browser to
Mozilla/4.0
(compatible; mIRC5.51) (normally this specifies (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows
95; DigExt),
etc).
Here is what one browser said to me when it asked me for a file These are the
types of files, and
in some cases the name of the application, that the person has installed on his
puter):
Accept: text/html, text/plain, audio/x-midi, audio/mid, audio/midi, audio/wav,
audio/voc, audio/*,
image/jpeg, image/gif, image/tiff, image/*, video/x-flick, message/partial,
message/external-
body, application/postscript, x-be2
Accept: application/andrew-inset, text/richtext, x-sun-attachment, audio-file,
default,
audio/basic, audio/*, audio/basic, image/jpeg, image/*, image/gif, image/x-xwd,
message/partial,
message/external-body, application/postscript, x-be2
Accept: application/andrew-inset, text/richtext, text/enriched,
x-sun-attachment, audio-file,
postscript-file, default, mail-file, sun-deskset-message,
application/x-metamail-patch,
application/applefile, text/sgml, */*;q=0.01
Accept-Encoding: gzip, compress
Accept-Language: en
User-Agent: Lynx/2.8.2rel.1 libwww-FM/2.14
Here is what another sent:
Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
application/vnd.ms-powerpoint,
application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, application/x-comet, */*
Accept-Language: en-us
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)
Another browser told me the person has WebWasher installed and running, and it's
version
number:
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95) WebWasher/1.2.2
The passport account software is active and separate from the browser, and other
than staying
away from it, i haven't researched it. I highly suspect it has all the
capabilities that ActiveX and
javascript and VBscript have tho, in other words, it can read every byte on your
harddrive. There
has been a push in the software industry, including MS, to code all the
applications so a web
page can delete the application from your harddrives if they want to. To do
this, the browser
must tell the web page that you have the application, the version, the
registration number, the
harddrive path to the app (a browser that is JS/ActiveX-enabled can do this
now), then the site
does the research as to the correct legal owner of that software (they can do
this now), and then
the browser must accept the command to then delete that directory (a browser
that is
JS/ActiveX-enabled can do this now). The cure for this, to stop an errant web
page server from
deleting your legal software, is to route the browser thru a filtering proxy,
and don't install the
passport software (which will surely bypass the proxy). And btw, most free isps
"break" the
proxy settings in the browser, meaning you must use another box on a lan to run
the proxy, or
use a web proxy. What is scary is that when your puter connects to the internet,
it does an
RARP broadcast, supposedly to verify it's online. It sends the packet to a site
that MS has
funded, altho MS denies it collects or uses the minimal info contained in the
packet. However,
since all MS OSs are susceptable to hijacking by re-routing this transaction,
and because the
transaction is unnecessary, and because MS has a finger in it, i block it in the
firewall also, in
outgoing and incoming.
Wow, does all that sound paranoid or what??
Kat
8. Re: Another Web Site
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why dont you wip up a little prog to save us all
from the big bad MS......hehe
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9. Re: Another Web Site
Kat,
Paranoid? If so, that makes a pair of us (pair a noids!)! I set up a free
firewall after I saw that some commercial programs *for children* were
sending encrypted info back to the company when on internet after child used
program. And since I have set up a passport account in order to ask MS
questions about software problems, now I'm concerned about *that* too.
Sigh.
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kat" <gertie at PELL.NET>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: Another Web Site
> On 26 Aug 2000, at 16:44, irv wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Kat wrote:
> > > On 26 Aug 2000, at 13:24, Bernie wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:08:27 -0400, Wayne Overman
<euman at BELLSOUTH.NET>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >for the member function's you'll need a hotmail or passport
account....
> > > > click below if you have neither.
> > > > >
> > >
> > > Btw, "passport account" = internet tracking you by Microsoft. At each
site that MS owns, your
> > > puter will dump a file about you to the site, including the site urls
you visited last. Not for
> > > me, thanks.
> >
> > Kat:
> >
> > I heard somewhere that it also dumps a list of MS apps that are on your
> > computer, in case you "borrowed" some. Can you confirm this?
> > (not that I use MS apps, borrowed or otherwise :)
> >
>
> Well, actually, your web browser ( IE ) does this too, for all
applications in the registry. It does
> this allegedly so the web page server can put together a page that you can
use. Yea, right.
> When i set the User-Agent field in the http headers to "Gertie (Win3.68)"
and surfed over to
> some MS sites, the firewall logged four hits from MS the next day. I have
set the Accept field to
> text/html (this is normally where your browser tells the site what all the
apps on your puter are,
> such as Flash, WinZip, MSPaint, etc.), and the User-Agent in another
browser to Mozilla/4.0
> (compatible; mIRC5.51) (normally this specifies (compatible; MSIE 5.0;
Windows 95; DigExt),
> etc).
>
> Here is what one browser said to me when it asked me for a file These are
the types of files, and
> in some cases the name of the application, that the person has installed
on his puter):
>
> Accept: text/html, text/plain, audio/x-midi, audio/mid, audio/midi,
audio/wav, audio/voc, audio/*,
> image/jpeg, image/gif, image/tiff, image/*, video/x-flick,
message/partial, message/external-
> body, application/postscript, x-be2
> Accept: application/andrew-inset, text/richtext, x-sun-attachment,
audio-file, default,
> audio/basic, audio/*, audio/basic, image/jpeg, image/*, image/gif,
image/x-xwd, message/partial,
> message/external-body, application/postscript, x-be2
> Accept: application/andrew-inset, text/richtext, text/enriched,
x-sun-attachment, audio-file,
> postscript-file, default, mail-file, sun-deskset-message,
application/x-metamail-patch,
> application/applefile, text/sgml, */*;q=0.01
> Accept-Encoding: gzip, compress
> Accept-Language: en
> User-Agent: Lynx/2.8.2rel.1 libwww-FM/2.14
>
> Here is what another sent:
>
> Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
application/vnd.ms-powerpoint,
> application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, application/x-comet, */*
> Accept-Language: en-us
> Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
> User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)
>
> Another browser told me the person has WebWasher installed and running,
and it's version
> number:
>
> User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95)
WebWasher/1.2.2
>
> The passport account software is active and separate from the browser, and
other than staying
> away from it, i haven't researched it. I highly suspect it has all the
capabilities that ActiveX and
> javascript and VBscript have tho, in other words, it can read every byte
on your harddrive. There
> has been a push in the software industry, including MS, to code all the
applications so a web
> page can delete the application from your harddrives if they want to. To
do this, the browser
> must tell the web page that you have the application, the version, the
registration number, the
> harddrive path to the app (a browser that is JS/ActiveX-enabled can do
this now), then the site
> does the research as to the correct legal owner of that software (they can
do this now), and then
> the browser must accept the command to then delete that directory (a
browser that is
> JS/ActiveX-enabled can do this now). The cure for this, to stop an errant
web page server from
> deleting your legal software, is to route the browser thru a filtering
proxy, and don't install the
> passport software (which will surely bypass the proxy). And btw, most free
isps "break" the
> proxy settings in the browser, meaning you must use another box on a lan
to run the proxy, or
> use a web proxy. What is scary is that when your puter connects to the
internet, it does an
> RARP broadcast, supposedly to verify it's online. It sends the packet to a
site that MS has
> funded, altho MS denies it collects or uses the minimal info contained in
the packet. However,
> since all MS OSs are susceptable to hijacking by re-routing this
transaction, and because the
> transaction is unnecessary, and because MS has a finger in it, i block it
in the firewall also, in
> outgoing and incoming.
>
> Wow, does all that sound paranoid or what??
>
> Kat
10. Re: Another Web Site
- Posted by irv <irv at ELLIJAY.COM>
Aug 26, 2000
-
Last edited Aug 27, 2000
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Kat wrote:
>
> Well, actually, your web browser ( IE ) does this too, for all applications in
> the registry. It does
> this allegedly so the web page server can put together a page that you can
> use. Yea, right.
> When i set the User-Agent field in the http headers to "Gertie (Win3.68)" and
> surfed over to
> some MS sites, the firewall logged four hits from MS the next day. I have set
> the Accept field to
> text/html (this is normally where your browser tells the site what all the
> apps on your puter are,
> such as Flash, WinZip, MSPaint, etc.), and the User-Agent in another browser
> to Mozilla/4.0
> (compatible; mIRC5.51) (normally this specifies (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows
> 95; DigExt),
> etc).
>
<snip>
>
> Wow, does all that sound paranoid or what??
>
Wow. Thanks, Kat.
If it were anyone but MS, I wouldn't be too concerned. Knowing their
history and MO, however, this should be enough to worry anybody.
A thought: deleted files would be noticed quickly. Inserting bugs into
the competition's software would be less easily detected. Do you suppose
they haven't thougt of that?
..
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
Regards,
Irv
11. Re: Another Web Site
- Posted by irv <irv at ELLIJAY.COM>
Aug 26, 2000
-
Last edited Aug 27, 2000
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Dan wrote:
> Kat,
>
> Paranoid? If so, that makes a pair of us (pair a noids!)! I set up a free
> firewall after I saw that some commercial programs *for children* were
> sending encrypted info back to the company when on internet after child used
> program. And since I have set up a passport account in order to ask MS
> questions about software problems, now I'm concerned about *that* too.
> Sigh.
Maybe it was just "checking registration", but I doubt it. There's a lot of
personal info stored on our computers.
I'm waiting for the only logical outcome of this - suppose company M finds a
copy of their software on Joe's pc, and deletes or disables it.
Further, suppose that Joe digs up a receipt which shows he legally owns the
software. Now, he can claim that company M owes him 12 zillion dollars for lost
revenue, and with 12 zillion dollars at stake, you know Joe will have the best
lawyers money can buy.
The jury will be sympathetic, of course....
"Ladies and Genmen of the Jury, this is nothing less than a high-tech HOME
INVASION !:..." and increase the amount to 20 zillion, bankrupting company M.
Save your receipts...
Irv
12. Re: Another Web Site
- Posted by Kat <gertie at PELL.NET>
Aug 26, 2000
-
Last edited Aug 27, 2000
On 26 Aug 2000, at 18:39, Wayne Overman wrote:
> why dont you wip up a little prog to save us all
> from the big bad MS......hehe
>
It's not just MS. For instance, demon.com isp in UK once stated in their AUP
that since you
connected to them to get a web page, they had the right to get into your puter
too, and they
actively searched everyone for trojans such as BO to do it, too. One of the
internet advertising
companies bought a real life consumer database company, and is crossindexing the
net
activities with what they know about you irl. When AOL bought ICQ, the *AOL*
servers began
contacting my puter (so i blocked them and dropped ICQ), and since AOL bought
Netscape (and
i stopped using Netscape), Netscape now phones home, rather like the auto-update
that's in
MS's IE. Naturally those auto-updates send back info about everything on your
puter, cause of
course MS and Netscape need to know if their software works with everyone's
puter,, that's
basic customer service, right?
Kat
13. Re: Another Web Site
On 26 Aug 2000, at 21:50, irv wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Dan wrote:
> > Kat,
> >
> > Paranoid? If so, that makes a pair of us (pair a noids!)! I set up a free
> > firewall after I saw that some commercial programs *for children* were
> > sending encrypted info back to the company when on internet after child used
> > program. And since I have set up a passport account in order to ask MS
> > questions about software problems, now I'm concerned about *that* too.
> > Sigh.
>
> Maybe it was just "checking registration", but I doubt it. There's a lot of
> personal info stored on our computers.
>
> I'm waiting for the only logical outcome of this - suppose company M finds a
> copy of their software on Joe's pc, and deletes or disables it.
> Further, suppose that Joe digs up a receipt which shows he legally owns the
> software. Now, he can claim that company M owes him 12 zillion dollars for
> lost
> revenue, and with 12 zillion dollars at stake, you know Joe will have the best
> lawyers money can buy.
I wouldn't get to the conclusion that he will have lawyers, or the best ones,
not after
what happene to me last week in court. I went in with medical bills, government
eyewitnesses and documents, photos, chemical analysis tables, a time/date
stamped
history log, *and* the defendant confessed in court,,,, and you guessed it, i
lost. This
is Alabama.
Besides, when you "buy" software now from a big company, you don't own it, you
lease it till such time as the owner deems that you don't. And how can you prove
company M did the deleting?
Kat,
disillusioned.
14. Re: Another Web Site
Jeeze!! :(
Dan
(who's pretty sure Kat don't give up easy, to say the least!)
<snipped from below:>
<Kat said:>
> I wouldn't get to the conclusion that he will have lawyers, or the best
ones, not after
> what happene to me last week in court. I went in with medical bills,
government
> eyewitnesses and documents, photos, chemical analysis tables, a time/date
stamped
> history log, *and* the defendant confessed in court,,,, and you guessed
it, i lost. This
> is Alabama.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kat" <gertie at PELL.NET>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 6:20 AM
Subject: Re: Another Web Site
> On 26 Aug 2000, at 21:50, irv wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Dan wrote:
> > > Kat,
> > >
> > > Paranoid? If so, that makes a pair of us (pair a noids!)! I set up a
free
> > > firewall after I saw that some commercial programs *for children* were
> > > sending encrypted info back to the company when on internet after
child used
> > > program. And since I have set up a passport account in order to ask
MS
> > > questions about software problems, now I'm concerned about *that* too.
> > > Sigh.
> >
> > Maybe it was just "checking registration", but I doubt it. There's a lot
of
> > personal info stored on our computers.
> >
> > I'm waiting for the only logical outcome of this - suppose company M
finds a
> > copy of their software on Joe's pc, and deletes or disables it.
> > Further, suppose that Joe digs up a receipt which shows he legally owns
the
> > software. Now, he can claim that company M owes him 12 zillion dollars
for lost
> > revenue, and with 12 zillion dollars at stake, you know Joe will have
the best
> > lawyers money can buy.
>
> I wouldn't get to the conclusion that he will have lawyers, or the best
ones, not after
> what happene to me last week in court. I went in with medical bills,
government
> eyewitnesses and documents, photos, chemical analysis tables, a time/date
stamped
> history log, *and* the defendant confessed in court,,,, and you guessed
it, i lost. This
> is Alabama.
>
> Besides, when you "buy" software now from a big company, you don't own it,
you
> lease it till such time as the owner deems that you don't. And how can you
prove
> company M did the deleting?
>
> Kat,
> disillusioned.
15. Re: Another Web Site
Kat,
A real problem. There are ways to protect yourself, though. I use 2 computers;
one connected to the net (contains no
personal information, only used for downloading, uploading) and another, NOT
connected to the net ever, on which all of
my executables, personal files, etc. reside. A zip drive serves as the
transport of downloaded (or upload) files, when
that's necessary (rarely).
I still have copies of Foxbase (1986) on my non-net computer, which I know that
MS would dearly love to disable (MS
bought Fox Software some years ago), to force users to upgrade to their
horrendously expensive (when you consider the
cost of training required to use it)) Visual Foxpro.
A small pain in the nether regions to have to use two computers, but well worth
the small cost for the 2nd machine.
Regards,
Jim
Kat wrote:
> On 26 Aug 2000, at 21:50, irv wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Dan wrote:
> > > Kat,
> > >
> > > Paranoid? If so, that makes a pair of us (pair a noids!)! I set up a
> > > free
> > > firewall after I saw that some commercial programs *for children* were
> > > sending encrypted info back to the company when on internet after child
> > > used
> > > program. And since I have set up a passport account in order to ask MS
> > > questions about software problems, now I'm concerned about *that* too.
> > > Sigh.
> >
> > Maybe it was just "checking registration", but I doubt it. There's a lot of
> > personal info stored on our computers.
> >
> > I'm waiting for the only logical outcome of this - suppose company M finds a
> > copy of their software on Joe's pc, and deletes or disables it.
> > Further, suppose that Joe digs up a receipt which shows he legally owns the
> > software. Now, he can claim that company M owes him 12 zillion dollars for
> > lost
> > revenue, and with 12 zillion dollars at stake, you know Joe will have the
> > best
> > lawyers money can buy.
>
> I wouldn't get to the conclusion that he will have lawyers, or the best ones,
> not after
> what happene to me last week in court. I went in with medical bills,
> government
> eyewitnesses and documents, photos, chemical analysis tables, a time/date
> stamped
> history log, *and* the defendant confessed in court,,,, and you guessed it, i
> lost. This
> is Alabama.
>
> Besides, when you "buy" software now from a big company, you don't own it, you
> lease it till such time as the owner deems that you don't. And how can you
> prove
> company M did the deleting?
>
> Kat,
> disillusioned.
