1. Moderated List
Lately, several people have asked me to set up a moderated
mailing list. I have done some investigating and I see how it
could be done using the current mailing list facilities.
I am prepared to do that if things get much worse.
However I think the cure would be worse than the disease.
What it would mean is:
- a daily, or hourly chore for the moderator in
relaying approved messages to the list
- possible delays of many hours while the moderator
is away from his computer (sleeping). The list would
be shut down during this time. Communication, e.g.
problem resolution, would be extremely slow.
People would start avoiding the list, sending
directly to the person they want to converse with.
- if I were the moderator, there would be a suspicion
that I was censoring unfavorable comments
about Euphoria or myself
- hard feelings could develop if the moderator
censors off-topic posts that the poster thinks are
legitimate and important
The only thing I can recommend for now is:
- Don't reply on this list to inflammatory off-topic posts.
Your reply is almost as annoying to people as the
original post, especially since it invites another reply
from the original offender.
Remember: the offender *wants* you to reply.
- If you must, express yourself directly to the
offender through private e-mail.
We've had people on this list before who
posted lots of annoying off-topic messages.
Eventually they leave.
Regards,
Rob Craig
Rapid Deployment Software
http://www.RapidEuphoria.com
2. Re: Moderated List
One alternative to human moderation is a rules-based filter, weeding out
messages with profanity and any users who abuse the list (ie,
Bozo-filtering). The Euphoria list has gotten particularly bad of late, and
I would support cleaning it up.
John Coonrod
3. Re: Moderated List
R o b e r t C r a i g w r o t e :
> However I think the cure would be worse than the disease.
If that's the case then just leave it as it is,
it's good enough as it is right now.
If you dont want to read those posts, just delete them before you read it,
why do you even read it?
You can tell (in most cases) what is it's contents by it's subject line.
4. Re: Moderated List
The problem with moderation (IMHO) is that otherwise valuable contributions can
be lost to list subscribers. My
experience with lists going moderated is that the best contributors drop off the
list.
I've noticed that MTS (for example) often responds to calls for help, with
pertinent and informed information. I'd hate
to see that kind of valuable input lost to us.
Yes, he does use some pretty foul and disappointing language, but I can just
pass those comments by, and thank him for
those comments which are of real value. I can also just ignore those posts which
are nothing but foul flames. Those who
feel that they must respond to him in kind, are providing him with the perfect
opportunity to entertain himself by
responding even more gleefully.
So, my vote is for no moderation of the list. I know that opinion will outrage
some on the list. If so, please just
ignore it, and don't flame me, 'cuz I'll just ignore the flames.
Regards,
Jim
John Coonrod wrote:
> One alternative to human moderation is a rules-based filter, weeding out
> messages with profanity and any users who abuse the list (ie,
> Bozo-filtering). The Euphoria list has gotten particularly bad of late, and
> I would support cleaning it up.
>
> John Coonrod
5. Re: Moderated List
Robert,
Dunno if it's possible to implement the "rules based" filter idea for the
list, but I for one support it; as you can see, while obscene flamers may
eventually leave the list, more decent people are also leaving the list,
which can't be good for Euphoria or RDS.
Dan Moyer
John Coonrod wrote:
<One alternative to human moderation is a rules-based filter, weeding out
<messages with profanity and any users who abuse the list (ie,
<Bozo-filtering). The Euphoria list has gotten particularly bad of late, and
<I would support cleaning it up.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Craig" <rds at ATTCANADA.NET>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 8:10 AM
Subject: Moderated List
> Lately, several people have asked me to set up a moderated
> mailing list. I have done some investigating and I see how it
> could be done using the current mailing list facilities.
>
> I am prepared to do that if things get much worse.
> However I think the cure would be worse than the disease.
> What it would mean is:
> - a daily, or hourly chore for the moderator in
> relaying approved messages to the list
>
> - possible delays of many hours while the moderator
> is away from his computer (sleeping). The list would
> be shut down during this time. Communication, e.g.
> problem resolution, would be extremely slow.
> People would start avoiding the list, sending
> directly to the person they want to converse with.
>
> - if I were the moderator, there would be a suspicion
> that I was censoring unfavorable comments
> about Euphoria or myself
>
> - hard feelings could develop if the moderator
> censors off-topic posts that the poster thinks are
> legitimate and important
>
> The only thing I can recommend for now is:
> - Don't reply on this list to inflammatory off-topic posts.
> Your reply is almost as annoying to people as the
> original post, especially since it invites another reply
> from the original offender.
> Remember: the offender *wants* you to reply.
>
> - If you must, express yourself directly to the
> offender through private e-mail.
>
> We've had people on this list before who
> posted lots of annoying off-topic messages.
> Eventually they leave.
>
> Regards,
> Rob Craig
> Rapid Deployment Software
> http://www.RapidEuphoria.com
6. Re: Moderated List
- Posted by Kat <gertie at PELL.NET>
Aug 22, 2000
-
Last edited Aug 23, 2000
On 22 Aug 2000, at 19:50, Jim wrote:
<snip>
>
> So, my vote is for no moderation of the list. I know that opinion will outrage
> some on the
> list. If so, please just ignore it, and don't flame me, 'cuz I'll just ignore
> the flames.
I realize me leaving the list isn't a big deal, but my limit for willingly
accepting
misogynistic tripe is being approached. I can see how Jiri figured out mts is
gay
(assuming here that Jiri is correct). If it isn't stopped, i'll leave also, i
didn't sign up for
abuse. Frankly, i'd have thought Canada would have interesting laws concerning
the
way the language is used, and the topics it covers, in telephony.
Kat
7. Re: Moderated List
Exactly. Leaving lets the jerk win. Don't leave.
Dan Moyer
----- Original Message -----
From: "ck lester" <cklester at YAHOO.COM>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: Moderated List
> Kat, anybody who contributes to this list, no matter how insignificant, is
a
> loss worth noting. I hope you won't leave, and I'm sure I speak for many
on
> this list.
>
> I think our only defense is to ignore those whom we cannot stand, and if
we
> can't ignore them, at least do not reply to them.
>
> This is for everybody on here: Don't go.
>
> > I realize me leaving the list isn't a big deal, but my limit for
> > willingly accepting
> > misogynistic tripe is being approached. I can see how Jiri
> > figured out mts is gay
> > (assuming here that Jiri is correct).
>
> I must've missed this particular post... or was it in private?
>
> > If it isn't stopped, i'll
> > leave also, i didn't sign up for
> > abuse. Frankly, i'd have thought Canada would have interesting
> > laws concerning the
> > way the language is used, and the topics it covers, in telephony.
>
> Thanks!
> ck
>
> P.S. If it gets real bad, why not just start an eGroups list or something
> and then, if somebody proves they cannot be a good participant, boot 'em
off
> the list. This way we don't have somebody who has to READ EVERY item
before
> posted... The Two-Strike rule for profanity or vulgarity is 1) warning, 2)
> you're outta there!
>
>
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8. Re: Moderated List
- Posted by ck lester <cklester at YAHOO.COM>
Aug 22, 2000
-
Last edited Aug 23, 2000
Kat, anybody who contributes to this list, no matter how insignificant, is a
loss worth noting. I hope you won't leave, and I'm sure I speak for many on
this list.
I think our only defense is to ignore those whom we cannot stand, and if we
can't ignore them, at least do not reply to them.
This is for everybody on here: Don't go.
> I realize me leaving the list isn't a big deal, but my limit for
> willingly accepting
> misogynistic tripe is being approached. I can see how Jiri
> figured out mts is gay
> (assuming here that Jiri is correct).
I must've missed this particular post... or was it in private?
> If it isn't stopped, i'll
> leave also, i didn't sign up for
> abuse. Frankly, i'd have thought Canada would have interesting
> laws concerning the
> way the language is used, and the topics it covers, in telephony.
Thanks!
ck
P.S. If it gets real bad, why not just start an eGroups list or something
and then, if somebody proves they cannot be a good participant, boot 'em off
the list. This way we don't have somebody who has to READ EVERY item before
posted... The Two-Strike rule for profanity or vulgarity is 1) warning, 2)
you're outta there!
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9. Re: Moderated List
- Posted by Kat <gertie at PELL.NET>
Aug 22, 2000
-
Last edited Aug 23, 2000
On 22 Aug 2000, at 21:27, ck lester wrote:
>
> P.S. If it gets real bad, why not just start an eGroups list or something
> and then, if somebody proves they cannot be a good participant, boot 'em off
> the list. This way we don't have somebody who has to READ EVERY item before
> posted... The Two-Strike rule for profanity or vulgarity is 1) warning, 2)
> you're outta there!
I hate eGroups, they can't keep me connected to the few groups there i'd like to
be on,
and won't answer email about it. If Rob got one of those $76 puters i mentioned
in
another post, he could run a 100% Eu-powered listserv, with a regular emailbox
recieving the emails, and the $76 puter downloading them, filtering, and then
sending
them back out to the list. That would still be free to us, and we'd not have the
eGroups
advertisements etc.
Kat
10. Re: Moderated List
- Posted by Wayne Overman <euman at BELLSOUTH.NET>
Aug 22, 2000
-
Last edited Aug 23, 2000
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I personally dont want anyone to go. I think that at one time
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need to stick together.=20
There's strength in Numbers........
I'll help out where I can.
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11. Re: Moderated List
- Posted by Irv Mullins <irv at ELLIJAY.COM>
Aug 22, 2000
-
Last edited Aug 23, 2000
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Wayne Overman wrote:
>
> I remember haveing to sign on to the list (subscribe) as I'm sure everyone
> here does. If I hadn't signed on then I wouldnt be here, right?
> What I'm getting at is this, if someone doesn't follow rules then simply
> un-subscribe them. I would hope that someone has that authority to do this.
> This way, you would only need to moderate if complaints began comeing in.
> Now, if the individual changed his/her E-mail address this would mean doing
> the same thing over again but, after awhile they would have to get tired of it
> wouldn't they?
>
> I personally dont want anyone to go. I think that at one time
> I've either responded to your mail or you have responded to mine. We need to
> stick together.
> There's strength in Numbers........
>
> I'll help out where I can.
I agree - Kat, don't go.
Just a thought: If we were required to give a real name and postal address
(to RDS, say) in order to post here, I don't think mts would have given
any trouble at all. Too easy to notify his parents, or lock him up.
(In this part of the world, terroristic threats get you 1 to 5 in the state pen)
Rob, or someone designated by him, needs to be able to subscribe and unsubscribe
people. It would help those who are having trouble unsubscribing, and allow
booting people who cause too many problems.
My suggestion is to allow subscribing only thru an e-mail to RDS, or perhaps a
form on the RDS website, giving a real name and address Rob would then do the
subscribing. At random, or when he felt it necessary, Rob could send snail
mail to the name and address registered, requesting a verification via
e-mail if you still wanted to be on the mailing list. Give a bogus address ~
no verification comes back ~ out you go.
Of course, no one would have to _post_ under a real name, if they chose not to.
Regards,
Irv
12. Re: Moderated List
- Posted by simulat <simulat at INTERGATE.BC.CA>
Aug 22, 2000
-
Last edited Aug 23, 2000
> > What I'm getting at is this, if someone doesn't follow rules then simply
un-subscribe them. I would hope that someone has that authority to do this.
>
That's what I've been wondering - why not just unsubscribe Mike?
He's a talented guy, he deals with a kind of literature. Like all artists,
he must be aware that not everyone cares for his taste. Unlike most artists,
he doesn't care - he just thrusts his creepy stuff in your face anyway. The
point is, he's really nasty, and hardly any of his postings have anything to
do with Euphoria. I don't think he has any right to do this, and there is no
reason to allow him to continue posting. Any civilized group needs some way
of dealing with vandals.
In a way we deserve it. If we're too wimpish to just pull the plug on the
guy, then maybe we deserve to eat the kind of material he specializes in.
There's no need to even moderate the list. Please Robert, just don't let
Mike post anymore. If he pops up as aliases that act the same, deny them
entry too. If he comes along with an alias with a different personality,
great. What's so complicated?
Bye
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: Irv Mullins <irv at ELLIJAY.COM>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: Moderated List
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Wayne Overman wrote:
> >
> > I remember haveing to sign on to the list (subscribe) as I'm sure
everyone here does. If I hadn't signed on then I wouldnt be here, right?
> > What I'm getting at is this, if someone doesn't follow rules then simply
un-subscribe them. I would hope that someone has that authority to do this.
> > This way, you would only need to moderate if complaints began comeing
in.
> > Now, if the individual changed his/her E-mail address this would mean
doing the same thing over again but, after awhile they would have to get
tired of it wouldn't they?
> >
> > I personally dont want anyone to go. I think that at one time
> > I've either responded to your mail or you have responded to mine. We
need to stick together.
> > There's strength in Numbers........
> >
> > I'll help out where I can.
>
> I agree - Kat, don't go.
>
> Just a thought: If we were required to give a real name and postal address
> (to RDS, say) in order to post here, I don't think mts would have given
> any trouble at all. Too easy to notify his parents, or lock him up.
> (In this part of the world, terroristic threats get you 1 to 5 in the
state pen)
>
> Rob, or someone designated by him, needs to be able to subscribe and
unsubscribe
> people. It would help those who are having trouble unsubscribing, and
allow
> booting people who cause too many problems.
>
> My suggestion is to allow subscribing only thru an e-mail to RDS, or
perhaps a
> form on the RDS website, giving a real name and address Rob would then
do the
> subscribing. At random, or when he felt it necessary, Rob could send
snail
> mail to the name and address registered, requesting a verification via
> e-mail if you still wanted to be on the mailing list. Give a bogus
address ~
> no verification comes back ~ out you go.
>
> Of course, no one would have to _post_ under a real name, if they chose
not to.
>
> Regards,
> Irv
>
13. Re: Moderated List
- Posted by "Hawke'" <mikedeland at NETZERO.NET>
Aug 22, 2000
-
Last edited Aug 23, 2000
someone mentioned Egroups...
someone countered Egroups saying they have problems...
i surfed the web and i believe i found a suitable mailing
list host that can provide us with all the features that
may or may not be lacking on our current listserver...
rob: please investigate www.topica.com .... seems like
a decent listserv host for us, and also allows us to be
published in their main directory helping increase our
visibility (bonus! :) to others...
i understand that moving this list to another listserv could
be a little rough...however topica also has a function that
allows easy changeover of the list to their host...so it
may not be terribly hard to convert to their service...
--Hawke'
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14. Re: Moderated List
I am in the group that would most likely leave if Mike is allowed to
continue posting his trash. I am a Euphoria beginner and would likely give
up on the language without this group. I subscribed to the list to be able
to ask questions of the experts in the language, not get flooded with pages
and pages of profanity and indecency. I get enough unwanted mail in my email
inbox as it is.
I've never heard of a listserv where one troublesome user couldn't be
expelled. Or is it that you are just hesitant to do it, Robert? From what I
am reading, there are a healthy number of users who will be leaving if he
continues to be a part of this group, and I can't imagine that will be good
for Euphoria.
The post below referenced both a pro and con opinion of Egroups. I can tell
you that I am the owner of an Egroups email list, and it works *very* well,
and I think it would be ideal for the Euphoria group. It is easy for the
owner to either subscribe/unsubscribe users manually or to let them sign up
themselves. You can have a moderated or unmoderated list. Maintenance is
accomplished through an easy web interface. Please consider it, Robert,
before you lose many of your valuable users.
In my humble opinion, it makes no sense to let one jerk ruin it for everyone
else who is genuinely interested in just learning a fascinating programming
language. I say kick out the jerk.
Just my $.02,
Scott Henry
Hawke' wrote:
> someone mentioned Egroups...
> someone countered Egroups saying they have problems...
> i surfed the web and i believe i found a suitable mailing
> list host that can provide us with all the features that
> may or may not be lacking on our current listserver...
> rob: please investigate www.topica.com .... seems like
> a decent listserv host for us, and also allows us to be
> published in their main directory helping increase our
> visibility (bonus! :) to others...
>
> i understand that moving this list to another listserv could
> be a little rough...however topica also has a function that
> allows easy changeover of the list to their host...so it
> may not be terribly hard to convert to their service...
>
> --Hawke'
>
>
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15. Re: Moderated List
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:33:29 -0700, Dan B Moyer <DANMOYER at PRODIGY.NET>
wrote:
>Robert,
>
>Dunno if it's possible to implement the "rules based" filter idea for the
>list, but I for one support it; as you can see, while obscene flamers may
>eventually leave the list, more decent people are also leaving the list,
>which can't be good for Euphoria or RDS.
>
>Dan Moyer
>
I've been on the list for a couple of years and have
only seen 1 obscene flamer who many seem to delight
in responding to his e-mails. Why does the list have to
change because 1 user out of 300 has become annoying ?
If he flames you or the langauge, just ignore him ?
We don't need anyone defending Euphoria or speaking
on be half of the list users. If you ignore him he
will either go away or engage in reasonable conversation
when he see it is to his avantage.
16. Re: Moderated List
Bernie,
The simple fact is people are either leaving or seriously considering
leaving the list because there doesn't seem to be any way to keep obscene
jerks from posting here ; this would seem to me to be a valid reason to
change the list. The change proposed isn't simply because of the posts
themselves, but because they drive people away. While your advice to ignore
the obscene posts is basically good, that's not good enough for everyone.
Dan Moyer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernie" <xotron at PCOM.NET>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: Moderated List
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:33:29 -0700, Dan B Moyer <DANMOYER at PRODIGY.NET>
> wrote:
>
> >Robert,
> >
> >Dunno if it's possible to implement the "rules based" filter idea for the
> >list, but I for one support it; as you can see, while obscene flamers may
> >eventually leave the list, more decent people are also leaving the list,
> >which can't be good for Euphoria or RDS.
> >
> >Dan Moyer
> >
>
>
> I've been on the list for a couple of years and have
>
> only seen 1 obscene flamer who many seem to delight
>
> in responding to his e-mails. Why does the list have to
>
> change because 1 user out of 300 has become annoying ?
>
> If he flames you or the langauge, just ignore him ?
>
> We don't need anyone defending Euphoria or speaking
>
> on be half of the list users. If you ignore him he
>
> will either go away or engage in reasonable conversation
>
> when he see it is to his avantage.
17. Re: Moderated List
Robert, I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Craig <rds at ATTCANADA.NET>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: Moderated List
> Lately, several people have asked me to set up a moderated
> mailing list.
> - if I were the moderator, there would be a suspicion
> that I was censoring unfavorable comments
> about Euphoria or myself
>
> - hard feelings could develop if the moderator
> censors off-topic posts that the poster thinks are
> legitimate and important
Not so. 'Moderated' is not the equivalent of 'censored'. After all, every
public information source you can access (newspaper, TV station, etc.) is
'moderated', not to say 'edited to the convenience and pov of its
owner/editor/whatever'. Still...
> The only thing I can recommend for now is:
> - Don't reply on this list to inflammatory off-topic posts.
> Your reply is almost as annoying to people as the
> original post, especially since it invites another reply
> from the original offender.
> Remember: the offender *wants* you to reply.
Quite agree. I'm using Outlook Express, which provides adequate message
rules, including actions depending on text found within the body of the
message. I'm sure other clients must provide similar features. I believe
that any censoring is my business, and I still prefer a free Net, even if I
have to wade through heaps of unwanted/disliked things, to any kind of
rigid, structured, Daddy-knows-best scheme. After all, I've never found
anyone who thinks and feels exactly like me (though some come close..), so
why should I impose my personal opinions and preferences on anybody else?
I dislike flaming and insulting as much as anyone, but I don't believe any
person could (or should) define a clear dividing line. So please keep it
open. Thanks.
Gerardo E. Brandariz
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18. Re: Moderated List
Seconded.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan B Moyer <DANMOYER at PRODIGY.NET>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: Moderated List
> Exactly. Leaving lets the jerk win. Don't leave.
>
> Dan Moyer
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ck lester" <cklester at YAHOO.COM>
> To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 7:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Moderated List
>
>
> > Kat, anybody who contributes to this list, no matter how insignificant,
is
> a
> > loss worth noting. I hope you won't leave, and I'm sure I speak for many
> on
> > this list.
> >
> > I think our only defense is to ignore those whom we cannot stand, and if
> we
> > can't ignore them, at least do not reply to them.
> >
> > This is for everybody on here: Don't go.
> >
> > > I realize me leaving the list isn't a big deal, but my limit for
> > > willingly accepting
> > > misogynistic tripe is being approached. I can see how Jiri
> > > figured out mts is gay
> > > (assuming here that Jiri is correct).
> >
> > I must've missed this particular post... or was it in private?
> >
> > > If it isn't stopped, i'll
> > > leave also, i didn't sign up for
> > > abuse. Frankly, i'd have thought Canada would have interesting
> > > laws concerning the
> > > way the language is used, and the topics it covers, in telephony.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > ck
> >
> > P.S. If it gets real bad, why not just start an eGroups list or
something
> > and then, if somebody proves they cannot be a good participant, boot 'em
> off
> > the list. This way we don't have somebody who has to READ EVERY item
> before
> > posted... The Two-Strike rule for profanity or vulgarity is 1) warning,
2)
> > you're outta there!
> >
> >
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19. Re: Moderated List
----- Original Message -----
From: Irv Mullins <irv at ELLIJAY.COM>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: Moderated List
> I agree - Kat, don't go.
Yes, don't. Or do, if you feel you have to. But don't do it on account of
somebody else's behavior. Let it be your own decision, always.
> Just a thought: If we were required to give a real name and postal address
> (to RDS, say) in order to post here, I don't think mts would have given
> any trouble at all. Too easy to notify his parents, or lock him up.
> (In this part of the world, terroristic threats get you 1 to 5 in the
state pen)
Sad to say, there are still many countries that aren't exactly havens for
free speech. Their inhabitants often cannot use their own names and
addresses for international communication. Let's not lock them out.
Gerardo E. Brandariz
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