1. Love for Euphoria
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Hi coders (That is what i should call you cuz its real right),
It all started when i was fed up of Visual C++ 6.0 and started looking =
for nicer programming languages. And suddenly, i found EU at =
cnet.download.com. I belong to a 3rd world country where people hardly =
know what Linux is and what is BeOS. Getting it?? I downloaded a =
"Beginner's Guide for EU" written by David Alan Gay and after going to =
first 11 Chapters I fell in love with this langage but you know what =
happened. Consider this example: You love a girl and she dumps you not =
because she doesnt want you but because of the company that evolved =
around her. In this case EU is the girl and you coders are the company =
that evolved around her. Im not angry on your guys. You are nice people =
but you just dont guide me at all. I ask for explanation and guidance =
and most of you just turn away from me. My mind is blocked at Chapter 12 =
totally. I dont get a damn thing. Who should i call for help. David Alan =
Gay is so bust that he never bothered to make the tutorial easy to =
understand and never thought that such examples could only be taught in =
realtime conversations. Again, i dont mean to be rude with you people. I =
am confused and very angry. Lets see what would be my next programming =
language.
- Very angry Asif
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi coders (That is what i should call =
you cuz its=20
real right),</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It all started when i was fed up of =
Visual C++ 6.0=20
and started looking for nicer programming languages. And suddenly, i =
found EU at=20
cnet.download.com. I belong to a 3rd world country where people hardly =
know=20
what Linux is and what is BeOS. Getting it?? I downloaded a =
"Beginner's=20
Guide for EU" written by David Alan Gay and after going to first 11 =
Chapters I=20
fell in love with this langage but you know what happened. Consider this =
example: You love a girl and she dumps you not because she doesnt want =
you but=20
because of the company that evolved around her. In this case EU is the =
girl and=20
you coders are the company that evolved around her. Im not angry on your =
guys.=20
You are nice people but you just dont guide me at all. I ask for =
explanation and=20
guidance and most of you just turn away from me. My mind is blocked at =
Chapter=20
12 totally. I dont get a damn thing. Who should i call for help. David =
Alan Gay=20
is so bust that he never bothered to make the tutorial easy to =
understand and=20
never thought that such examples could only be taught in realtime =
conversations.=20
Again, i dont mean to be rude with you people. I am confused and very =
angry.=20
Lets see what would be my next programming language.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- Very angry =
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2. Re: Love for Euphoria
In a message dated 8/20/00 12:05:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cyberego at QTA.PAKNET.COM.PK writes:
<< Hi coders (That is what i should call you cuz its real right),
It all started when i was fed up of Visual C++ 6.0 and started looking for
nicer programming languages. And suddenly, i found EU at cnet.download.com. I
belong to a 3rd world country where people hardly know what Linux is and
what is BeOS. Getting it?? I downloaded a "Beginner's Guide for EU" written
by David Alan Gay and after going to first 11 Chapters I fell in love with
this langage but you know what happened. Consider this example: You love a
girl and she dumps you not because she doesnt want you but because of the
company that evolved around her. In this case EU is the girl and you coders
are the company that evolved around her. Im not angry on your guys. You are
nice people but you just dont guide me at all. I ask for explanation and
guidance and most of you just turn away from me. My mind is blocked at
Chapter 12 totally. I dont get a damn thing. Who should i call for help.
David Alan Gay is so bust that he never bothered to make the tutorial easy to
understand and never thought that such examples could only be taught in
realtime conversations. Again, i dont mean to be rude with you people. I am
confused and very angry. Lets see what would be my next programming language.
- Very angry Asif >>
o.O um... If no one answers -which usally isn't the case- then its probably
cuz no one knows... But to tell you the truth... i never finished Davids
ABGTE... I think i stop at around 11-13 and i just decided i had learned
enough and went on programing... i basically got the rest of the lang with
some trial and error, and some help from pplz on the list and off the list...
I'm not to sure how i can help you, but if theres a way, i'll try...
~later~
PS: Dont be angry 
3. Re: Love for Euphoria
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Asif,
Usually, if you don't get an answer, it's because nobody knows! 
You don't want everybody on the list replying with a "I don't know"
answer... so, if you ask once and get no replies, ask again, maybe even two
more times... Then you'll know for sure. k?
-----Original Message-----
From: Euphoria Programming for MS-DOS
[mailto:EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU]On Behalf Of Asif Masood Baloch
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 11:08 PM
To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
Subject: Love for Euphoria
Hi coders (That is what i should call you cuz its real right),
the girl and you coders are the company that evolved around her. Im not
angry on your guys. You are nice people but you just dont guide me at all. I
ask for explanation and guidance and most of you just turn away from me. My
mind is blocked at Chapter 12 totally. I dont get a damn thing. Who should i
call for help. David Alan Gay is so bust that he
- Very angry Asif
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D810391317-20082000><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D810391317-20082000><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D810391317-20082000><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Usually, if you don't get an answer, it's because nobody knows! =
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D810391317-20082000><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D810391317-20082000><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>You=20
don't want everybody on the list replying with a "I don't know" =
answer... so, if=20
you ask once and get no replies, ask again, maybe even two more times... =
Then=20
you'll know for sure. k?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Euphoria =
Programming for=20
MS-DOS [mailto:EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Asif =
Masood=20
Baloch<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 20, 2000 11:08 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Love for=20
Euphoria<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi coders (That is what i should call =
you cuz its=20
real right),</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>the girl and you coders are the =
company=20
that evolved around her. Im not angry on your guys. You are nice =
people but=20
you just dont guide me at all. I ask for explanation and guidance and =
most of=20
you just turn away from me. My mind is blocked at Chapter 12 totally. =
I dont=20
get a damn thing. Who should i call for help. David Alan Gay is so =
bust that=20
he <SPAN class=3D810391317-20082000><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D810391317-20082000> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- Very angry=20
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4. Re: Love for Euphoria
Perhaps if we didn't have to dodge all the flames and useless
drivel that is being posted lately, more of us would be more
inclined to check out ALL the posts. But as it stands now, I
myself, will only check those posts which catch my eye. I'm sure
quite a lot of others are of the same mind.
Unfortunately for the newbies such as Asif, that means not
many people are reading their posts. Making them feel as if no
one is even interested in the language itself, but rather
involved the ego battle.
When I have over a hundred msgs in my mail, that aren't even
relative to ME, I'm not going to spend two hours checking all
those msgs
5. Re: Love for Euphoria
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Asif wrote:
>
> Hi coders (That is what i should call you cuz its real right),
>
Im not angry on your guys. You are nice people but you just dont guide me
at all. I ask for explanation and guidance and most of you just turn away from
me.
Asif:
Here are the questions you've asked:
EUFuture - answered by Dave Cuny in detail
Tasks - 9 answers by various people
Help - 9 answers by various people
get() - answered by Thomas Parslow
Graphics mode - answered by Brian Broker
Mouse pointer - 2 answers
I'm sorry if those answers didn't help - I'm sure we all thought the
information given here and in the Euphoria documentation would be
adequate for someone already familiar with VB and VC++
and working on his master's in Information Technology, such as
yourself.
Regards,
Irv
6. Re: Love for Euphoria
Dear Asif - I think there are actually some things you can do to get your
questions answered.
I find the newsgroup has been very helpful.
The trick is - you must ask one or two simple questions, clearly stated, and
you will get the answers you need quickly.
Be sure to put the subject of the question in the subject line of your
message.
You will not find a simpler language than euphoria - I promise you that - I
have tried them all.
- John Coonrod
7. Re: Love for Euphoria
- Posted by Mike The Spike <mikethespike2000 at HOTMAIL.COM>
Aug 20, 2000
-
Last edited Aug 21, 2000
>Hi coders (That is what i should call you cuz its real right),
I'm not so sure about that...
>It all started when i was fed up of Visual C++ 6.0 and started looking for
>nicer programming languages. And suddenly, i found EU at cnet.download.com.
>I belong to a 3rd world country where people hardly know what Linux is and
>what is BeOS. Getting it?? I downloaded a "Beginner's Guide for EU" written
>by David Alan Gay and after going to first 11 Chapters I fell in love with
>this langage but you know what happened. Consider this example: You love a
>girl and she dumps you not because she doesnt want you but because of the
>company that evolved around her. In this case EU is the girl and you coders
>are the company that evolved around her. Im not angry on your guys. You are
>nice people but you just dont guide me at all. I ask for explanation and
>guidance and most of you just turn away from me. My mind is blocked at
>Chapter 12 totally. I dont get a damn thing. Who should i call for help.
>David Alan Gay is so bust that he never bothered to make the tutorial easy
>to understand and never thought that such examples could only be taught in
>realtime conversations. Again, i dont mean to be rude with you people. I am
>confused and very angry. Lets see what would be my next programming
>language.
Don't worry Asif, I'm gonna help you out.
Whatever questions you might have, I will be able to help you out.
What is it at chapter 2 that troubles you?
>
>- Very angry Asif
Mike The Spike
PS. I understand you when you say you come from a 3rd world country --
my country discovered The Internet only three years ago.
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8. Re: Love for Euphoria
- Posted by David Alan Gay <moggie at INTERLOG.COM>
Aug 21, 2000
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Last edited Aug 22, 2000
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Hi Asif.
Seeing my name was mentioned in your comments, I figured I should speak =
up.
I believe a lot of people here gave you a great deal of help....and that =
includes myself. I believe I replied to your Emails in both private and =
public, and gave you examples in private of how to use aspects of the =
Euphoria language. I in fact sent you a reply back before seeing this =
message regarding get()
What can I say? While I can't speak for the others you may have =
communicated with, I know I answered your Email as best I could. I'm =
sorry if that was not enough. I'm sorry the tutorial did not help you =
either, though it was my best intention to make sure that it could help =
everyone who downloaded it.=20
My recommendation is to continue trying Euphoria. It is a fine language =
and I've backed it for nearly four years out of my own time and pocket =
with no regrets.=20
David Gay
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Asif Masood Baloch=20
To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU=20
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 12:07 AM
Subject: Love for Euphoria
Hi coders (That is what i should call you cuz its real right),
It all started when i was fed up of Visual C++ 6.0 and started looking =
for nicer programming languages. And suddenly, i found EU at =
cnet.download.com. I belong to a 3rd world country where people hardly =
know what Linux is and what is BeOS. Getting it?? I downloaded a =
"Beginner's Guide for EU" written by David Alan Gay and after going to =
first 11 Chapters I fell in love with this langage but you know what =
happened. Consider this example: You love a girl and she dumps you not =
because she doesnt want you but because of the company that evolved =
around her. In this case EU is the girl and you coders are the company =
that evolved around her. Im not angry on your guys. You are nice people =
but you just dont guide me at all. I ask for explanation and guidance =
and most of you just turn away from me. My mind is blocked at Chapter 12 =
totally. I dont get a damn thing. Who should i call for help. David Alan =
Gay is so bust that he never bothered to make the tutorial easy to =
understand and never thought that such examples could only be taught in =
realtime conversations. Again, i dont mean to be rude with you people. I =
am confused and very angry. Lets see what would be my next programming =
language.
- Very angry Asif
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Asif.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Seeing my name was mentioned in your =
comments, I=20
figured I should speak up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I believe a lot of people here gave you =
a great=20
deal of help....and that includes myself. I believe I replied to your =
Emails in=20
both private and public, and gave you examples in private of how to use =
aspects=20
of the Euphoria language. I in fact sent you a reply back before seeing =
this=20
message regarding get()</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What can I say? While I can't =
speak for the=20
others you may have communicated with, I know I answered your Email as =
best I=20
could. I'm sorry if that was not enough. I'm sorry the tutorial did not =
help you=20
either, though it was my best intention to make sure that it could help =
everyone=20
who downloaded it. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My recommendation is to continue trying =
Euphoria.=20
It is a fine language and I've backed it for nearly four years out of my =
own=20
time and pocket with no regrets. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>David Gay</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dcyberego at QTA.PAKNET.COM.PK=20
href=3D"mailto:cyberego at QTA.PAKNET.COM.PK">Asif Masood Baloch</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3DEUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU=20
=
</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 21, 2000 =
12:07=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Love for =
Euphoria</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi coders (That is what i should call =
you cuz its=20
real right),</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It all started when i was fed up of =
Visual C++=20
6.0 and started looking for nicer programming languages. And suddenly, =
i found=20
EU at cnet.download.com. I belong to a 3rd world country where people =
hardly=20
know what Linux is and what is BeOS. Getting it?? I downloaded a =
"Beginner's Guide for EU" written by David Alan Gay and after going to =
first=20
11 Chapters I fell in love with this langage but you know what =
happened.=20
Consider this example: You love a girl and she dumps you not because =
she=20
doesnt want you but because of the company that evolved around her. In =
this=20
case EU is the girl and you coders are the company that evolved around =
her. Im=20
not angry on your guys. You are nice people but you just dont guide me =
at all.=20
I ask for explanation and guidance and most of you just turn away from =
me. My=20
mind is blocked at Chapter 12 totally. I dont get a damn thing. Who =
should i=20
call for help. David Alan Gay is so bust that he never bothered to =
make the=20
tutorial easy to understand and never thought that such examples could =
only be=20
taught in realtime conversations. Again, i dont mean to be rude with =
you=20
people. I am confused and very angry. Lets see what would be my next=20
programming language.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- Very angry=20
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