1. Age?
- Posted by No Solution <solutionnone at HOTMAIL.COM> Aug 09, 2000
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I was just wondering what's everybody's age on this list? i myself am 17. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
2. Re: Age?
- Posted by Kat <gertie at PELL.NET> Aug 09, 2000
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On 9 Aug 2000, at 11:55, No Solution wrote: > I was just wondering what's everybody's age on this list? > i myself am 17. We have people here from 15 to over 50 so far.... i call those on the young side "eager students" and those on the older side "burdened with experience". I can't say much else matters. Kat
4. Re: Age?
- Posted by Rolf Schroeder <r.schr at T-ONLINE.DE> Aug 09, 2000
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- Last edited Aug 10, 2000
Kat wrote: > > On 9 Aug 2000, at 11:55, No Solution wrote: > > > I was just wondering what's everybody's age on this list? > > i myself am 17. > > We have people here from 15 to over 50 so far.... i call those on the young > side "eager > students" and those on the older side "burdened with experience". I can't say > much > else matters. > > Kat Kat, I'm more then 10 and less than 50 years older than you. You could prove it. Rolf
7. Re: Age?
- Posted by Kayhlan <kayhlan at EARTHLINK.NET> Aug 10, 2000
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I'm 28- my partner is 34. . .
8. Re: Age?
- Posted by "Carlos W. Phelps" <CPhelps at GRIFFINACCESS.COM> Aug 09, 2000
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I'm 40, wrote my first program at 12. That was a few years ago. ----- Original Message ----- From: "No Solution" <solutionnone at HOTMAIL.COM> To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 11:55 AM Subject: Age? > I was just wondering what's everybody's age on this list? > i myself am 17. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >
9. Re: Age?
- Posted by Kat <gertie at PELL.NET> Aug 09, 2000
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On 9 Aug 2000, at 22:33, Rolf Schroeder wrote: > Kat wrote: > > > > On 9 Aug 2000, at 11:55, No Solution wrote: > > > > > I was just wondering what's everybody's age on this list? > > > i myself am 17. > > > > We have people here from 15 to over 50 so far.... i call those on the young > > side "eager > > students" and those on the older side "burdened with experience". I can't > > say much else > > matters. > > > > Kat > > Kat, I'm more then 10 and less than 50 years older than you. You could > prove it. > Rolf I don't understand: I could prove it? Besides, i didn't say my age. Kat
10. Re: Age?
- Posted by Ben Fosberg <BenFosberg at ATT.NET> Aug 09, 2000
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- Last edited Aug 10, 2000
I'm 57 (in a few hours) and started programming when I was 40; the coincidence just struck me. Ben No Solution wrote: > I was just wondering what's everybody's age on this list? > i myself am 17. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
11. Re: Age?
- Posted by "Isaac D." <Charnon3000 at AOL.COM> Aug 09, 2000
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- Last edited Aug 10, 2000
Happy Birthday. What Programming Languages do you know?
12. Re: Age?
- Posted by Zak Greant <zak at nucleus.com> Aug 09, 2000
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- Last edited Aug 10, 2000
Happy Birthday Ben! I suppose that if I am going to make off-topic posts to the list, then I should go for broke. I am 27 and have been programming for about 2 1/2 years now. I do most of my work in PHP and SQL, but also fiddle about in Euphoria (mostly so that I can provide tech support for my dad - he just started programming again after a 30 year break.), Perl, C, Java, Pike, SmallTalk, noweb, Rebol, python, blah, blah, blah... Zak
13. Re: Age?
- Posted by futures8 <futures8 at PCOLA.GULF.NET> Aug 10, 2000
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I'm 64 (born April, 1936). Just started with Euphoria a couple of weeks ago, after many years with other languages. Began with something called AutoCoder which ran on IBM 1400's in the 60's and early 70's. Followed by IBM machine language code for IBM 360, IBM 360 Assembler, Fortran, Cobol (ugh!) Pascal, NCR Neat and Neat3, APL for IBM and TRS80 (dearly love APL, to this day), dBase, dBase II, dBase III, FoxBase, Foxbase II, Foxpro2.0, Foxpro2.5, Clipper S'87, Clipper5.0. The horrendous migration penalty from Foxpro 2.5 to Visual Foxpro (Windows, GUI's etc.) drove me to search for another language to develope my systems with (serving futures and commodities traders, and anything else that seems interesting). You probably know more about Euphoria than I do, my being so new to the language, but, what I've already done with my limited knowledge, makes me really excited about Euphoria. Best to you in your endeavors. Regards, Jim No Solution wrote: > I was just wondering what's everybody's age on this list? > i myself am 17. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
14. Re: Age?
- Posted by Rolf Schroeder <rolf.schroeder at DESY.DE> Aug 10, 2000
- 697 views
Kat wrote: > > On 9 Aug 2000, at 22:33, Rolf Schroeder wrote: > >... > > Kat, I'm more then 10 and less than 50 years older than you. You could > > prove it. > > Rolf > > I don't understand: I could prove it? > Besides, i didn't say my age. > > Kat Hi Kat, Besides, I noticed you didn't say your age. You could have proved it by stating it. My age is 59. My first program I wrote in FORTRAN IV about 1968 at the university. Later I used additionally BASIC and C. But I'm a 'consumer' of programing languages to solve my astrophysical and related problems. Euphoria is the most elegant and easy way to serve me in this. Have a nice day, Rolf PS: Congratulations to Ben!
15. Re: Age?
- Posted by Asif Masood Baloch <cyberego at QTA.PAKNET.COM.PK> Aug 10, 2007
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Happy Birthday Ben....congrats that you made it this far in this polluted and engineered world.
16. Re: Age?
- Posted by =?iso-8859-1?B?U2tvZGE=?= <tone.skoda at SIOL.NET> Aug 09, 2000
- 684 views
i'm 19. born 29.6.1981. my first program was in C about three years back. then i didn't know there were functions in programming, so it was all in one big main function.
17. Re: Age?
- Posted by "Carl R. White" <cyrek at BIGFOOT.COM> Aug 10, 2000
- 685 views
I went 23 at the end of June. As for Programming languages... Euphoria (Registered of course), QBasic (oh dear), Unix Shell (ksh, csh, ~bash), Perl, JavaScript, Commodore BASIC V2 (those were the days), and a smattering of C and C++. Then again, it's not the language, it's what you can do with it that counts... Carl
18. Re: Age?
- Posted by Colin Taylor <ctaylor at RACSA.CO.CR> Aug 10, 2000
- 677 views
It seems that most Euphoria programmers are under 20 or over 50. (I also fall into one of those groups.) Any thoughts on why that might be? Colin
19. Re: Age?
- Posted by Ben Fosberg <BenFosberg at ATT.NET> Aug 10, 2000
- 711 views
Thanks to all who sent "birthday greetings." Despite my discomfort with off-topic posting, I do appreciate the kindness to an old codger. To answer Isaac's question, at various times I've learned a couple of assembly languages, several flavors of "BASIC" (a name which, due to popularity, used to be attached to a variety of quite different languages), several flavors of Pascal, C (almost), a defunct proprietary language known as "D," as well as DOS/4DOS batch languages, VBA (sorta), and a few other "scripting languages." I've forgotten all the C and most of the assembly, and am rusty on most of the rest - due to lack of use. I'm presently learning Euphoria and Delphi 5 when time permits, and hope to take another crack at Python later this year. Apparently, I'll have a little more time to devote to this endeavor, as I just got laid off. To address another question - I was a little surprised too to see that most of the respondents were "under 20 or over 50." I suspect two possible reasons: 1) We would be the people with more free time to spend on the list - the folks between 20 and 50 are probably working long hours at a programming job and not so inclined to spend their free time on the list. (Besides the age thing, it would appear that many of us on the list are not employed as programmers.) 2) Most of those between 20 and 50 are probably very involved in the intricacies of the languages (C/C++, Java, Pearl, etc) and absurdly complex "environments" that dominate the corporate world, and have little time for - or interest in - pursuing alternatives. I agree with those who say that learning to program properly is more important than which language you learn with - at least in the beginning - and that writing lots of programs is the best way to master a language. It's always struck me that programming is very similar to "physical" activities like sports or carpentry, or playing the violin, in that learning the activity is largely a question of doing it until you "get it right." Ben "Isaac D." wrote: > Happy Birthday. What Programming Languages do you know?
20. Re: Age?
- Posted by Rolf Schroeder <r.schr at T-ONLINE.DE> Aug 10, 2000
- 684 views
Colin Taylor wrote: > > It seems that most Euphoria programmers are under 20 or over 50. (I also > fall into one of those groups.) Any thoughts on why that might be? > > Colin Lot's of people seem to suffer from mid-life crises! Have an uncritical day, Rolf PS: to Colin: I'm sorry for sending this privately to you. Rolf
21. Re: Age?
- Posted by mic _ <stabmaster_ at HOTMAIL.COM> Aug 10, 2000
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22. Re: Age?
- Posted by Allen Soard <esp-software at MAIL.HYPERMART.NET> Aug 10, 2000
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25 Next month. Add z80 asm, TRS80 level 2 basic, Java and VB to that list and were about even. As far as this being off topic I think it's good that we get to know each other as the list is where we usually go for hel(p). -E.Allen Soard P.S. Thanks Skoda, I needed a good laugh :-p ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: "Carl R. White" <cyrek at BIGFOOT.COM> Sent: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:21:38 -0400 To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU Subject: Re: Age? I went 23 at the end of June. As for Programming languages... Euphoria (Registered of course), QBasic (oh dear), Unix Shell (ksh, csh, ~bash), Perl, JavaScript, Commodore BASIC V2 (those were the days), and a smattering of C and C++. Then again, it's not the language, it's what you can do with it that counts... Carl ---- End Original Message ---- Bookmark the HyperMart Small Business Center. All the tools you need to succeed! http://www.hypermart.net/center/
23. Re: Age?
- Posted by OtterDad <otter at FULL-MOON.COM> Aug 10, 2000
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I'm a very young 40 - been a professional software developer for over 15 years - and yes experience makes all the difference - i started out playing with basic in high school and now i administer 4000 users on a full terra byte server - keep at it guys - you never know what your hard work may turn into.
24. Re: Age?
- Posted by Tom Eklöf <darkspace at SUNPOINT.NET> Aug 11, 2000
- 697 views
I seem to have the same problem as someone else on this list (name happil= y forgotten by now,) I just can't seem to improve my skills when it comes= to programming. I reach a certain point and from there on my brain refus= es to accept any new ideas ;) I'm 19, and I've been dabbling with different programming languages for 6= years now and haven't managed to produce anything remotely useful. I've = done Q&GW-BASIC, Euphoria, Perl, Pascal, INTERCAL, brainf*ck, Befunge, Py= thon, SMALLTALK-80 (and downloaded a Squeak distro today) and currently t= rying to learn C++ with very little success (can't grasp OO.) Most of my = problems seem to originate from a very bad habit: nasty looking, messy co= de and minimal commenting. Took me a long time to figure out what I wante= d to do when I wrote $SUBTEMP =3D~ s/\s*?(.*?)\[/$1\[/g; $SUBTEMP =3D~ s/$_[1]\[(.*?)\]\!/$1/i; two years back, now that I'm not actively coding in Perl. Regexps are a p= ain, I tells 'ya :) using variable names like "frob" and "twid" doesn't help either. Oh, and I've done another esoteric "fungeoid" called "Beor." Basically a 2D, LIFO-stack based language, but with some interesting devi= ations. I put together a PDF manual for it, but it amounts to about 80kb = and I was wondering if I'd be drawn and quartered for posting it here? An= y comments? I'll probably post the source to the interpreter and some example program= s ("99 bottles of beer on the wall" and whatnot) later on. --Tom "Hates 7-bit ASCII" Ekl=F6f K=E4y muuten katsomassa toga.com nettitavaratalon kes=E4alennuksia! Osoit= ehan on http://www.sunpoint.net/SunAds/click.htm?mode=3Dfooter&id=3D8&jum= p=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.toga.com%2Ffi
25. Re: Age?
- Posted by Earl Hackett <hacketet at EARTHLINK.NET> Aug 10, 2000
- 698 views
I'm 57 (in a few hours) and started programming when I was 40; the coincidence just struck me. Don't start this. I'm a young 55 but started programming back in '68 on a Bendix G15 and then really got into the big time on an IBM 7090 with 32K of RAM. You should have seen what happened on one of those high speed line printers when I put a print statement in a loop but only printed the page number...
26. Re: Age?
- Posted by SR Williamson <sr.williamson at OSHA.GOV> Aug 10, 2000
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35 going on juvenile delinquency. Languages: Hmmmm..... Well, started at 16 with basic on a Radio Shack CoCo. Got the gist of assembly without ever actually *learning* it. Went on to FORTRAN 77 in school. Taught myself enough C to crash a system. Taught myself enough C++ to *really* mess things up. Been playing w/C and C++ off and on for about 10 years, but never really attempting anything *hard* (since I usually can't even get the easy stuff to work well). Fiddled with Java enough to know I don't really like it, but will probably learn enough to mess that up too at some point. Same with Python, Eiffel, Dylan, SmallTalk (not don't like them, just will probably get bored and learn a little). Done a little in a simulation language called SLAM II in school - that lasted a whole semester so I really am an expert at it (and I feel safe saying that, since it's dead and buried). Eu is the first language I've actually liked. It's clear enough I can figure out what's going on, but I actually have enough power to do some interesting things with it.
27. Re: Age?
- Posted by JesusC - Jesus Consuegra <jesus.consuegra at RETEMAIL.ES> Aug 11, 2000
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Just 48. Working with computers since 1968, my first was an IBM 1401 with 4kb of memory. Programmed in Autocoder. (Does anyone else remember the "Autocoder run thru output" message?). Nowadays as IT manager for a telco company in Spain, 300 Unix/NT machines= , 3000 users, (not very big compared to the US metrics, but big enough for = a small country!). May I raise another poll?. Which one is the computer you have used, that you would still use, and wh= y?. I still love an old Data General Nova 2 that was the first minicomputer I ever used. (I can even remember the switch sequence to start it up...). Jes=FAs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "No Solution" <solutionnone at HOTMAIL.COM> To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 8:55 PM Subject: Age? > I was just wondering what's everybody's age on this list? > i myself am 17. > > _______________________________________________________________________= _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.co= m >
28. Re: Age?
- Posted by No Solution <solutionnone at HOTMAIL.COM> Aug 11, 2000
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>... it's not the language, it's what you can do with it that >counts... > >Carl Very true, i couldn't agree more. a couple of years when i started my first major programming adventures in Turbo Pascal 7.0 (Pascal still remains my favorite language, for DOS anyways www.freepascal.org :) many people said "You'll never go anywhere with f**king Pascal you moron!", i didn't realize it then, but once i got into C++ i realized that one's methods of structure and analysis that makes a good programmer. not how well one knows a language or how many languages one knows. ~ Ian Smith ~ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
29. Re: Age?
- Posted by Lewis Townsend <keroltarr at hotmail.com> Aug 11, 2000
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Hello, >It seems that most Euphoria programmers are under 20 or over 50. (I also >fall into one of those groups.) Any thoughts on why that might be? > >Colin I'm 21, does that make me odd? :) I think with teenagers, programming is a cool new thing and with 50+ individuals, its a nice hobby. Everyone else is too busy with jobs and such. I happen to be in college without a full-time job. later Lewis Townsend ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
30. Re: Age?
- Posted by gebrandariz <gebrandariz at YAHOO.COM> Aug 14, 2000
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I'm 49, but don't worry. It just means I've been 17 for some 32 years now. Hope you'll feel the same way. And that you'll see so many wonderful changes as I've seen along the way. Cheers. Gerardo E. Brandariz ----- Original Message ----- From: No Solution <solutionnone at HOTMAIL.COM> To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Age? > I was just wondering what's everybody's age on this list? > i myself am 17. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
31. Re: Age?
- Posted by gebrandariz <gebrandariz at YAHOO.COM> Aug 14, 2000
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Earl: some 15 years ago I wrote a COBOL program that formatted a report. No graphics supported, so I drew vertical lines using exclamation symbols. Hundreds of them. What I didn't know was that the idiotic high speed line printer would interpret them as form feeds. I surely don't miss some aspects of the good old times. Gerardo E. Brandariz ----- Original Message ----- From: Earl Hackett <hacketet at EARTHLINK.NET> To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 6:52 PM Subject: Re: Age? > I'm 57 (in a few hours) and started programming when I was 40; the > coincidence just struck me. > > Don't start this. I'm a young 55 but started programming back in '68 on a > Bendix G15 and then really got into the big time on an IBM 7090 with 32K of > RAM. You should have seen what happened on one of those high speed line > printers when I put a print statement in a loop but only printed the page > number... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
32. Re: Age?
- Posted by gebrandariz <gebrandariz at YAHOO.COM> Aug 14, 2000
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Lewis, my friend, if you think that at 50 programming's just a hobby, please think again. I'll be 50 next month. Even if I didn't have to work for a living, I would still consider systems design and programming an excellent way to keep my mind awake. As it is, I work for an ISP, I try my hand at anything new that seems even remotely interesting and/or useful, and I plan to keep on doing it for the next few hundred years. Gerardo E. Brandariz ----- Original Message ----- From: Lewis Townsend <keroltarr at HOTMAIL.COM> To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Age? > Hello, > > >It seems that most Euphoria programmers are under 20 or over 50. (I also > >fall into one of those groups.) Any thoughts on why that might be? > > > >Colin > > I'm 21, does that make me odd? :) > I think with teenagers, programming is a cool new thing > and with 50+ individuals, its a nice hobby. Everyone > else is too busy with jobs and such. > I happen to be in college without a full-time job. > > later > Lewis Townsend > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
33. Re: Age?
- Posted by Lewis Townsend <keroltarr at HOTMAIL.COM> Aug 23, 2000
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Hello, >Lewis, my friend, if you think that at 50 programming's just a hobby, >please >think again. I'll be 50 next month. Even if I didn't have to work for a >living, I would still consider systems design and programming an excellent >way to keep my mind awake. As it is, I work for an ISP, I try my hand at >anything new that seems even remotely interesting and/or useful, and I plan >to keep on doing it for the next few hundred years. > >Gerardo E. Brandariz I thought everyone over 50 was rich and didn't need to work :P jk later, Lewis Townsend ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
34. Re: Age?
- Posted by gebrandariz <gebrandariz at YAHOO.COM> Aug 25, 2000
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Hello, Lewis and everyone, But I am 'rich'. Not because of being 50 but because of hard-won and constantly improved design and programming skills. A few years ago my wife fell ill, and our family income suddenly dropped almost by half. We coped just fine because I was making good money, and that was because I was good and efficient. Last February I was out of a job. By April I was working again. My old job was mostly COBOL, propietary databases and partial sysadmin on a Bull mainframe, with some VisualBasic on the side. My new job is Linux, Perl CGI, XHTML, JavaScript and related items, previous experience haphazard and unmethodical. I spent February and March cramming and practising like crazy, because I knew I wouldn't get a good COBOL job, and I wanted to move on to Net programming. How do you think I managed to swing it? Because I've kept fit. How? Euphoria is one of the hows. I've never used it professionally (one can hope..), but for years now it's been a kind of weekend gym for me. Many's the time I've got stuck on a bit of code, and I often try an Euphoria solution first. Now, I'm planning to be richer still at 100. So guess what? Good luck, all. Gerardo E. Brandariz ----- Original Message ----- From: Lewis Townsend <keroltarr at HOTMAIL.COM> To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Age? > Hello, > > >Lewis, my friend, if you think that at 50 programming's just a hobby, > >please > >think again. I'll be 50 next month. Even if I didn't have to work for a > >living, I would still consider systems design and programming an excellent > >way to keep my mind awake. As it is, I work for an ISP, I try my hand at > >anything new that seems even remotely interesting and/or useful, and I plan > >to keep on doing it for the next few hundred years. > > > >Gerardo E. Brandariz > > > I thought everyone over 50 was rich and didn't need to work :P jk > > later, > Lewis Townsend > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com