1. Age?
I was just wondering what's everybody's age on this list?
i myself am 17.
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2. Re: Age?
On 9 Aug 2000, at 11:55, No Solution wrote:
> I was just wondering what's everybody's age on this list?
> i myself am 17.
We have people here from 15 to over 50 so far.... i call those on the young side
"eager
students" and those on the older side "burdened with experience". I can't say
much
else matters. 
Kat
3. Re: Age?
Me? I'm 13...
4. Re: Age?
- Posted by Rolf Schroeder <r.schr at T-ONLINE.DE>
Aug 09, 2000
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Last edited Aug 10, 2000
Kat wrote:
>
> On 9 Aug 2000, at 11:55, No Solution wrote:
>
> > I was just wondering what's everybody's age on this list?
> > i myself am 17.
>
> We have people here from 15 to over 50 so far.... i call those on the young
> side "eager
> students" and those on the older side "burdened with experience". I can't say
> much
> else matters.
>
> Kat
Kat, I'm more then 10 and less than 50 years older than you. You could
prove it.
Rolf
7. Re: Age?
I'm 28- my partner is 34. . .
8. Re: Age?
I'm 40, wrote my first program at 12. That was a few years ago.
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Subject: Age?
> I was just wondering what's everybody's age on this list?
> i myself am 17.
>
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9. Re: Age?
On 9 Aug 2000, at 22:33, Rolf Schroeder wrote:
> Kat wrote:
> >
> > On 9 Aug 2000, at 11:55, No Solution wrote:
> >
> > > I was just wondering what's everybody's age on this list?
> > > i myself am 17.
> >
> > We have people here from 15 to over 50 so far.... i call those on the young
> > side "eager
> > students" and those on the older side "burdened with experience". I can't
> > say much else
> > matters.
> >
> > Kat
>
> Kat, I'm more then 10 and less than 50 years older than you. You could
> prove it.
> Rolf
I don't understand: I could prove it?
Besides, i didn't say my age.
Kat
10. Re: Age?
- Posted by Ben Fosberg <BenFosberg at ATT.NET>
Aug 09, 2000
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Last edited Aug 10, 2000
I'm 57 (in a few hours) and started programming when I was 40; the
coincidence just struck me.
Ben
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> i myself am 17.
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11. Re: Age?
- Posted by "Isaac D." <Charnon3000 at AOL.COM>
Aug 09, 2000
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Last edited Aug 10, 2000
Happy Birthday. What Programming Languages do you know?
12. Re: Age?
- Posted by Zak Greant <zak at nucleus.com>
Aug 09, 2000
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Last edited Aug 10, 2000
Happy Birthday Ben!
I suppose that if I am going to make off-topic posts to the list, then I
should go for broke.
I am 27 and have been programming for about 2 1/2 years now. I do most of
my work in PHP and SQL, but also fiddle about in Euphoria (mostly so that I
can provide tech support for my dad - he just started programming again
after a 30 year break.), Perl, C, Java, Pike, SmallTalk, noweb, Rebol,
python, blah, blah, blah...
Zak
13. Re: Age?
I'm 64 (born April, 1936).
Just started with Euphoria a couple of weeks ago, after many years with
other languages.
Began with something called AutoCoder which ran on IBM 1400's in the 60's
and early 70's. Followed by IBM machine language code for IBM 360, IBM 360
Assembler, Fortran, Cobol (ugh!) Pascal, NCR Neat and Neat3, APL for IBM and
TRS80 (dearly love APL, to this day), dBase, dBase II, dBase III, FoxBase,
Foxbase II, Foxpro2.0, Foxpro2.5, Clipper S'87, Clipper5.0.
The horrendous migration penalty from Foxpro 2.5 to Visual Foxpro
(Windows, GUI's etc.) drove me to search for another language to develope my
systems with (serving futures and commodities traders, and anything else
that seems interesting).
You probably know more about Euphoria than I do, my being so new to the
language, but, what I've already done with my limited knowledge, makes me
really excited about Euphoria.
Best to you in your endeavors.
Regards,
Jim
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> i myself am 17.
>
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14. Re: Age?
Kat wrote:
>
> On 9 Aug 2000, at 22:33, Rolf Schroeder wrote:
> >...
> > Kat, I'm more then 10 and less than 50 years older than you. You could
> > prove it.
> > Rolf
>
> I don't understand: I could prove it?
> Besides, i didn't say my age.
>
> Kat
Hi Kat,
Besides, I noticed you didn't say your age. You could have proved it by
stating it. My age is 59. My first program I wrote in FORTRAN IV about
1968 at the university. Later I used additionally BASIC and C. But I'm a
'consumer' of programing languages to solve my astrophysical and related
problems. Euphoria is the most elegant and easy way to serve me in this.
Have a nice day, Rolf
PS: Congratulations to Ben!
15. Re: Age?
Happy Birthday Ben....congrats that you made it this far in this polluted
and engineered world.
16. Re: Age?
i'm 19. born 29.6.1981. my first program was in C about three years back.
then i didn't know there were functions in programming, so it was all in one
big main function.
17. Re: Age?
I went 23 at the end of June.
As for Programming languages...
Euphoria (Registered of course), QBasic (oh dear), Unix Shell (ksh, csh,
~bash), Perl, JavaScript, Commodore BASIC V2 (those were the days), and a
smattering of C and C++.
Then again, it's not the language, it's what you can do with it that
counts... 
Carl
18. Re: Age?
It seems that most Euphoria programmers are under 20 or over 50. (I also
fall into one of those groups.) Any thoughts on why that might be?
Colin
19. Re: Age?
Thanks to all who sent "birthday greetings." Despite my
discomfort with off-topic posting, I do appreciate the kindness
to an old codger.
To answer Isaac's question, at various times I've learned a
couple of assembly languages, several flavors of "BASIC" (a name
which, due to popularity, used to be attached to a variety of
quite different languages), several flavors of Pascal, C
(almost), a defunct proprietary language known as "D," as well as
DOS/4DOS batch languages, VBA (sorta), and a few other "scripting
languages." I've forgotten all the C and most of the assembly,
and am rusty on most of the rest - due to lack of use. I'm
presently learning Euphoria and Delphi 5 when time permits, and
hope to take another crack at Python later this year. Apparently,
I'll have a little more time to devote to this endeavor, as I
just got laid off.
To address another question - I was a little surprised too to see
that most of the respondents were "under 20 or over 50." I
suspect two possible reasons:
1) We would be the people with more free time to spend on the
list - the folks between 20 and 50 are probably working long
hours at a programming job and not so inclined to spend their
free time on the list. (Besides the age thing, it would appear
that many of us on the list are not employed as programmers.)
2) Most of those between 20 and 50 are probably very involved in
the intricacies of the languages (C/C++, Java, Pearl, etc) and
absurdly complex "environments" that dominate the corporate
world, and have little time for - or interest in - pursuing
alternatives.
I agree with those who say that learning to program properly is
more important than which language you learn with - at least in
the beginning - and that writing lots of programs is the best way
to master a language. It's always struck me that programming is
very similar to "physical" activities like sports or carpentry,
or playing the violin, in that learning the activity is largely a
question of doing it until you "get it right."
Ben
"Isaac D." wrote:
> Happy Birthday. What Programming Languages do you know?
20. Re: Age?
Colin Taylor wrote:
>
> It seems that most Euphoria programmers are under 20 or over 50. (I
also
> fall into one of those groups.) Any thoughts on why that might be?
>
> Colin
Lot's of people seem to suffer from mid-life crises!
Have an uncritical day, Rolf
PS: to Colin: I'm sorry for sending this privately to you. Rolf
21. Re: Age?
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22. Re: Age?
25 Next month.
Add z80 asm, TRS80 level 2 basic, Java and VB to
that list and were about even.
As far as this being off topic I think it's good
that we get to know each other as the list is
where we usually go for hel(p).
-E.Allen Soard
P.S. Thanks Skoda, I needed a good laugh :-p
---- Begin Original Message ----
From: "Carl R. White" <cyrek at BIGFOOT.COM>
Sent: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:21:38 -0400
To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
Subject: Re: Age?
I went 23 at the end of June.
As for Programming languages...
Euphoria (Registered of course), QBasic (oh
dear), Unix Shell (ksh, csh,
~bash), Perl, JavaScript, Commodore BASIC V2
(those were the days), and a
smattering of C and C++.
Then again, it's not the language, it's what you
can do with it that
counts...
Carl
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23. Re: Age?
I'm a very young 40 - been a professional software developer for over 15 years -
and yes experience makes all the difference - i started out playing with basic in
high school and now i administer 4000 users on a full terra byte server - keep at
it guys - you never know what your hard work may turn into.
24. Re: Age?
I seem to have the same problem as someone else on this list (name happil=
y forgotten by now,) I just can't seem to improve my skills when it comes=
to programming. I reach a certain point and from there on my brain refus=
es to accept any new ideas ;)
I'm 19, and I've been dabbling with different programming languages for 6=
years now and haven't managed to produce anything remotely useful. I've =
done Q&GW-BASIC, Euphoria, Perl, Pascal, INTERCAL, brainf*ck, Befunge, Py=
thon, SMALLTALK-80 (and downloaded a Squeak distro today) and currently t=
rying to learn C++ with very little success (can't grasp OO.) Most of my =
problems seem to originate from a very bad habit: nasty looking, messy co=
de and minimal commenting. Took me a long time to figure out what I wante=
d to do when I wrote
$SUBTEMP =3D~ s/\s*?(.*?)\[/$1\[/g;
$SUBTEMP =3D~ s/$_[1]\[(.*?)\]\!/$1/i;
two years back, now that I'm not actively coding in Perl. Regexps are a p=
ain, I tells 'ya :)
using variable names like "frob" and "twid" doesn't help either.
Oh, and I've done another esoteric "fungeoid" called "Beor."
Basically a 2D, LIFO-stack based language, but with some interesting devi=
ations. I put together a PDF manual for it, but it amounts to about 80kb =
and I was wondering if I'd be drawn and quartered for posting it here? An=
y comments?
I'll probably post the source to the interpreter and some example program=
s ("99 bottles of beer on the wall" and whatnot) later on.
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25. Re: Age?
I'm 57 (in a few hours) and started programming when I was 40; the
coincidence just struck me.
Don't start this. I'm a young 55 but started programming back in '68 on a
Bendix G15 and then really got into the big time on an IBM 7090 with 32K of
RAM. You should have seen what happened on one of those high speed line
printers when I put a print statement in a loop but only printed the page
number...
26. Re: Age?
35 going on juvenile delinquency.
Languages: Hmmmm.....
Well, started at 16 with basic on a Radio Shack CoCo. Got the gist of
assembly without ever actually *learning* it. Went on to FORTRAN 77 in
school. Taught myself enough C to crash a system. Taught myself enough C++
to *really* mess things up. Been playing w/C and C++ off and on for about
10 years, but never really attempting anything *hard* (since I usually
can't even get the easy stuff to work well).
Fiddled with Java enough to know I don't really like it, but will probably
learn enough to mess that up too at some point. Same with Python, Eiffel,
Dylan, SmallTalk (not don't like them, just will probably get bored and
learn a little).
Done a little in a simulation language called SLAM II in school - that
lasted a whole semester so I really am an expert at it (and I feel safe
saying that, since it's dead and buried).
Eu is the first language I've actually liked. It's clear enough I can
figure out what's going on, but I actually have enough power to do some
interesting things with it.
27. Re: Age?
Just 48. Working with computers since 1968, my first was an IBM 1401 with
4kb of memory. Programmed in Autocoder. (Does anyone else remember the
"Autocoder run thru output" message?).
Nowadays as IT manager for a telco company in Spain, 300 Unix/NT machines=
,
3000 users, (not very big compared to the US metrics, but big enough for =
a
small country!).
May I raise another poll?.
Which one is the computer you have used, that you would still use, and wh=
y?.
I still love an old Data General Nova 2 that was the first minicomputer I
ever used.
(I can even remember the switch sequence to start it up...).
Jes=FAs.
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Subject: Age?
> I was just wondering what's everybody's age on this list?
> i myself am 17.
>
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28. Re: Age?
>... it's not the language, it's what you can do with it that
>counts...
>
>Carl
Very true, i couldn't agree more. a couple of years when i started my first
major programming adventures in Turbo Pascal 7.0 (Pascal still remains my
favorite language, for DOS anyways www.freepascal.org :) many people said
"You'll never go anywhere with f**king Pascal you moron!", i didn't realize
it then, but once i got into C++ i realized that one's methods of structure
and analysis that makes a good programmer. not how well one knows a language
or how many languages one knows.
~ Ian Smith ~
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29. Re: Age?
Hello,
>It seems that most Euphoria programmers are under 20 or over 50. (I also
>fall into one of those groups.) Any thoughts on why that might be?
>
>Colin
I'm 21, does that make me odd? :)
I think with teenagers, programming is a cool new thing
and with 50+ individuals, its a nice hobby. Everyone
else is too busy with jobs and such.
I happen to be in college without a full-time job.
later
Lewis Townsend
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30. Re: Age?
I'm 49, but don't worry. It just means I've been 17 for some 32 years now.
Hope you'll feel the same way. And that you'll see so many wonderful changes
as I've seen along the way.
Cheers.
Gerardo E. Brandariz
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Subject: Age?
> I was just wondering what's everybody's age on this list?
> i myself am 17.
>
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31. Re: Age?
Earl: some 15 years ago I wrote a COBOL program that formatted a report. No
graphics supported, so I drew vertical lines using exclamation symbols.
Hundreds of them. What I didn't know was that the idiotic high speed line
printer would interpret them as form feeds. I surely don't miss some aspects
of the good old times.
Gerardo E. Brandariz
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From: Earl Hackett <hacketet at EARTHLINK.NET>
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Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Age?
> I'm 57 (in a few hours) and started programming when I was 40; the
> coincidence just struck me.
>
> Don't start this. I'm a young 55 but started programming back in '68 on a
> Bendix G15 and then really got into the big time on an IBM 7090 with 32K
of
> RAM. You should have seen what happened on one of those high speed line
> printers when I put a print statement in a loop but only printed the page
> number...
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32. Re: Age?
Lewis, my friend, if you think that at 50 programming's just a hobby, please
think again. I'll be 50 next month. Even if I didn't have to work for a
living, I would still consider systems design and programming an excellent
way to keep my mind awake. As it is, I work for an ISP, I try my hand at
anything new that seems even remotely interesting and/or useful, and I plan
to keep on doing it for the next few hundred years.
Gerardo E. Brandariz
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From: Lewis Townsend <keroltarr at HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Age?
> Hello,
>
> >It seems that most Euphoria programmers are under 20 or over 50. (I also
> >fall into one of those groups.) Any thoughts on why that might be?
> >
> >Colin
>
> I'm 21, does that make me odd? :)
> I think with teenagers, programming is a cool new thing
> and with 50+ individuals, its a nice hobby. Everyone
> else is too busy with jobs and such.
> I happen to be in college without a full-time job.
>
> later
> Lewis Townsend
>
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33. Re: Age?
Hello,
>Lewis, my friend, if you think that at 50 programming's just a hobby,
>please
>think again. I'll be 50 next month. Even if I didn't have to work for a
>living, I would still consider systems design and programming an excellent
>way to keep my mind awake. As it is, I work for an ISP, I try my hand at
>anything new that seems even remotely interesting and/or useful, and I plan
>to keep on doing it for the next few hundred years.
>
>Gerardo E. Brandariz
I thought everyone over 50 was rich and didn't need to work :P jk
later,
Lewis Townsend
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34. Re: Age?
Hello, Lewis and everyone,
But I am 'rich'. Not because of being 50 but because of hard-won and
constantly improved design and programming skills. A few years ago my wife
fell ill, and our family income suddenly dropped almost by half. We coped
just fine because I was making good money, and that was because I was good
and efficient.
Last February I was out of a job. By April I was working again. My old job
was mostly COBOL, propietary databases and partial sysadmin on a Bull
mainframe, with some VisualBasic on the side. My new job is Linux, Perl CGI,
XHTML, JavaScript and related items, previous experience haphazard and
unmethodical. I spent February and March cramming and practising like crazy,
because I knew I wouldn't get a good COBOL job, and I wanted to move on to
Net programming.
How do you think I managed to swing it? Because I've kept fit. How? Euphoria
is one of the hows. I've never used it professionally (one can hope..), but
for years now it's been a kind of weekend gym for me. Many's the time I've
got stuck on a bit of code, and I often try an Euphoria solution first.
Now, I'm planning to be richer still at 100. So guess what?
Good luck, all.
Gerardo E. Brandariz
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From: Lewis Townsend <keroltarr at HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Age?
> Hello,
>
> >Lewis, my friend, if you think that at 50 programming's just a hobby,
> >please
> >think again. I'll be 50 next month. Even if I didn't have to work for a
> >living, I would still consider systems design and programming an
excellent
> >way to keep my mind awake. As it is, I work for an ISP, I try my hand at
> >anything new that seems even remotely interesting and/or useful, and I
plan
> >to keep on doing it for the next few hundred years.
> >
> >Gerardo E. Brandariz
>
>
> I thought everyone over 50 was rich and didn't need to work :P jk
>
> later,
> Lewis Townsend
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