1. Windows Programming Beginner's Guide
Based on communications between David Gay and me, I'd like to invite
recommendations for the following mini-project.
Project proposal draft 1
Purpose:
Create a Beginner's Guide to Windows Programming that enables DOS-type
programmers to make the conceptual leap to windows programming.
Intended Results:
1. Get across the basic paradigm shift between procedural programming and
event-driven object-based programming with simplicity and clarity.
2. Make clear the basic concepts that underly the Win32lib elements -
without tying
people to specific implementations.
3. Promote a set of programming practices that will save people time and
encourage clarity, simplicity and code sharing. (Note - one downside of
Euphoria is that it not only makes programming easier - it makes bad
programming easier.)
4. Give people a strong leg-up on using examples and other people's
programs.
5. Contribute to the community Euphoria effort by keeping the style
consistent with the RDS documents. (Perhaps offer to rewrite the
win32lib.htm to match that style?)
6. Make the document so attractive that more people are pulled to do
programming.
Any further suggestions?
Is there a generally accepted place to put my first draft, or should I put
it on my own website and let people look at it there?
----------------
Dr. John Coonrod, Vice President, jc at thp.org
The Hunger Project, 15 East 26th Street, NY, NY 10010 www.thp.org
2. Re: Windows Programming Beginner's Guide
Dear God, if you write such a thing PLEASE let me know. I have been
programming in PL/1 for years on Mainframes/Minis and I admit it. I just
don't get windows at all.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Coonrod <jc at THP.ORG>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 10:24 AM
Subject: Windows Programming Beginner's Guide
> Based on communications between David Gay and me, I'd like to invite
> recommendations for the following mini-project.
>
> Project proposal draft 1
>
> Purpose:
>
> Create a Beginner's Guide to Windows Programming that enables DOS-type
> programmers to make the conceptual leap to windows programming.
>
> Intended Results:
>
> 1. Get across the basic paradigm shift between procedural programming and
> event-driven object-based programming with simplicity and clarity.
>
> 2. Make clear the basic concepts that underly the Win32lib elements -
> without tying
> people to specific implementations.
>
> 3. Promote a set of programming practices that will save people time and
> encourage clarity, simplicity and code sharing. (Note - one downside of
> Euphoria is that it not only makes programming easier - it makes bad
> programming easier.)
>
> 4. Give people a strong leg-up on using examples and other people's
> programs.
>
> 5. Contribute to the community Euphoria effort by keeping the style
> consistent with the RDS documents. (Perhaps offer to rewrite the
> win32lib.htm to match that style?)
>
> 6. Make the document so attractive that more people are pulled to do
> programming.
>
> Any further suggestions?
>
> Is there a generally accepted place to put my first draft, or should I put
> it on my own website and let people look at it there?
>
> ----------------
> Dr. John Coonrod, Vice President, jc at thp.org
> The Hunger Project, 15 East 26th Street, NY, NY 10010 www.thp.org
>
3. Re: Windows Programming Beginner's Guide
Yeah. Right on. My first program was in PL/ACME - ever hear of that one?
Then all those years of Algol 60 and Fortran 4. Yikes...
- John
===== Original Message from Euphoria Programming for MS-DOS
<EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU> at 8/12/00 5:19 pm
>Dear God, if you write such a thing PLEASE let me know. I have been
>programming in PL/1 for years on Mainframes/Minis and I admit it. I just
>don't get windows at all.
4. Re: Windows Programming Beginner's Guide
- Posted by Scott Henry <shenry at TCON.NET>
Aug 11, 2000
-
Last edited Aug 12, 2000
I would also be very interested in this.
Scott Henry
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Brown <kelric at HOME.COM>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Windows Programming Beginner's Guide
> Dear God, if you write such a thing PLEASE let me know. I have been
> programming in PL/1 for years on Mainframes/Minis and I admit it. I just
> don't get windows at all.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Coonrod <jc at THP.ORG>
> To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 10:24 AM
> Subject: Windows Programming Beginner's Guide
>
>
> > Based on communications between David Gay and me, I'd like to invite
> > recommendations for the following mini-project.
> >
> > Project proposal draft 1
> >
> > Purpose:
> >
> > Create a Beginner's Guide to Windows Programming that enables DOS-type
> > programmers to make the conceptual leap to windows programming.
> >
> > Intended Results:
> >
> > 1. Get across the basic paradigm shift between procedural programming
and
> > event-driven object-based programming with simplicity and clarity.
> >
> > 2. Make clear the basic concepts that underly the Win32lib elements -
> > without tying
> > people to specific implementations.
> >
> > 3. Promote a set of programming practices that will save people time and
> > encourage clarity, simplicity and code sharing. (Note - one downside of
> > Euphoria is that it not only makes programming easier - it makes bad
> > programming easier.)
> >
> > 4. Give people a strong leg-up on using examples and other people's
> > programs.
> >
> > 5. Contribute to the community Euphoria effort by keeping the style
> > consistent with the RDS documents. (Perhaps offer to rewrite the
> > win32lib.htm to match that style?)
> >
> > 6. Make the document so attractive that more people are pulled to do
> > programming.
> >
> > Any further suggestions?
> >
> > Is there a generally accepted place to put my first draft, or should I p
ut
> > it on my own website and let people look at it there?
> >
> > ----------------
> > Dr. John Coonrod, Vice President, jc at thp.org
> > The Hunger Project, 15 East 26th Street, NY, NY 10010 www.thp.org
> >
>
5. Re: Windows Programming Beginner's Guide
On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:19:32 -0700, Jim Brown <kelric at HOME.COM> wrote:
>Dear God, if you write such a thing PLEASE let me know. I have been
>programming in PL/1 for years on Mainframes/Minis and I admit it. I just
>don't get windows at all.
It may be some help for you to look at my w32api20.zip in the
archive, there are lots of comments and explainations in the
all of the files included in the zip file.
Bernie
6. Re: Windows Programming Beginner's Guide
Dr. John,
Your proposal for the Beginner's Guide sounds like the answer to a prayer.
I've been programming in various DOS languages for years, mainly Clipper and
Foxpro,
and saw the need to move on to Windows programming. I bought Visual Foxpro 6.0
and after studying most of the 1,000 page manual "The Hacker's Guide to Visual
Foxpro 6.0",
Granor and Roche, for months, I gave up in disgust, without the faintest
notion of where or
how to begin.
Your Guide will be a Godsend.
With regard to your stated purpose (below) and the Intended Results, I
couldn't agree more.
I don't think it will matter much, where the first draft is located; your own
web site is, no doubt,
as good a location as any other.
With regard to suggestions, it seems that many authors are using HTML very
effectively as
the vehicle for their documentation. Perhaps that would be appropriate for
your "Guide", also.
Thanks for offering to fill this need.
Regards,
Jim
John Coonrod wrote:
> Based on communications between David Gay and me, I'd like to invite
> recommendations for the following mini-project.
>
> Project proposal draft 1
>
> Purpose:
>
> Create a Beginner's Guide to Windows Programming that enables DOS-type
> programmers to make the conceptual leap to windows programming.
>
> Intended Results:
>
> 1. Get across the basic paradigm shift between procedural programming and
> event-driven object-based programming with simplicity and clarity.
>
> 2. Make clear the basic concepts that underly the Win32lib elements -
> without tying
> people to specific implementations.
>
> 3. Promote a set of programming practices that will save people time and
> encourage clarity, simplicity and code sharing. (Note - one downside of
> Euphoria is that it not only makes programming easier - it makes bad
> programming easier.)
>
> 4. Give people a strong leg-up on using examples and other people's
> programs.
>
> 5. Contribute to the community Euphoria effort by keeping the style
> consistent with the RDS documents. (Perhaps offer to rewrite the
> win32lib.htm to match that style?)
>
> 6. Make the document so attractive that more people are pulled to do
> programming.
>
> Any further suggestions?
>
> Is there a generally accepted place to put my first draft, or should I put
> it on my own website and let people look at it there?
>
> ----------------
> Dr. John Coonrod, Vice President, jc at thp.org
> The Hunger Project, 15 East 26th Street, NY, NY 10010 www.thp.org
7. Re: Windows Programming Beginner's Guide
For now, I would put it on your home page and ask Robert Craig to link it on
Rapid Deployment's home page :)
Other than that, after spending a bit of time reading it, I would not change
anything at all.
David Gay
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Coonrod" <jc at THP.ORG>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 1:24 PM
Subject: Windows Programming Beginner's Guide
> Based on communications between David Gay and me, I'd like to invite
> recommendations for the following mini-project.
>
> Project proposal draft 1
>
> Purpose:
>
> Create a Beginner's Guide to Windows Programming that enables DOS-type
> programmers to make the conceptual leap to windows programming.
>
> Intended Results:
>
> 1. Get across the basic paradigm shift between procedural programming and
> event-driven object-based programming with simplicity and clarity.
>
> 2. Make clear the basic concepts that underly the Win32lib elements -
> without tying
> people to specific implementations.
>
> 3. Promote a set of programming practices that will save people time and
> encourage clarity, simplicity and code sharing. (Note - one downside of
> Euphoria is that it not only makes programming easier - it makes bad
> programming easier.)
>
> 4. Give people a strong leg-up on using examples and other people's
> programs.
>
> 5. Contribute to the community Euphoria effort by keeping the style
> consistent with the RDS documents. (Perhaps offer to rewrite the
> win32lib.htm to match that style?)
>
> 6. Make the document so attractive that more people are pulled to do
> programming.
>
> Any further suggestions?
>
> Is there a generally accepted place to put my first draft, or should I put
> it on my own website and let people look at it there?
>
> ----------------
> Dr. John Coonrod, Vice President, jc at thp.org
> The Hunger Project, 15 East 26th Street, NY, NY 10010 www.thp.org
>
