1. open_dll prob
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tstest=3Dopen("morfit.dll","r")
open_dll() returns 0, open() does open it! what's wrong? (it's in =
MorfitEU.ew)
which 3d engine in euphoria is the best, the fastest? =
morfit,exotica,...?
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<P>m3d_dll =3D open_dll("morfit.dll")</P>
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size=3D2>"morfit.dll","r")</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>open_dll() returns 0, open() does =
open it!=20
what's wrong? (it's in MorfitEU.ew)</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>which 3d engine in euphoria is =
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2. Re: open_dll prob
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What version of Morfit/Euphoria are you using (or is it one of the C =
example
conversions?). Can you give me some more detail of what you have tried =
to
get it to work.
i just downloaded Light API Sample from one site to see how it looks. =
i haven't downloaded the whole 10Mb morfit package.
i am using latest euphoria version for win/dos.
i don't have 3d graphics card, is it needed?
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>What version of Morfit/Euphoria =
are you=20
using (or is it one of the C example</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>conversions?). Can you give me =
some more=20
detail of what you have tried to</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>get it to work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808000 face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>i just =
downloaded Light API=20
Sample from one site to see how it looks. i haven't downloaded the =
whole 10Mb=20
morfit package.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808000 face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>i am using =
latest euphoria=20
version for win/dos.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808000 face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>i don't have 3d =
graphics card,=20
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3. Re: open_dll prob
> A couple of ideas...
>
> Koda, Do you have DirectX 7.0? Mark, does Morfit require DirectX to be
> installed? I forget.
i have directX 6.1 installed on Win95
4. Re: open_dll prob
Hi, I'm not sure about the morfit dll problem at the moment...
but Exotica is still in it's begginings with Direct3D. Plus,
it's not meant to be a 3D engine, but lets you make your own
3D Engine with it using the Direct3D wrapped functions.
So Morfit for Euphoria would be a better to use than Exotica
if you're are wanting a windows based "3D engine" all ready done in
Euphoria. Hope this helps somehow... :)
-- Todd Riggins
> =A9koda wrote:
> which 3d engine in euphoria is the best, the fastest?
> morfit,exotica,...?
5. Re: open_dll prob
- Posted by Mark Brown <mabrown at SENET.COM.AU>
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Oh no....I think I've been through this before.....
Quite a few people have used it without problems but one user did report =
this problem to me a while back and I never could solve it for him.
What version of Morfit/Euphoria are you using (or is it one of the C =
example
conversions?). Can you give me some more detail of what you have tried =
to
get it to work.
Morfit is very easy to use (even for me !) and is in constant =
development
(they have just added md3 model support....not yet released) and inbuilt
sound support will be added soon.
Hope we can get it to work for you.
Mark
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To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU=20
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 10:51 PM
Subject: open_dll prob
m3d_dll =3D open_dll("morfit.dll")
tstest=3Dopen("morfit.dll","r")
open_dll() returns 0, open() does open it! what's wrong? (it's in =
MorfitEU.ew)
=20
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morfit,exotica,...?
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Oh no....I think I've been through this =
before.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>Quite a few people have used it =
without=20
problems but one user did report </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>this problem to me a while back =
and I never=20
could solve it for him.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>What version of Morfit/Euphoria =
are you using=20
(or is it one of the C example</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>conversions?). Can you give me =
some more=20
detail of what you have tried to</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>get it to work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>Morfit is very easy to use (even =
for me !) and=20
is in constant development</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>(they have just added md3 model =
support....not=20
yet released) and inbuilt</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>sound support will be added =
soon.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>Hope we can get it to work for=20
you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>Mark</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> open_dll prob</DIV>
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<P>m3d_dll =3D open_dll("morfit.dll")</P>
<P>tstest=3Dopen(</FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>"morfit.dll","r")</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>open_dll() returns 0, open() =
does open it!=20
what's wrong? (it's in MorfitEU.ew)</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>which 3d engine in euphoria is =
the best,=20
the fastest? =
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6. Re: open_dll prob
A couple of ideas...
Koda, Do you have DirectX 7.0? Mark, does Morfit require DirectX to be
installed? I forget.
If Morfit requires the latest DirectX or a DirectX version above 3.0,
then it wont work on a NT 4.0 OS.
> =A9koda wrote:
>
> m3d_dll =3D open_dll("morfit.dll")
>
> tstest=3Dopen("morfit.dll","r")
>
> open_dll() returns 0, open() does open it! what's wrong? (it's in
> MorfitEU.ew)
>
>
>
> which 3d engine in euphoria is the best, the fastest?
> morfit,exotica,...?
7. Re: open_dll prob
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well...u dont want open() :)))
open() can purty much open ANY file, regardless, to be read in
and processed in a binary manner...
to open morfit.dll like you -want- to use it in this case requires
getting open_dll() functioning..
my first guess is that morfit.dll was not found...
perhaps it wasnt in the path, or the directories that
euphoria would normally search within while hunting
for a file to open as dll...=20
if memory serves, open_dll() and open() do NOT look=20
in the same places...
i seem to remember finding that out one day by
accident while working with win32lib and winsock.dll...
another reason open_dll() may have failed is a corrupt dll file...
or a dll file not in 'normal' expected format for opening...
i have seen dll's that had compression applied to them
with various utilities that claim there is no 'apparent' difference
to the dll as far as functionality, but yet the dll is 10% or more
smaller after using these exotic compression programs...
*cough* they dont work right *cough*
i would check to make sure open_dll() is firstly finding morfit.dll,
and then i would verify morfit.dll is not corrupted...
an error of 0 is not really descriptive enuff to help u much more then =
that :/
imho open and open_dll should return better error codes...
1 for success, 2 for not found, 3 for invalid format or unexpected =
format,
4 for file is corrupt, 5 for unexpected EOF, etc...0 just doesnt help =
much ;)
hopefully i have helped even a little ;) --Hawke'
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From: =A9koda=20
To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU=20
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 6:21 AM
Subject: open_dll prob
m3d_dll =3D open_dll("morfit.dll")
tstest=3Dopen("morfit.dll","r")
open_dll() returns 0, open() does open it! what's wrong? (it's in =
MorfitEU.ew)
=20
which 3d engine in euphoria is the best, the fastest? =
morfit,exotica,...?
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>well...u dont want open() =
:)))</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>open() can purty much open ANY file, =
regardless, to=20
be read in</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and processed in a binary =
manner...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to open morfit.dll like you -want- to =
use it in=20
this case requires</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>getting open_dll() =
functioning..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>my first guess is that morfit.dll was =
not=20
found...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>perhaps it wasnt in the path, or the =
directories=20
that</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>euphoria would normally search within =
while=20
hunting</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>for a file to open as dll... =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>if memory serves, open_dll() =
</FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>and open() do NOT look </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in the same places...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>i seem to remember finding that out one =
day=20
by</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>accident while working with win32lib =
and=20
winsock.dll...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>another reason open_dll() may have =
failed is a=20
corrupt dll file...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>or a dll file not in 'normal' expected =
format for=20
opening...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>i have seen dll's that had compression =
applied to=20
them</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>with various utilities that claim there =
is no=20
'apparent' difference</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to the dll as far as functionality, but =
yet the dll=20
is 10% or more</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>smaller after using these exotic =
compression=20
programs...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*cough* they dont work right =
*cough*</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>i would check to make sure open_dll() =
is firstly=20
finding morfit.dll,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and then i would verify morfit.dll is =
not=20
corrupted...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>an error of 0 is not really descriptive =
enuff to=20
help u much more then that :/</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>imho open and open_dll should return =
better error=20
codes...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1 for success, 2 for not found, 3 for =
invalid=20
format or unexpected format,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>4 for file is corrupt, 5 for unexpected =
EOF,=20
etc...0 just doesnt help much ;)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hopefully i have helped even a little =
;)=20
--Hawke'</FONT></DIV>
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<P>m3d_dll =3D open_dll("morfit.dll")</P>
<P>tstest=3Dopen(</FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>"morfit.dll","r")</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>open_dll() returns 0, open() =
does open it!=20
what's wrong? (it's in MorfitEU.ew)</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>which 3d engine in euphoria is =
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8. Re: open_dll prob
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Did you try running the exe as well as from your editor? (Which =
editor? I have
had some trouble using DOS based editors).
i run it outside editor, both exe and exw and none works
>i have seen dll's that had compression applied to them=20
with various utilities that claim there is no 'apparent' difference
to the dll as far as functionality, but yet the dll is 10% or more
smaller after using these exotic compression programs...
*cough* they dont work right *cough*
Interesting. What "unzip" software are you using? It was zipped with=20
Power Archiver (I think....it may have been winzip, I have both)
Could the unzip software be messing up the dll?
i use WinRar unzip software, maybe i should try with winzip, when my =
CD-player will be working (i have it on cd)
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>Did you try running the exe as =
well as from=20
your editor? (Which editor? I have</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>had some trouble using DOS based =
editors).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808000 face=3DVerdana size=3D2>i run it outside =
editor, both exe=20
and exw and none works</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>i have seen=20
dll's that had compression applied to them</FONT>=20
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>with various utilities that claim =
there is no=20
'apparent' difference</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to the dll as far as functionality, =
but yet the=20
dll is 10% or more</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>smaller after using these exotic =
compression=20
programs...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*cough* they dont work right =
*cough*</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Interesting. What "unzip" software are you =
using? It was=20
zipped with </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Power Archiver (I think....it may have been winzip, I have =
both)</DIV>
<DIV>Could the unzip software be messing up the dll?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808000>i use WinRar unzip software, maybe i should =
try with=20
winzip, when my CD-player will be working (i have it on =
cd)</FONT></DIV>
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9. Re: open_dll prob
- Posted by Mark Brown <mabrown at SENET.COM.AU>
Aug 05, 2000
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Skoda wrote...
>i just downloaded Light API Sample from one site to see how it looks.=20
i haven't downloaded the whole 10Mb morfit package.
i am using latest euphoria version for win/dos.
i don't have 3d graphics card, is it needed?
I just downloaded the Light API example again and it ran fine here.
I ran both the exe and from MEdit, both OK.
Did you try running the exe as well as from your editor? (Which editor? =
I have
had some trouble using DOS based editors).
The example does require 3d card. I think this is only to make the =
lighting work
though. You can turn 3d card on and off (CTRL-ALT-V) and it still runs, =
just
makes it look really bad.
I seem to remember that DirectX 6 or better is required for Morfit.=20
(BTW, Does anyone know what version of DX Win 2k uses. I thought it was =
still=20
DX 3 or something but the Morfit Light example just ran fine on Win 2k =
here
and I am very surprised)
Also, Hawke wrote...
>i have seen dll's that had compression applied to them
with various utilities that claim there is no 'apparent' difference
to the dll as far as functionality, but yet the dll is 10% or more
smaller after using these exotic compression programs...
*cough* they dont work right *cough*
Interesting. What "unzip" software are you using? It was zipped with=20
Power Archiver (I think....it may have been winzip, I have both)
Could the unzip software be messing up the dll?
You can mail me direct if you prefer.
mabrown at senet.com.au
All the best
Mark
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Skoda wrote...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>><FONT color=3D#808000 =
face=3D"Arial CE"=20
size=3D2>i just downloaded Light API Sample from one site to see how it =
looks.=20
</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2><FONT color=3D#808000 =
face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>i=20
haven't downloaded the whole 10Mb morfit package.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808000 face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>i am using latest =
euphoria=20
version for win/dos.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808000 face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>i don't have 3d =
graphics card,=20
is it needed?</FONT></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just downloaded the Light API example =
again and=20
it ran fine here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I ran both the exe and from MEdit, both =
OK.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>Did you try running the exe as =
well as from=20
your editor? (Which editor? I have</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>had some trouble using DOS based=20
editors).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The example does require 3d card. I =
think this is=20
only to make the lighting work</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>though. You can turn 3d card on =
and off=20
(CTRL-ALT-V) and it still runs, just</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>makes it look really =
bad.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>I seem to remember that DirectX 6 =
or better is=20
required for Morfit. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>(BTW, Does anyone </FONT><FONT =
face=3D"Arial CE"=20
size=3D2>know what version of DX Win 2k uses. I thought it was still =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>DX 3 or something </FONT><FONT =
face=3D"Arial CE"=20
size=3D2>but the Morfit Light example just ran fine on Win 2k =
here</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>and I am very =
surprised)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also, Hawke wrote...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>i =
have seen dll's=20
that had compression applied to them</FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>with various utilities that claim there =
is no=20
'apparent' difference</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to the dll as far as functionality, but =
yet the dll=20
is 10% or more</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>smaller after using these exotic =
compression=20
programs...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*cough* they dont work right =
*cough*</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Interesting. What "unzip" software are you =
using? It was=20
zipped with </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Power Archiver (I think....it may have been winzip, I have =
both)</DIV>
<DIV>Could the unzip software be messing up the dll?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You can mail me direct if you prefer.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A =
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>All the best</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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10. Re: open_dll prob
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Also, Hawke wrote...
>i have seen dll's that had compression applied to them=20
with various utilities that claim there is no 'apparent' difference
to the dll as far as functionality, but yet the dll is 10% or more
smaller after using these exotic compression programs...
*cough* they dont work right *cough*
Interesting. What "unzip" software are you using? It was zipped with=20
Power Archiver (I think....it may have been winzip, I have both)
Could the unzip software be messing up the dll?=20
i wasnt referring to the program used to unzip the distribution =
package...
i was referring to programs like PKLite that will compress an =
executable
on your hard drive, thusly making it require less storage space on =
disk,
but supposedly retain full functionality and speed...
there are programs like that for .dll's as well...
the idea is that you run these programs on your entire set of dlls
(in like windows/system) and instamagically you now have more
free disk space WITHOUT (supposedly) any overhead normally
attributed to programs like Stacker or Drivespace that perform
on_the_fly compression/expansion as this is 'permanent' compression
requireing no expansion...
many many programmers DO use this type of software -before- they
create the distribution package and ship it off...
wouldnt surprise me a bit if morfit.dll was placed thru such a process
before the distribution package was made...
some computers simply chokeNpuke when they attempt to access
.exe and .dll that are compressed in this manner
and as i stated before... 99% of these instamagic compression
programs *cough* dont work right *cough*
--Hawke'
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also, Hawke wrote...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>i have seen=20
dll's that had compression applied to them</FONT>=20
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>with various utilities that claim =
there is no=20
'apparent' difference</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to the dll as far as functionality, =
but yet the=20
dll is 10% or more</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>smaller after using these exotic =
compression=20
programs...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*cough* they dont work right =
*cough*</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Interesting. What "unzip" software are you =
using? It was=20
zipped with </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Power Archiver (I think....it may have been winzip, I have =
both)</DIV>
<DIV>Could the unzip software be messing up the dll? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>i wasnt referring to the program used to unzip =
the=20
distribution package...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>i was referring to programs like PKLite that =
will=20
compress an executable</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>on your hard drive, thusly making it require =
less=20
storage space on disk,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>but supposedly retain full functionality and=20
speed...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>there are programs like that for .dll's as=20
well...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>the idea is that you run these programs on =
your entire=20
set of dlls</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>(in like windows/system) and instamagically =
you now have=20
more</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>free disk space WITHOUT (supposedly) any =
overhead=20
normally</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>attributed to programs like Stacker or =
Drivespace that=20
perform</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>on_the_fly compression/expansion as this is =
'permanent'=20
compression</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>requireing no expansion...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>many many programmers DO use this type of =
software=20
-before- they</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>create the distribution package and ship it=20
off...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>wouldnt surprise me a bit if morfit.dll was =
placed thru=20
such a process</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>before the distribution package was =
made...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>some computers simply chokeNpuke when they =
attempt to=20
access</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>.exe and .dll that are compressed in this=20
manner</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>and as i stated before... 99% of these =
instamagic=20
compression</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>programs *cough* dont work right =
*cough*</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT=20
>
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11. Re: open_dll prob
For what it's worth department - RDS uses, I seem to recall, such
a program to make the euphoria EXE's smaller. I've read (but not
confirmed) that one common "side effect" of such programs is to
interfere with Windoz' control of "dynamic memory allocation."
Essentially, the claim is - I believe - that Windoz can no longer
identify unused modules and/or routines and move them out to
virtual memory. Given that Windoz' control is somewhat spotty
even without "interference," this might be an issue. I used to
have a couple of URLs for sites that discussed the issue but lost
them awhile back. You could probably find some with a search, if
the question interests you sufficiently.
Hawke' wrote:
> Also, Hawke wrote... >i have seen dll's that had
> compression applied to themwith various utilities
> that claim there is no 'apparent' differenceto the
> dll as far as functionality, but yet the dll is 10%
> or moresmaller after using these exotic compression
> programs...*cough* they dont work right
> *cough* Interesting. What "unzip" software are you
> using? It was zipped withPower Archiver (I
> think....it may have been winzip, I have both)Could
> the unzip software be messing up the dll? i wasnt
> referring to the program used to unzip the
> distribution package... i was referring to programs
> like PKLite that will compress an executableon your
> hard drive, thusly making it require less storage
> space on disk,but supposedly retain full
> functionality and speed... there are programs like
> that for .dll's as well... the idea is that you run
> these programs on your entire set of dlls(in like
> windows/system) and instamagically you now have
> morefree disk space WITHOUT (supposedly) any overhead
> normallyattributed to programs like Stacker or
> Drivespace that performon_the_fly
> compression/expansion as this is 'permanent'
> compressionrequireing no expansion... many many
> programmers DO use this type of software -before-
> theycreate the distribution package and ship it
> off...wouldnt surprise me a bit if morfit.dll was
> placed thru such a processbefore the distribution
> package was made... some computers simply chokeNpuke
> when they attempt to access.exe and .dll that are
> compressed in this manner and as i stated before...
> 99% of these instamagic compressionprograms *cough*
> dont work right *cough* --Hawke'
>
12. Re: open_dll prob
I think a return value of 0 is normal. When it can't read it, it returns
-1.
