1. Goodbye Bach
- Posted by kbochert at copper.net
Nov 21, 2002
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<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3> Bach is now officially dead. It=
has been removed from my website and the user submissions, so=
those who have downloaded it would be advised to not use=
it.</FONT></div>
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<FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3> </FONT><div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3>=
The coming release of Euphoria 2.4, and my inability to add a=
GUI debugger makes further development pointless.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3> As far as I know, no one has=
actually used it so it is unlikely to be missed.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3> Karl Bochert</FONT></div>
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2. Re: Goodbye Bach
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Not quite true Karl. It was a great start to getting some real =
competetion into the Euphoria world.=20
May one borrow some of your innovative ideas?
And can you spare some time to help the PEU guys with their envdevours? =
Your experience will be invaluable.
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cheers,
Derek Parnell
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Subject: Goodbye Bach
Bach is now officially dead. It has been removed from my website and the =
user submissions, so those who have downloaded it would be advised to =
not use it.
The coming release of Euphoria 2.4, and my inability to add a GUI =
debugger makes further development pointless.
As far as I know, no one has actually used it so it is unlikely to be =
missed.
Karl Bochert
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Not quite true Karl. It was a great =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>May one borrow some of your innovative =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>And can you spare some time to help the PEU guys =
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envdevours? Your experience will be invaluable.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>----------------<BR>cheers,<BR>Derek Parnell</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Goodbye Bach</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3>Bach is now officially dead. It has =
been removed=20
from my website and the user submissions, so those who have downloaded =
it=20
would be advised to not use it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3>The coming release of Euphoria 2.4, =
and my=20
inability to add a GUI debugger makes further development=20
pointless.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3>As far as I know, no one has actually =
used it so=20
it is unlikely to be missed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3>Karl Bochert</FONT></DIV>
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3. Re: Goodbye Bach
Karl wrote:
> Bach is now officially dead. It has been removed from my website and t=
he
> user submissions, so those who have downloaded it would be advised to n=
ot
> use it.=20
I (maybe) understand your reason for pulling it, but why remove it from t=
he=20
downloads?
> The coming release of Euphoria 2.4, and my inability to add a GUI debug=
ger
> makes further development pointless.=20
The restriction on adding debugging and trace information to personalized=
=20
versions of Euphoria is understandable - it prevents people from putting =
out=20
a "free" version that could compete with Euphoria.
But that's it's flaw - it prevents people from putting out something that=
's=20
actually useful.
> As far as I know, no one has actually used it so it is unlikely to be
> missed.=20
I miss it already. Good luck with your other ventures.
-- David Cuny
4. Re: Goodbye Bach
Karl,
this a disastrous decision, for Euphoria, I mean. And you are totally wrong
saying no one actually used it so it is unlikely to be missed. Please
reconsider.
jiri
----- Original Message -----
From: kbochert at copper.net
Subject: Goodbye Bach
Bach is now officially dead. It has been removed from my website and the
user submissions, so those who have downloaded it would be advised to not
use it.
The coming release of Euphoria 2.4, and my inability to add a GUI debugger
makes further development pointless.
As far as I know, no one has actually used it so it is unlikely to be
missed.
Karl Bochert
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5. Re: Goodbye Bach
- Posted by kbochert at copper.net
Nov 21, 2002
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<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> David Cuny=
wrote:</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> >I (maybe)=
understand your reason for pulling it, but why remove=
it</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> >from the=
downloads?</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> A general feeling=
that despite my desires, it must no longer be a part of my life.=
It is a dead-end language.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080">=
></FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> >The=
restriction on adding debugging and trace information=
to</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> >personalized=
versions of Euphoria is understandable - it=
prevents</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> >people from=
putting out</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> >a=
"free" version that could compete with=
Euphoria.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080">=
></FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> Even a non-free=
Bach would be competition. I had hoped that a professional GUI=
editor/debugger (that would work for both Bach and the paid=
version of Euphoria) would increase the market enough for both,=
but Rob wouldn't go for it.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> >But that's=
it's flaw - it prevents people from putting out=
something</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> >that's=
actually useful.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080">=
></FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#800000"> >>As far as=
I know, no one has actually used it so it is unlikely=
to</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#800000"> >>be=
missed.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080">=
></FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> >I miss it=
already. Good luck with your other ventures.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080">=
></FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> Time to earn a=
living again.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> Karl=
Bochert</FONT></div>
6. Re: Goodbye Bach
- Posted by kbochert at copper.net
Nov 21, 2002
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<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3> On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:03:35=
-0800, Jiri Babor wrote:</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080">
>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
The Euphoria Mailing List =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080">=
></FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080">=
>Karl,</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080">=
></FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> >this a=
disastrous decision, for Euphoria, I mean.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080">=
></FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> >And you are=
totally wrong</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> >saying no one=
actually used it so it is unlikely to be missed. >Please=
reconsider.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080">=
></FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080">=
>jiri</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> Bach is a more=
complex language than Euphoria. Without a debugger,=A0 and when it=
loses compatibility with Eu, it is just a toy, and I must get on=
with making a living.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> If anyone is=
actually using it, they may continue, but I would recommend=
against doing anything new with an unsupported=
language.</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3> =A0</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D3 COLOR=3D"#000080"> Karl=
Bochert</FONT></div>
7. Re: Goodbye Bach
ditto
Euman
From: "Matthew Lewis" <matthewwalkerlewis at YAHOO.COM>
> Any chance of releasing the source (to other Eu source code owners, of
> course!)? I'd like to see how you did things, and maybe incorporate some
> Bach ideas into my own modified interpreter.
>
> Matt Lewis
8. Re: Goodbye Bach
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While I understand your decision, I'm sorry to hear about it. While I =
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with much potential. =20
-- Mike Nelson
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Karl,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>While I understand your decision, I'm sorry to hear =
about it.=20
While I have not used Bach except for testing, I recognize it as a =
worthy effort=20
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9. Re: Goodbye Bach
On 21 Nov 2002, at 7:15, Euman wrote:
>
> ditto
Ditto.
I'm sorry to see you go, Karl. Bach was a great idea, and i am glad you did
it, thanks.
Kat
> Euman
>
> From: "Matthew Lewis" <matthewwalkerlewis at YAHOO.COM>
>
> > Any chance of releasing the source (to other Eu source code owners, of
> > course!)? I'd like to see how you did things, and maybe incorporate some
> > Bach
> > ideas into my own modified interpreter.
> >
> > Matt Lewis
>
>
>
>
