1. Binding/Shrouding Problems
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I made a shrouded include, it works properly when included.
But when I bind the file with the shrouded include also, it says below
Help please
Daniel
attempt to redefine sTrIpNs_
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I made a shrouded include, it works
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2. Re: Binding/Shrouding Problems
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:37:40 -0800, Daniel Kluss
<codepilot at netzero.net> wrote:
>I made a shrouded include, it works properly when included.
>But when I bind the file with the shrouded include also, it says below
>
>Help please
>Daniel
>
>attempt to redefine sTrIpNs_
><scrambled code>
> ^
This is a routine automatically inserted by the shrouder when it finds
routine_id being called with a variable expression instead of a
literal value. When you include that in another file it sees the call
to "routine_id(sTrIpNs_(<whatever>))" so promptly inserts a second
copy of the routine (hence the error) and changes the line to
"routine_id(sTrIpNs_(sTrIpNs_(<whatever>)))". 
(
I think Rob is already aware of this, but I can't find any reference
to it.
AFAIK, you cannot use routine_id with expressions inside a shrouded
component. If it's third party code that's doing this, I can show you
a way round it but be warned it could be quite an effort.
If it is your code you could try something like this:
-- before --
function funcA...
..
x=routine_id("func"&letter)
-- after --
function funcA...
constant ridlist={"funcA",routine_id("funcA"),
...
}
x=ridlist[find("func"&letter,ridlist)+1]
Not pretty, I know.
Pete
http://palacebuilders.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/euphoria.html
3. Re: Binding/Shrouding Problems
So if I shroud something, noone can include it in a bound program?
Daniel Kluss
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Lomax" <petelomax at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <EUforum at topica.com>
Subject: Re: Binding/Shrouding Problems
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:37:40 -0800, Daniel Kluss
> <codepilot at netzero.net> wrote:
>
> >I made a shrouded include, it works properly when included.
> >But when I bind the file with the shrouded include also, it says below
> >
> >Help please
> >Daniel
> >
> >attempt to redefine sTrIpNs_
> ><scrambled code>
> > ^
> This is a routine automatically inserted by the shrouder when it finds
> routine_id being called with a variable expression instead of a
> literal value. When you include that in another file it sees the call
> to "routine_id(sTrIpNs_(<whatever>))" so promptly inserts a second
> copy of the routine (hence the error) and changes the line to
> "routine_id(sTrIpNs_(sTrIpNs_(<whatever>)))". (
>
> I think Rob is already aware of this, but I can't find any reference
> to it.
>
> AFAIK, you cannot use routine_id with expressions inside a shrouded
> component. If it's third party code that's doing this, I can show you
> a way round it but be warned it could be quite an effort.
>
> If it is your code you could try something like this:
>
> -- before --
> function funcA...
> ..
> x=routine_id("func"&letter)
> -- after --
> function funcA...
>
> constant ridlist={"funcA",routine_id("funcA"),
> ...
> }
> x=ridlist[find("func"&letter,ridlist)+1]
>
> Not pretty, I know.
>
> Pete
> http://palacebuilders.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/euphoria.html
>
>
>
> TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
>
>
4. Re: Binding/Shrouding Problems
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:03:24 -0800, Daniel Kluss
<codepilot at netzero.net> wrote:
>So if I shroud something, noone can include it in a bound program?
A few things are more difficult than perhaps they should be, but it is
possible, I've done it. OK, I found it hard and ended up with about
1,700 lines of support code (for a 25,000 line project), but hopefully
with my help you won't have to make the same 1,700 mistakes I did.
So it might be difficult in parts, but if no-one tries then it will
never get any easier, besides it's a challenge, isn't it? 
They key point I made in my last post was meant to be:
>>you cannot use routine_id with *expressions* inside a shrouded
>> component.
Typically I guess that's less than 1 or 2% of the times it is used.
Have you figured out what code is using routine_id in that way?
Pete
http://palacebuilders.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/euphoria.html
5. Re: Binding/Shrouding Problems
Look below
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Lomax" <petelomax at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <EUforum at topica.com>
Subject: Re: Binding/Shrouding Problems
>
>
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:03:24 -0800, Daniel Kluss
> <codepilot at netzero.net> wrote:
>
> >So if I shroud something, noone can include it in a bound program?
> A few things are more difficult than perhaps they should be, but it is
> possible, I've done it. OK, I found it hard and ended up with about
> 1,700 lines of support code (for a 25,000 line project), but hopefully
> with my help you won't have to make the same 1,700 mistakes I did.
>
> So it might be difficult in parts, but if no-one tries then it will
> never get any easier, besides it's a challenge, isn't it?
>
> They key point I made in my last post was meant to be:
> >>you cannot use routine_id with *expressions* inside a shrouded
> >> component.
> Typically I guess that's less than 1 or 2% of the times it is used.
>
> Have you figured out what code is using routine_id in that way?
Ya its all my code, the routine_ids are just used in one place, I made them
so they don't use EXPRESSions any more, just static text and
now it WORKS for binding and everything
Thanks
Daniel Kluss
>
> Pete
> http://palacebuilders.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/euphoria.html
>
>
>
> TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
>
>
6. Re: Binding/Shrouding Problems
Daniel Kluss wrote:
> Ya its all my code, the routine_ids are just used in one place, I made them
> so they don't use EXPRESSions any more, just static text and
> now it WORKS for binding and everything
I'm glad you got it working.
I'll look into this issue for the next release.
I think the problem will occur if you have:
routine_id(general-expression)
and you bind or shroud the code twice.
Regards,
Rob Craig
Rapid Deployment Software
http://www.RapidEuphoria.com
7. Re: Binding/Shrouding Problems
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:35:20 -0800, Daniel Kluss
<codepilot at netzero.net> wrote:
>Ya its all my code, the routine_ids are just used in one place, I made them
>so they don't use EXPRESSions any more, just static text and
>now it WORKS for binding and everything
>
>Thanks
>Daniel Kluss
Glad I could help Sorry if I mislead you with a few things that
weren't actually causing you a problem
Pete
http://palacebuilders.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/euphoria.html
