1. Information about Phix
- Posted by GreenEuphorian Dec 18, 2012
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I have seen Phix mentioned in many posts, as a fork of Euphoria, and I am curious. The info about Phix which I gathered from the posts is very scarce, and I would like to know more. Unfortunately, I was not able to find Pete Lomax's website anywhere, nor any download link for the Phix source/binaries. Anyone can help?
2. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by andi49 Dec 18, 2012
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I have seen Phix mentioned in many posts, as a fork of Euphoria, and I am curious. The info about Phix which I gathered from the posts is very scarce, and I would like to know more. Unfortunately, I was not able to find Pete Lomax's website anywhere, nor any download link for the Phix source/binaries. Anyone can help?
Hi
As i can't see what Operating System you use, Phix seems to be Windows only.
Andreas
3. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by useless_ Dec 18, 2012
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I have seen Phix mentioned in many posts, as a fork of Euphoria, and I am curious. The info about Phix which I gathered from the posts is very scarce, and I would like to know more. Unfortunately, I was not able to find Pete Lomax's website anywhere, nor any download link for the Phix source/binaries. Anyone can help?
Hi
As i can't see what Operating System you use, Phix seems to be Windows only.
Andreas
Which has a link to:
http://phix.isgreat.org/
which we cannot get to.
useless
4. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by GreenEuphorian Dec 18, 2012
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As i can't see what Operating System you use, Phix seems to be Windows only.
Andreas
Thanks. I could not find much information about Phix itself, not even in the Edita file that I downloaded. The Phix interpreter/compiler is there alright, but I could not find any specifically Phix-focused documentation, describing the project, which is what I was looking for.
Also, I got the impression that Phix is still at a very early developmental stage, and that maybe its development is stagnating. Of course, being a one-man enterprise, one may expect that. And my impressions may be wrong, of course.
It seems that, for the time being, I better stick to mainstream Euphoria.
Pete, if you are reading this, could you please provide an update about the Phix project, and some descriptive Phix-related information in addition to what you already said in the old posts? That would be very much appreciated.
Thanks
5. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by EUWX Dec 18, 2012
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The version of Phix I downloaded some time ago is version 5.9 dated June,2010.
The author is still very active at this site, and perhaps he will respond.
6. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by andi49 Dec 18, 2012
- 2060 views
I have seen Phix mentioned in many posts, as a fork of Euphoria, and I am curious. The info about Phix which I gathered from the posts is very scarce, and I would like to know more. Unfortunately, I was not able to find Pete Lomax's website anywhere, nor any download link for the Phix source/binaries. Anyone can help?
Hi
As i can't see what Operating System you use, Phix seems to be Windows only.
Andreas
Which has a link to:
http://phix.isgreat.org/
which we cannot get to.
useless
Hi
try this one
Andreas
7. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by useless_ Dec 18, 2012
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I have seen Phix mentioned in many posts, as a fork of Euphoria, and I am curious. The info about Phix which I gathered from the posts is very scarce, and I would like to know more. Unfortunately, I was not able to find Pete Lomax's website anywhere, nor any download link for the Phix source/binaries. Anyone can help?
Hi
As i can't see what Operating System you use, Phix seems to be Windows only.
Andreas
Which has a link to:
http://phix.isgreat.org/
which we cannot get to.
useless
Hi
try this one
Andreas
That works fine, thanks, Andreas. I wonder how Pete got that link wrong?
useless
8. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by GreenEuphorian Dec 18, 2012
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Interesting stuff indeed. The project is active but, alas, Pete seems to be focusing only on programming, and neglecting the documentation! I wish there was some clear description of what he is doing, but there are only very technical remarks here and there. Perhaps it is because the project is not ready yet for the general public, but wouldn't it attract more people if there was more documentation?
Anyway, can someone confirm that Phix is meant to be Windows-only?
Or is there a Linux version on the roadmap perhaps?
9. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Dec 20, 2012
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That works fine, thanks, Andreas. I wonder how Pete got that link wrong?
He didn't. The webhost changed the link out from under him: http://openeuphoria.org/forum/m/118023.wc
10. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by useless_ Dec 20, 2012
- 1850 views
That works fine, thanks, Andreas. I wonder how Pete got that link wrong?
He didn't. The webhost changed the link out from under him: http://openeuphoria.org/forum/m/118023.wc
Oh, he didn't update the links since April. Ok. As long as everyone on earth knows to research the issue in these forum archives when they use his site.
useless
11. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Dec 20, 2012
- 1870 views
That works fine, thanks, Andreas. I wonder how Pete got that link wrong?
He didn't. The webhost changed the link out from under him: http://openeuphoria.org/forum/m/118023.wc
Oh, he didn't update the links since April.
Yeah, not my problem though.
Ok. As long as everyone on earth knows to research the issue in these forum archives when they use his site.
But that seems to be virtually nobody...
Oh well. Glad it's not my problem.
12. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by GreenEuphorian Dec 21, 2012
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Some of the features introduced by Phix are really neat. I wish they were adopted by Open Euphoria. I was wondering, would there be any licensing issues in importing some features form Phix?
13. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by mattlewis (admin) Dec 21, 2012
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Some of the features introduced by Phix are really neat. I wish they were adopted by Open Euphoria. I was wondering, would there be any licensing issues in importing some features form Phix?
Phix is a very different beast, under the hood, than Open Euphoria. So in order to put any Phix features into Open Euphoria would probably require rewriting the implementation, which should avoid any licensing issues.
Matt
14. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by DerekParnell (admin) Dec 21, 2012
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Some of the features introduced by Phix are really neat.
For example ... ?
15. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Dec 21, 2012
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Some of the features introduced by Phix are really neat.
For example ... ?
One thing that stood out was native multithreading support that could take advantage of multiple cpus or cores.
16. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Dec 21, 2012
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Some of the features introduced by Phix are really neat.
For example ... ?
One thing that stood out was native multithreading support that could take advantage of multiple cpus or cores.
Another nice thing it has: http://openeuphoria.org/forum/m/114295.wc
17. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by mattlewis (admin) Dec 21, 2012
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Some of the features introduced by Phix are really neat.
For example ... ?
One thing that stood out was native multithreading support that could take advantage of multiple cpus or cores.
I wasn't aware it supported that. There are definitely plans to do this for euphoria, but it's a pretty big change, and a lot of stuff that needs to be decided.
I didn't see any online documentation that mentioned this. Where did you find out about this?
Matt
18. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by useless_ Dec 21, 2012
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Some of the features introduced by Phix are really neat. I wish they were adopted by Open Euphoria. I was wondering, would there be any licensing issues in importing some features form Phix?
Ditto OOEU.
useless
19. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Dec 21, 2012
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Some of the features introduced by Phix are really neat.
For example ... ?
One thing that stood out was native multithreading support that could take advantage of multiple cpus or cores.
I wasn't aware it supported that. There are definitely plans to do this for euphoria, but it's a pretty big change, and a lot of stuff that needs to be decided.
I didn't see any online documentation that mentioned this. Where did you find out about this?
Matt
20. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by GreenEuphorian Dec 21, 2012
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I obviously missed a passage, but why did Pete break away in the first place? (I hope I am not stirring up a controversial issue with this question - if so, just ignore it). I am asking because I don't see much sense in developing an alternative Euphoria, and I would see it more logic to add those extra features to mainstream Euphoria rather than developing them separately. This would also avoid all licensing issues and simplify things.
21. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by useless_ Dec 21, 2012
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I obviously missed a passage, but why did Pete break away in the first place? (I hope I am not stirring up a controversial issue with this question - if so, just ignore it). I am asking because I don't see much sense in developing an alternative Euphoria, and I would see it more logic to add those extra features to mainstream Euphoria rather than developing them separately. This would also avoid all licensing issues and simplify things.
The whole reason there is a Phix, OOEU, Open Euphoria, Bach, and others is that RDS would not add the new features to Euphoria.
useless
22. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by GreenEuphorian Dec 21, 2012
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The whole reason there is a Phix, OOEU, Open Euphoria, Bach, and others is that RDS would not add the new features to Euphoria.
useless
RDS? That was years ago. Or perhaps you meant to say Open Euphoria ?!?
23. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by useless_ Dec 21, 2012
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The whole reason there is a Phix, OOEU, Open Euphoria, Bach, and others is that RDS would not add the new features to Euphoria.
useless
RDS? That was years ago. Or perhaps you meant to say Open Euphoria ?!?
No, all these alternative Euphorias cropped up starting back then. Every one i mentioned started (and some ended) before RDS made Eu open-source. You asked "why did Pete break away in the first place?", and the answer is : "RDS didn't include any of those improvements into Euphoria, and was never going to". The same with the others.
useless
24. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by GreenEuphorian Dec 22, 2012
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The whole reason there is a Phix, OOEU, Open Euphoria, Bach, and others is that RDS would not add the new features to Euphoria.
useless
RDS? That was years ago. Or perhaps you meant to say Open Euphoria ?!?
No, all these alternative Euphorias cropped up starting back then. Every one i mentioned started (and some ended) before RDS made Eu open-source. You asked "why did Pete break away in the first place?", and the answer is : "RDS didn't include any of those improvements into Euphoria, and was never going to". The same with the others.
useless
So, what about now? Open Euphoria is an open-source community project, and it has been for some time. Could Pete's project (or part of it) not be merged with the main project? This was actually the gist of my original question: why two parallel projects? Pete is obviously a talented programmer, and he would be a valuable resource for the main OE project.
25. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by DerekParnell (admin) Dec 22, 2012
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So, what about now? Open Euphoria is an open-source community project, and it has been for some time. Could Pete's project (or part of it) not be merged with the main project? This was actually the gist of my original question: why two parallel projects? Pete is obviously a talented programmer, and he would be a valuable resource for the main OE project.
A literal merging of the source code is no longer possible as they have diverged too far. However, it may be possible to take the concepts implemented in one and re-implement them in the other. But it could also be that the design objectives of the two projects are mutually incompatible.
I'd like to know which aspects of Phix that you, or others, would like to see implemented in OpenEu. So far I've heard of two ...
- Multiple core support
- Boolean tests in conditional expressions. eg. if Seq1 = Seq2 then ... This currently fails in OpenEu
As far I know, it is Pete's choice not to work on OpenEu project.
Forked into: Phix features to import into Open Euphoria
26. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by useless_ Dec 22, 2012
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As far I know, it is Pete's choice not to work on OpenEu project.
The fine exact point of it being open source may have nothing to do with his choice. (It's not like he is making any money from Phix, especially as it's web presence is thru broken links that search engines cannot resolve.) The entire list of issues may boil down be that he'd haveto redo all of his work, in an alien environment, on different OSs, and be constantly overridden by the existing dev team of Open Euphoria. He'd haveto be a hell of a masochist, with a lot of time to spare, to do it.
useless
27. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Dec 22, 2012
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As far I know, it is Pete's choice not to work on OpenEu project.
The fine exact point of it being open source may have nothing to do with his choice.
I don't see where it was indicated otherwise (or by who).
The entire list of issues may boil down be that he'd haveto redo all of his work,
Agreed.
in an alien environment,
Agreed.
Well, it might not be that alien in a personal sense - Pete's probably familiar with GCC and friends at least - but I think what you meant is that OpenEuphoria is totally different from Phix's self-hosting environment.
on different OSs,
I disagree. He works on Windoze, I don't see why that'd have to change if he did move to OpenEuphoria.
and be constantly overridden by the existing dev team of Open Euphoria. He'd haveto be a hell of a masochist, with a lot of time to spare, to do it.
That's not what Pete said: http://openeuphoria.org/forum/m/117074.wc
I think Jeremy's response to Pete then is still relevant here and now: http://openeuphoria.org/forum/m/117085.wc
Anyways, I suspect the strongest component is Pete's available free time - if he doesn't even have time to fix links on his own websites, I can see how he'd be hard pressed to commit to OpenEuphoria as a major developer.
28. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by GreenEuphorian Dec 22, 2012
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Anyways, I suspect the strongest component is Pete's available free time - if he doesn't even have time to fix links on his own websites, I can see how he'd be hard pressed to commit to OpenEuphoria as a major developer.
Sorry, but I don't think it's very fair to make this assumption. It doesn't sound nice.
29. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Dec 22, 2012
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Anyways, I suspect the strongest component is Pete's available free time - if he doesn't even have time to fix links on his own websites, I can see how he'd be hard pressed to commit to OpenEuphoria as a major developer.
Sorry, but I don't think it's very fair to make this assumption. It doesn't sound nice.
Well, you are right. Actually, that wasn't the only reason though - I seem to recall that he'd mentioned his own lack of free time in the past, though I can't find the exact posts now.
You're right though. Pete is here on this forum right now (or at least as of today), so I'll let him speak for himself.
30. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by petelomax Dec 23, 2012
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Hi there,
Most things have already been said, but just to clarify:
Phix was created before Eu went open source, and I have no intention of abandoning it. Having an alternative is no bad thing. There are no licencing issues with any Phix features being ported into any open source project. Kat made a fair point in that I probably worry far too much about compatibility with OpenEu. I fully agree with what jimcbrown said, finding free time is a bit of an issue for me.
Of course I would like Andorid/Linux/64bit versions of Phix but ... really gotta make the Windows32 version something special first. I have made significant strides towards native thread support this year but there is still plenty to do and no real point even offering a guess as to when that will be finished.
Few, if any, people actually use Phix apart from me, going by the number of bug reports. I use it for all my personal stuff, and for several things at work, such as stripping GUIDs from repackaged apps, sorting the output from Microsoft SQL server, and any form of (source) file comparision. In other words it is perfectly useable as-is (imnsho).
This is my latest wish/todo summary, sorted by order of importance:
Native threads
make builtins\ thread safe
ditto std\ replacement
Android
cross platform GUI (hmm)
Intellisense
embed Phix in Edita
Manual
fix that bug in I/O redirection
improved/more webinars
Proper register allocation
linear scan
multiple returns
dll creation
hash/dictionaries
Unicode support
64 bit/Lunix
com/oop
regular expressions
Pete
31. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by coconut Dec 23, 2012
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Pete,
Did you know about that other Phix project?
32. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by GreenEuphorian Dec 23, 2012
- 1737 views
You could always rename it to Phi (the Greek letter). The Phi programming language, doesn't it sound cute?
33. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Dec 23, 2012
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You could always rename it to Phi (the Greek letter). The Phi programming language, doesn't it sound cute?
Or just P. (You know, the old joke about B, C, P, L....)
34. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by GreenEuphorian Dec 23, 2012
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You could always rename it to Phi (the Greek letter). The Phi programming language, doesn't it sound cute?
Or just P. (You know, the old joke about B, C, P, L....)
Phi definitely sounds more classy!
35. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by kenneth Dec 25, 2012
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You could always rename it to Phi (the Greek letter). The Phi programming language, doesn't it sound cute?
That sounds good to me. Would it be pronounced fee, as in no phi financing and Phiphi (the pet dog of Maggie and Jiggs)? Or would it be pronounced fie, as in hi phi and phire at will? My math teachers and the near campus social clubs could never agree.
36. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by jmduro Jan 07, 2013
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Hello Pete,
AVG antivirus indicates that official.exe contains virus Win32/Heur.
Regards
Jean-Marc
37. Re: Information about Phix
- Posted by petelomax Jan 07, 2013
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Hello Pete,
AVG antivirus indicates that official.exe contains virus Win32/Heur.
Regards
Jean-Marc
Yes. This 18-month-old scan shows the same but a clean bill of health from 34 out of 37 scanners. My conclusion is that the 3 are false positives.
Pete
Edit: and if you click on that http://v.virscan.org/Win32/Heur.html link, AVG claims 67685 submitted files have that "problem" and it is still finding around 3 per hour... I suppose what I c/should do is reproduce that scan here, on a copy of the file in some test directory, and write a little proggy to blat it with blocks of binary zeroes, to find out exactly which bit of binary is causing it.
