1. Eu$>RDS>MAC port of Euphoria
This is my impression of the state of affairs:
RDS is a small concern that is stretched kind of thin. In some
ways it appears to be a hobby business for Robert Craig - marketing
Euphoria is pretty much a way of subsidizing the development of
his language. Often, I think of Rob as an artist who is not
willing to sell out his principals, his values, his vision, no
matter what the sacrifice, for commercial success.
I remember years ago Rob making comments that "now" he was working
on Euphoria development full time. Currently, Euphoria is
sidelined while he is attending to contract work to make money.
The Euphoria Micro Economy may or may not be hurting RDS -
I reckon that by the time Eu 3.0 is out, RDS will have lost
about $25.00 on my account,
because I "vote" $3.00 every month to someone.
The development of GUI's appears not to have been a priority or
interest of RDS, nor does a port to the MAC platform.
Euphoria contributors have been willing to develop GUI's - but
many of of these most talented pioneer Euphoria programers have
then left the Euphoria community expressing frustration at the
lack of support by RDS for features they have felt they needed.
D. Newhalls observation that "the breakdown of OS usage goes
Windows > Mac > *nix" is, I believe, correct, but I bet RDS
will have to make a hardware investment to even get started.
Got a MAC to donate?
I wonder how many registered Euphoria user's might be willing
to pledge their $3.00/month Eu$'s toward a kitty for RDS to
buy a MAC? Wonder if RDS would enter into such a bargain?
A few weeks back I noticed that RealBasic had a new release.
They have been arround a while - remember them from my Atari
ST days. They seem to be offering a pretty ritzy development
package - a ritzy IDE, easy develpment of cross platform
GUI applications - just click the platform your developing for.
The cost was about ten times that of Euphoria, more or less.
Personally, I think RDS should just add routine folding,
and a full window option to ed.ex. 
>D. Newhall wrote:
>
> Robert Craig wrote:
> >
> > darek wrote:
> > > Just quick question. Is there any possibility that Euphoria will be
> > > ported
> > > to the Intel-based machines running Mc OS X?
> >
> > I'm not working on it, and I don't know of anyone who is,
> > but it should be fairly easy for someone with a bit of
> > C knowledge, and $79.
> >
> > <a
> > href="http://www.rapideuphoria.com/reg.htm">http://www.rapideuphoria.com/reg.htm</a>
> >
> > It shouldn't require many changes from the Linux/FreeBSD
> > versions of Euphoria.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob Craig
> > Rapid Deployment Software
> > <a href="http://www.RapidEuphoria.com">http://www.RapidEuphoria.com</a>
>
> Now I (usually) keep my criticisms to Euphoria to as minimal a level as
> possible
> but this is the one "ROB! YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED TO CHANGE/ADD THIS FEATURE OR
> EUPHORIA WILL *DIE*!!!1" comment that I hold to be absolutely vaild.
>
>
> The breakdown of OS usage goes Windows > Mac > *nix. You support two very
> nice *nixes (Linux and FreeBSD) but adding all desktop and server users of
> those
> OSes still amounts to less than Mac OS X (3.4% versus 2.9%). Why do you
> support
> Linux and BSD but not the more popular OS? Isn't it in your best interest
> commercially
> to port Euphoria to it? If I was arguing that you should port Euphoria to VMS
> then, understandably and rightly so, you could brush me off but I'm arguing
> that the second most popular OS in the world get a single port of a nice
> programming
> language.
>
> You could also say (like above) that I could buy the source and port it myself
> but I must ask why should I? I don't see how me paying you money so I can work
> for hours porting it to helps me in any way. It's possible to survive without
> Euphoria and it's a commercial language (one doesn't pay Wal-Mart to move into
> their hometown if they think it'd be good for Wal-Mart's buisness do they?).
> I also severely lack the time to embark on such a project since I go to
> college
> and work. If anything went wrong I'd have to analyze the source code figure
> it all out and try to fix it between classes and working. You are busy with
> work too, this is true, however, Euphoria IS your work. Plus, if I had the
> time
> to port a language I would port an open source one instead since it'd involve
> the same amount of work but without me paying $80.
>
> In summation, I sincerely hope you'll take this into account and work towards
> producing a version of Euphoria for the Mac because otherwise I (and others)
> will be Euphoria-less and neither I nor you I suspect want that.
Ken Rhodes
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2. Re: Eu$>RDS>MAC port of Euphoria
Kenneth Rhodes wrote:
> Often, I think of Rob as an artist who is not
> willing to sell out his principals, his values, his vision, no
> matter what the sacrifice, for commercial success.
>
> I remember years ago Rob making comments that "now" he was working
> on Euphoria development full time. Currently, Euphoria is
> sidelined while he is attending to contract work to make money.
At the risk of being way off topic....
Rob Craig seems to have some similarity to Howard Roark, the main hero in the
novel Fountainhead. (I don't know whether that's a compliment or an insult or a
mixture of compliment and insult.)
Howard Roark was an architect, a designer of buildings. He had his own
philosophy about how buildings ought to be designed. He was kicked out of
architectural school for insubordination. His ideas about architecture were in
conflict with some of his teachers. He was otherwise a brilliant student.
His refusal to compromise his ideas about architecture caused him hardship. For
a while he was reduced to working as an unskilled labourer.
In the end he succeeded. Sort of. He blew up his own building because it was not
built the way he designed it.
Here is what Mark Skousen writes about Howard Roark.
http://www.mskousen.com/Books/Articles/0101aynrand.html
