Re: Illegal export of crypto
>These obligations hold whether I agree with the law in question
>or not. Under the circumstances, I must advise the members of
>this list - most especially Ralf - to _not_ discuss this matter
>on the list, or even assert a willingness or intent to violate
>any laws. Take it to private mail, if you must discuss it; that
>way, I will not be seeing it, and will not be obligated to report
>it.
Hello ? Im dutch. I havent broken any dutch law. Unlike the states (who
indeed systematically monitor the rest of the world, on the phone, internet,
etc. and are thus braking one of the human rights: privacy) here we dont
have the resource to do such things. Plus we dont have a 'secret' service or
something in that line. Holland is a country of prevention rather than a
punishment machine. (catch & kill, right?)
>That said, there is a major loophole in the crypto laws that Ralf
>has stated his disagreement with: It is perfectly legal to
>export the source code in _printed_ form, i.e., on lots of paper.
Disagreement ? No, It is just silly. It is what they did with some of the
common known encryption programs. Anyone feel free to mail me the source
code:
Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen
Schoener 22
2401 MT Alphen Aan Den Rijn
The Netherlands
>Yes, it's an asinine difference, especially given the ease of
>converting back and forth. However, the distinction has been
>upheld in U.S. courts, over the objections of the U.S.
>Government. I can avoid the need to report the intended
>violation of the law by noting that I am assuming that Ralf's
>intent, as a law-abiding citizen, was to simply take the
A law-abiding citizen ? If I hold upto the law, then that means the law
upholds to my values, and NOT the other way around. We are people, not
slaves, get a mind of your own.
>necessary information from an interested party so that he could
>mail out a source book for the program/library in question.
>However, if it becomes clear that this is _not_ the intent, I
>will be obligated to report it. Don't force me into that
>distasteful position.
Its only the states that is having these issues and other than that, its an
international group of users and therefor, since internet is a 'ghost'. (you
cant touch it, see it, feel it, or associate a fixed position with it) it is
considered to be an 'international area'. All so called illegal activities
although originated from different countries. Take for example the crap on
the newsgroups, those who post are violating, but the ISP that store the
crap (and every ISP stores it for itself) are not violating. So, when I post
an message illegal in the states, then they could do me harm, if I would
live in the states, otherwise they can off course choose to start a war with
holland, and sent some misiles our way.
The amount of 'trust' and 'loyality' you people put into an bad attempt of
achieving a good environment based upon democracy and human right. Why dont
you uphold what the idea *behind* the law, rather than the bad
implementation of that idea.
Most people of the US think this can and may be exported. So to prevent that
from happening your upholding the law and downgrading the ideals behind it.
Not the most ethical correct move, only the most politically correct move.
Ralf
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