1. Database and language related information
Hi,
For those who love exotic databases try K. So take a look at
http://www.kx.com/. It might give us Euphorians new ideas.
The general data structure of the language is lists of lists, sounds
familiar isn't it. The language is a compact and complete formula
vector language that can implement any algorithm. You can download
demo's and manuals. Don't miss the K User Manual. So create your idea
and go Euphoria.
Another nice site is http://www.cs.kun.nl/~clean/. A language with a
complete working WIN-API and free downloads for study. For me this
language is to difficult so I keep using Euphoria.
I post this message NOT with the intention to pull you away from
Euphoria only to broaden your sight.
Marcel
2. Re: Database and language related information
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcel Kollenaar <M.Kollenaar at SLO.NL>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 3:53 AM
Subject: Database and language related information
> Another nice site is http://www.cs.kun.nl/~clean/. A language with a
> complete working WIN-API and free downloads for study. For me this
> language is to difficult so I keep using Euphoria.
I am not impressed, *none* of the support or example files would download,
and neither would the program download. I can see why it's so difficult to
use.
Kat
3. Re: Database and language related information
- Posted by jiri <j.babor at GNS.CRI.NZ>
Jan 05, 2000
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Last edited Jan 06, 2000
Kat wrote:
>> Another nice site is http://www.cs.kun.nl/~clean/. A language with a
>> complete working WIN-API and free downloads for study. For me this
>> language is to difficult so I keep using Euphoria.
>I am not impressed, *none* of the support or example files would download,
>and neither would the program download. I can see why it's so difficult to
>use.
Kat, that is simply not true. I downloaded the thing twice already, the
bundle for Windoze, without a hitch. I even installed it under NT 4.0, and
again without any problems. In fact I like it very much so far. It's not as
simple as Euphoria, but it appears to be reasonably complete, examples that
I tried, worked, and it seems to be quite fast too, though I have not done
any benchmarking yet. Overall it's the first functional language that I
feel comfortable with. I do not even know whether I will have enough time
and energy to explore it any more, but it certainly looks very promising,
some aspects, like project management, ide, etc, appear to be streets ahead
of our beloved Euphoria. Be fair. jiri
4. Re: Database and language related information
- Posted by Kat <KSMiTH at PELL.NET>
Jan 05, 2000
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Last edited Jan 06, 2000
----- Original Message -----
From: jiri <j.babor at GNS.CRI.NZ>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Database and language related information
> Kat wrote:
>
> >> Another nice site is http://www.cs.kun.nl/~clean/. A language with a
> >> complete working WIN-API and free downloads for study. For me this
> >> language is to difficult so I keep using Euphoria.
>
> >I am not impressed, *none* of the support or example files would
download,
> >and neither would the program download. I can see why it's so difficult
to
> >use.
>
> Kat, that is simply not true.
What, it did download here? I don't see it anywhere on any harddrive here. I
got errors with every attempt to download when i clicked on download at the
web page. I didn't get the window asking if i wanted to run it or save it.
It is true, it did NOT download here.
> I downloaded the thing twice already, the
> bundle for Windoze, without a hitch. I even installed it under NT 4.0, and
> again without any problems. In fact I like it very much so far. It's not
as
> simple as Euphoria, but it appears to be reasonably complete, examples
that
> I tried, worked, and it seems to be quite fast too, though I have not done
> any benchmarking yet. Overall it's the first functional language that I
> feel comfortable with. I do not even know whether I will have enough time
> and energy to explore it any more, but it certainly looks very promising,
> some aspects, like project management, ide, etc, appear to be streets
ahead
> of our beloved Euphoria. Be fair. jiri
I am being fair, Jiri. I downloaded Rebol, Perl, Free Pascal, Lisp, Prolog,
and several other languages. Why would i tell you a lie about Clean?
Kat
5. Re: Database and language related information
Kat, you did not say "I could not download...'', you said "*none* ... would
download,...", because you needed it for the cute punch line. That's what I
meant by fairness. jiri
6. Re: Database and language related information
- Posted by Brian Broker <bkb at CNW.COM>
Jan 05, 2000
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Last edited Jan 06, 2000
On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:44:29 -0600, Kat wrote:
>I
>got errors with every attempt to download when i clicked on download at the
>web page. I didn't get the window asking if i wanted to run it or save it.
>It is true, it did NOT download here.
I also had troubles downloading via my browser...
Solution: anonymous FTP using the URL for address and path.
Initial impression: Doesn't look as CLEAN as Euphoria... but I only
compiled a few games. I haven't looked at any docs...
-- Brian
7. Re: Database and language related information
- Posted by Kat <KSMiTH at PELL.NET>
Jan 05, 2000
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Last edited Jan 06, 2000
----- Original Message -----
From: Jiri Babor <J.Babor at GNS.CRI.NZ>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Database and language related information
> Kat, you did not say "I could not download...'', you said "*none* ...
would
> download,...", because you needed it for the cute punch line. That's what
I
> meant by fairness. jiri
>
That's because *none* of the files would download from that site for me,
even tho i did try several times. How perceptive of you to discern my
motives. Not.
Kat,
peeved.
8. Re: Database and language related information
Peeved? Sorry. It was a "backhanded compliment"! (Does anybody remember Everett
any more?) jiri
9. Re: Database and language related information
- Posted by Everett Williams <rett at GVTC.COM>
Jan 06, 2000
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Last edited Jan 07, 2000
On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:35:21 +1300, Jiri Babor <J.Babor at GNS.CRI.NZ> wrote:
>Peeved? Sorry. It was a "backhanded compliment"! (Does anybody remember
Everett
>any more?) jiri
Backhanded "what" did you say Jiri. I'm still alive out here, but very busy
at the moment. At least you two are proving that it doesn't require my
presence to have a little minor irritability in this group. The only thing
wrong with this conversation is that any "positive comment" about any
language other than Euphoria seems to draw negative comments on the list.
The only reason that this defensiveness seems necessary is that our
esteemed author seems determined not provide the types of facilities that
most of these other budding languages seem to think necessary.
It is a choice. Whether it is a good choice remains to be seen. I vote for
an IDE and standard libs at least approved, if not maintained by the
author. I would also vote for open source and cooperative development, but
that seems to be another "foreign" concept, even with a Linux version at
hand. One man bands seem to have died out in the early part of this
century because better music could be made by groups cooperating together.
In the long run, this language will not survive unless it is carried
forward by a wider group and with more openness than now exists. The idea
of some ill event happening to Mr. Craig at this moment hardly can be
born. In addition, too much time is wasted trying to guess what was
"really" intended in some features of the language...since the documentation
is anything but definitive.
On the other hand, even with the loss of Mr. Dumer, some other contributors
have made some major advances in facilities for the language to use. I hope
that continues and provides some incentive to our authors to take the
future of this language more seriously.
Everett L.(Rett) Williams
rett at gvtc.com
