1. Xbasic...anyone ever heard of or try?
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Not one to advertise or pull away from Euphoria, but has anyone ever =
tried Xbasic? It is (supposedly) a Qbasic-style WIN32 compiler (yes, =
compiler). I just d/led it, but have not installed.
Oh, and it is portable to Linux as well...any program you write for =
winbloze will work on Linux as long as it does not make OS calls, API, =
or non-portable functions. And the Xbasic functions are C compatible.
Anyways, this might give some people some clues on how to move EU to =
Linux. The source code is available to Xbasic as well. 'Tis freeware =
too!
Website: www.maxreason.com/software/xbasic/xbasic.html
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2. Re: Xbasic...anyone ever heard of or try?
But its basic ? Why bother 
There are also win32 compilers for ASM, for pascal, etc.
Ralf
3. Re: Xbasic...anyone ever heard of or try?
On Sat, 22 May 1999 12:27:53 +0200, Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen <nieuwen at XS4ALL.NL>
wrote:
>But its basic ? Why bother
>There are also win32 compilers for ASM, for pascal, etc.
>
It also costs US$195
*No* basic is worth that much.
Irv
4. Re: Xbasic...anyone ever heard of or try?
If you go to the site I put a link to, you'll see that it is now
freeware....USED to be $195, but they did a poor job of advertising, etc.,
so they basically stopped developing it. It is now free with open source.
www.maxreason.com/software/xbasic/xbasic.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Irv Mullins <irv at ELLIJAY.COM>
To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: Xbasic...anyone ever heard of or try?
>On Sat, 22 May 1999 12:27:53 +0200, Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen <nieuwen at XS4ALL.NL>
wrote:
>
>>But its basic ? Why bother
>>There are also win32 compilers for ASM, for pascal, etc.
>>
>It also costs US$195
>*No* basic is worth that much.
>
>Irv
>
5. Re: Xbasic...anyone ever heard of or try?
Simkin wrote:
> Oh, and [XBasic] is portable to Linux as well...any program
> you write for winbloze will work on Linux as long as it does not
> make OS calls, API, or non-portable functions.
Pretty much by definition, code is portable if you don't make calls to
non-portable functions.
Seriously, though, XBasic implements the window controls through graphic
calls. So the buttons and other widgets that you see are not "real" buttons,
in the sense that they are not rendered and controlled by the operating
system.
For Linux, XBasic talks directly to the XLib toolkit, the lowest level
graphics toolkit in X Windows. It's portable, and the widgets have the same
look-and-feel as in Windows, since they use the same code. The only stuff
that has to be changed for each OS is the low-level graphic library calls.
The commercial language Turing also takes the same sort of approach, even
rendering the *menus* on the window pane. In Turing, the illusion breaks
down because (1) the Turing widgets look like Win3.1 controls, (2) menus are
clipped when displayed on a window that's too small for the menu, and (3)
Win3.1 controls look silly on a Mac.
> Anyways, this might give some people some clues on how to move EU to
Linux.
Personally, I think that it's a lot of work to re-write the widget set from
scratch when there are a lot of good libraries available. GTK+ comes to mind
as one such library. There are no "native" controls in Linux, since it's
based on X Windows, which specifies graphic calls and window panes, but not
much else. Well, you might consider Motif or Athena "native"... Ick!
> The source code is available to Xbasic as well.
In my understanding, not yet. The author is willing to release to code to
Open Source if there is sufficient interest in people maintaining the code.
As of this point, not enough people have stepped forward, so the source is
not yet available.
The 4 Meg download seems a bit large.
> 'Tis freeware too!
The bad news is that that the author abandoned XBasic as a non-viable
commercial venture after a number of years of business. Let's hope the same
doesn't happen to Euphoria!
-- David Cuny
6. Re: Xbasic...anyone ever heard of or try?
Okay, assuming XBasic is freeware, what's the URL to get it?
John Meyer
USC Today Webmaster
e-mail: jlmeyer at rmi.net
"If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... Oh wait, he
does!"
----- Original Message -----
From: Irv Mullins <irv at ELLIJAY.COM>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: Xbasic...anyone ever heard of or try?
> On Sat, 22 May 1999 12:27:53 +0200, Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen
<nieuwen at XS4ALL.NL> wrote:
>
> >But its basic ? Why bother
> >There are also win32 compilers for ASM, for pascal, etc.
> >
> It also costs US$195
> *No* basic is worth that much.
>
> Irv
7. Re: Xbasic...anyone ever heard of or try?
John L Meyer wrote:
> Okay, assuming XBasic is freeware, what's the URL to get it?
>
> John Meyer
> USC Today Webmaster
> e-mail: jlmeyer at rmi.net
> "If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... Oh wait, he
> does!"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Irv Mullins <irv at ELLIJAY.COM>
> To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 5:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Xbasic...anyone ever heard of or try?
>
> > On Sat, 22 May 1999 12:27:53 +0200, Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen
> <nieuwen at XS4ALL.NL> wrote:
> >
> > >But its basic ? Why bother
> > >There are also win32 compilers for ASM, for pascal, etc.
> > >
> > It also costs US$195
> > *No* basic is worth that much.
> >
> > Irv
8. Re: Xbasic...anyone ever heard of or try?
X-Basic's free except anything you make which is meant to enhance X-Basic
has to be free.
I downloaded it, but only just got around to trying it, and personally the
interface looks crap, to put it bluntly. If it is an example of how it
outputs Windows programs then there's no point even trying to use it...
----- Original Message -----
From: John L Meyer <john_meyer at GEOCITIES.COM>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: 22 May 1999 20:39
Subject: Re: Xbasic...anyone ever heard of or try?
> Okay, assuming XBasic is freeware, what's the URL to get it?
>
> John Meyer
> USC Today Webmaster
> e-mail: jlmeyer at rmi.net
> "If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... Oh wait, he
> does!"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Irv Mullins <irv at ELLIJAY.COM>
> To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 5:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Xbasic...anyone ever heard of or try?
>
>
> > On Sat, 22 May 1999 12:27:53 +0200, Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen
> <nieuwen at XS4ALL.NL> wrote:
> >
> > >But its basic ? Why bother
> > >There are also win32 compilers for ASM, for pascal, etc.
> > >
> > It also costs US$195
> > *No* basic is worth that much.
> >
> > Irv
9. Re: Xbasic...anyone ever heard of or try?
I had a look at it and was disappointed
when its graphically drawn windows failed
to refresh properly when moved off the
screen. I have a pretty average system:
P-120 with an S3 video card. You'd think
they would have got round such an obvious
bug years ago.
Graeme.
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10. Re: Xbasic...anyone ever heard of or try?
Yes, I agree. Upon installing it, it was not all that nice looking.
Anyways, I wish I knew squat about windows programming so I could help get
EU up to par with other windows languages. Sigh.
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From: Rikki Prince <rprince at DIRCON.CO.UK>
To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: Xbasic...anyone ever heard of or try?
>X-Basic's free except anything you make which is meant to enhance X-Basic
>has to be free.
>I downloaded it, but only just got around to trying it, and personally the
>interface looks crap, to put it bluntly. If it is an example of how it
>outputs Windows programs then there's no point even trying to use it...
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: John L Meyer <john_meyer at GEOCITIES.COM>
>To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
>Sent: 22 May 1999 20:39
>Subject: Re: Xbasic...anyone ever heard of or try?
>
>
>> Okay, assuming XBasic is freeware, what's the URL to get it?
>>
>> John Meyer
>> USC Today Webmaster
>> e-mail: jlmeyer at rmi.net
>> "If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... Oh wait, he
>> does!"
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Irv Mullins <irv at ELLIJAY.COM>
>> To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 5:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: Xbasic...anyone ever heard of or try?
>>
>>
>> > On Sat, 22 May 1999 12:27:53 +0200, Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen
>> <nieuwen at XS4ALL.NL> wrote:
>> >
>> > >But its basic ? Why bother
>> > >There are also win32 compilers for ASM, for pascal, etc.
>> > >
>> > It also costs US$195
>> > *No* basic is worth that much.
>> >
>> > Irv
>
