1. Proprietary to common format port
- Posted by David Gay <moggie at INTERLOG.COM> Jan 27, 1999
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If the creation of a maintainable common file format is not workable or too much work, the tutorial could use its own proprietary storage format but can offer the ability to port out a copy of either a small segment (chapter) or all of the tutorial text to HTM, HLP, TXT, CSV, XLS, DBF, and any other formats we choose. This will address a comment someone said before that the tutorial should not be a program, but a document. David
2. Re: Proprietary to common format port
- Posted by Daniel Berstein <daber at PAIR.COM> Jan 27, 1999
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- Last edited Jan 28, 1999
At 06:30 p.m. 27-01-99 -0500, you wrote: >If the creation of a maintainable common file format is not workable or too >much work, the tutorial could use its own proprietary storage format but can >offer the ability to port out a copy of either a small segment (chapter) or >all of the tutorial text to HTM, HLP, TXT, CSV, XLS, DBF, and any other >formats we choose. This will address a comment someone said before that the >tutorial should not be a program, but a document. Why do you need a coversion tool (on the "client" side)? I agree that a development tool should be done, but the output can be plain HTML. And it's easy to create a WinHelp or HtmlHelp file from an HTML source. A common style base must be agreed: Item Font style Font color Background color etc... === ======= ======= ============= ==== Title Subject Text Code snippets etc... Regards, Daniel Berstein daber at pair.com
3. Re: Proprietary to common format port
- Posted by Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen <nieuwen at XS4ALL.NL> Jan 28, 1999
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>A common style base must be agreed: That just a matter of using the right tool. From Word to HotMetal Pro 5, it all supports special format 'styles', using hot-keys and all. The layout - althrough crucial, and the format of the text/information is a little eh.. irrelevant, until we are actually going to start writing the tutorial. I get the feeling most want to start this quickly, and jump into it. Lets first consider the options, more and more, and discuss practical implementation and things like this, at the moment they apply. Im not satisfied until we at least, come to terms what we want to teach: a - What each statement / routine does and how it behavious ? -or- b - How to find the best Euphoria-based algoritm to programming problems ? I personally think, that you can teach beginners what everything of Euphoria does, and they are able to read an Euphoria program. Not write one. When you teach them what programming is about *in* Euphoria, how to find the right tool for the righ problem, they are able to write Euphoria programs. The couple of routines not covered by comments and explenation, can be looked-up by themselves in the standard RDS' documentation. Ralf
4. Re: Proprietary to common format port
- Posted by David Gay <moggie at INTERLOG.COM> Jan 27, 1999
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- Last edited Jan 28, 1999
-----Original Message----- From: Daniel Berstein <daber at PAIR.COM> To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU> Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 7:56 PM Subject: Re: Proprietary to common format port >At 06:30 p.m. 27-01-99 -0500, you wrote: >>If the creation of a maintainable common file format is not workable or too >>much work, the tutorial could use its own proprietary storage format but can >>offer the ability to port out a copy of either a small segment (chapter) or >>all of the tutorial text to HTM, HLP, TXT, CSV, XLS, DBF, and any other >>formats we choose. This will address a comment someone said before that the >>tutorial should not be a program, but a document. > >Why do you need a coversion tool (on the "client" side)? I agree that a >development >tool should be done, but the output can be plain HTML. And it's easy to >create a >WinHelp or HtmlHelp file from an HTML source. > >A common style base must be agreed: > >Item Font style Font color Background color etc... >=== ======= ======= ============= ==== >Title >Subject >Text >Code snippets >etc... > > >Regards, > Daniel Berstein > daber at pair.com One of the reasons why I suggested this was because if HTML cannot be stored effetely enough to be used in a database fashion, the data could be stored in a random-access format (fixed record lengths used in an algorithm to compute the index). While HTML is excellent for showing the interpretation of data in a browser, it's not a database. My second reason was how HTML were we going to go. For example, take the <font> tag. The color portion will be easy, seeing it uses the same RGB scheme Euphoria does. However, Euphoria has no font statement of it's own, so code will have to be written for that. In fact I do believe Jiri was the one that made a font library. If I am wrong, let me know. I wish I knew how to write data to a HLP format file. It would come in handy. David Gay
5. Re: Proprietary to common format port
- Posted by Lucius Hilley <lhilley at CDC.NET> Jan 28, 1999
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At first I thought the idea of HTML would be too flat, Not interactive enough. But HTML can be enhanced in areas where hands on examples are needed. [Enhanced] An HTML tutorial can have some Questions just as ABGTE had. IE: {1, 2, 3, 4} + 5 = ? Then supply a box that the enter there response in an press a Submit buttion. Labeled Guess: also have a I give up button that would display the correct answer in a seperate box. Lucius L. Hilley III "I'm good, not god" --LLH III, 1998
6. Re: Proprietary to common format port
- Posted by Greg Phillips <i.shoot at REDNECKS.COM> Jan 27, 1999
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- Last edited Jan 28, 1999
Lucius Hilley wrote: > At first I thought the idea of HTML would be too flat, Not interactive > enough. But HTML can be enhanced in areas where hands on examples are > needed. [Enhanced] An HTML tutorial can have some > Questions just as ABGTE had. IE: {1, 2, 3, 4} + 5 = ? > Then supply a box that the enter there response in an press a > Submit buttion. Labeled Guess: also have a I give up button that would > display the correct answer in a seperate box. > > Lucius L. Hilley III > "I'm good, not god" --LLH III, 1998 Could the tutorial itself not have this built into it? That would be helpful too, I think...having a bunch of reading, then, to illustrate a point in the text, just a little prompt type thing that asks you to work some problem out. A 'give up' button, and a 'see source' button would also help. The relates back to the learning styles thread. A tutorial built in such a way covers all styles of learning. Anyways, it's an idea. Greg -- Greg Phillips i.shoot at rednecks.com http://euphoria.server101.com -- Useless fact of the day: On an American one-dollar bill, there is an owl in the upper left-hand corner of the "1" encased in the "shield" and a spider hidden in the front upper right-hand corner.
7. Re: Proprietary to common format port
- Posted by Quality <quality at ANNEX.COM> Jan 28, 1999
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>I wish I knew how to write data to a HLP format file. It would come in >handy. > >David Gay David... go to http://www.helpmaster.com