1. The first crusade
Hey guys, I'm going by this on my own, trying to get people to use Euphoria
instead of QB and C. Some help, please? This one guy said it has no user
base, there are no utilities, and he called you guys crappy.
P.S. What's a user base?
2. Re: The first crusade
- Posted by Irv Mullins <irv at ELLIJAY.COM>
Jul 19, 1999
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Last edited Jul 20, 1999
It was a dark and stormy night when Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Matt Z. Nunyabidness
wrote:
> Hey guys, I'm going by this on my own, trying to get people to use Euphoria
> instead of QB and C. Some help, please? This one guy said it has no user
> base, there are no utilities, and he called you guys crappy.
>
> P.S. What's a user base?
All us crappy guys.
Seriously, you might point out that C had no user base when it was invented,
either. BASIC _used_ to have a huge user base, until other programming
languages were invented, and people found out how limited, unwieldy, and
utlimately old-fashioned it was. (You may have to explain these long words to
him - they basically mean "crappy")
Ask just what utilities he is talking about. (I'm betting he won't be able
to name any) If he does, point out that Euphoria is so easy to use we don't need
to depend on others to write simple utility programs for us .
Regards, Irv
3. Re: The first crusade
Hello Matt,
>Hey guys, I'm going by this on my own, trying to get people to use Euphoria
>instead of QB and C. Some help, please? This one guy said it has no user
>base, there are no utilities, and he called you guys crappy.
>
>P.S. What's a user base?
You're not the only one who likes to tell other programmers
about this awesome language. But there are always going
to be people that:
1. Are afraid of anything new or unknown
2. Think that something like Euphoria is too good to be true
3. Are afraid of being a minority (small user base)
or
4. Actually have a good reason for using another language
Most "unbelievers" fall in the first 3 categories.
#4 people are actually some of the easiest "converts"
and I believe you'll find that many Euphoria programers
fall into this category. They use Euphoria for projects
that are suited to Euphoria and other languages for other
projects. I hope some of these individuals will admit it
so I won't sound like a total fool for saying this. Heck,
I still use VB for simple windows apps because of its
easy-design environment.
Lewis Townsend
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4. Re: The first crusade
Matt Z. Nunyabidness wrote:
>Hey guys, I'm going by this on my own, trying to get people to use =
Euphoria
>instead of QB and C. Some help, please? This one guy said it has no =
user
>base, there are no utilities, and he called you guys crappy.
Interesting. Apparently, the guy doesn't have a clue as to what Euphoria =
is
all about, or what it's like, or how many people are using it. I suppose =
if
all he's interested in are utilities and a large user base, he'll love
COBOL. 
But let's look at these "arguments" against the language one =
at
a time shall we?
1) No user base. (I'll assume he meant "low".) Honestly, that's =
irrelevant.
If everyone neglected a language because it was new and had a low =
userbase, ignoring it's benefits, C would have never gotten off the =
ground. So not
only is rejecting Eu. on that basis alone illogical, history shows that =
the
rest of the programming community disagrees with his stance. 
2) No utilities. I agree with Irv here... what's a utility? The language =
has
a host of runtime checks. It has a built-in trace feature, and all =
crashes
tell you EXACTLY what went wrong, and where (in the registered version.) =
What
more does the man want? If he's talking about parsers, libraries, etc., =
you
might want to mention the hundreds of solid, user-created contributions.
3) We're "crappy". Hmm... not the language, but us. I think I can safely =
say
this "response" demands that it be ignored....
There, that wasn't hard. With those points made, you can then show off =
the
benchmark results where Euphoria blows a few other languages out of the
water. Frankly though, this one guy doesn't exactly sound open to new =
ideas.
It would probably be better to spend time presenting these points to =
people
who are at least partially receptive.
Rod
5. Re: The first crusade
In response to there being "no utilities", there's one simple argument that sums
up Euphoria as a whole:
With Euphoria, it's trivial just to write the damned things yourself.
Greg
