1. Knew it wouldn't last.....
- Posted by Paul Kerslake <paulk at UNISERVE.COM>
Aug 08, 2000
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Last edited Aug 09, 2000
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When I downloaded Euhporia and saw the word register, I knew it wouldn't =
last. Not to mention the $29.95 cost is, how shall I say, way out of my =
range. I'm 15 I don't have a summer job and $10 a week isn't going to =
cut it. Not to mention I desperatly need a new CD-ROM which will cost me =
big. 4x don't work.
So, I'm -sigh- not going to order the full version any time soon. I =
really hate to say that. But, I will get it eventually. So some =
questions about the full version:
1. Will the full version somehow increase mr programming skills.
2. Can I make independant .EXE files and send them to my friends.
3. How much is it.
Y'see, if it's $400, a la C++ or visual or whatever, forget it. That's =
insane.=20
I will be back......soon
-Shine on you crazy diamonds......
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When I downloaded Euhporia and saw the =
word=20
register, I knew it wouldn't last. Not to mention the $29.95 cost is, =
how shall=20
I say, way out of my range. I'm 15 I don't have a summer job and $10 a =
week=20
isn't going to cut it. Not to mention I <EM>desperatly need</EM> a new =
CD-ROM=20
which will cost me big. 4x don't work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So, I'm -sigh- not going to order the =
full version=20
any time soon. I really hate to say that. But, I will get it eventually. =
So some=20
questions about the full version:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1. Will the full version somehow =
increase mr=20
programming skills.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2. Can I make independant .EXE files =
<EM>and</EM>=20
send them to my friends.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3. How much is it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Y'see, if it's $400, a la C++ or visual =
or=20
whatever, forget it. That's insane. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will be back......soon</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Shine on you crazy=20
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2. Re: Knew it wouldn't last.....
Answers:
1. Maybe... It really depends on what you are into... The full version will
give you more flexiblity to learn more, or at least make it somewhat easier
to learn more...
2. Yup... It comes with a binding exe to bind all your files together....
3. $30 for Win/Dos and $20 for Linux as explainded in the register.ex
I agree that $400+ dollars is way to much... me myself am only 13... heh...
but i will get the Full Version soon... maybe for my birthday =p
later, and g'luck to ya
3. Re: Knew it wouldn't last.....
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:45:42 -0700, Paul Kerslake wrote:
>When I downloaded Euhporia and saw the word register, I knew it wouldn't
>last. Not to mention the $29.95 cost is, how shall I say, way out of my
>range. I'm 15 I don't have a summer job and $10 a week isn't going to cut
>it. Not to mention I desperatly need a new CD-ROM which will cost me big.
>4x don't work.
>
>So, I'm -sigh- not going to order the full version any time soon. I really
hate to say that. But, I will get it eventually. So some questions about
the full version:
>
>1. Will the full version somehow increase mr programming skills.
No, registering Euphoria will not magically increase your programming
skills. Only practice can do that. But it definitely helps to have
debugging capabilities over 300 lines. Once you start coding larger
projects, this is something you must have to save on development time.
>2. Can I make independant .EXE files and send them to my friends.
Yes
>3. How much is it.
See http://www.rapideuphoria.com/reg.htm for more info.
$40 (for DOS32 and Win32) isn't much at all to pay for good development
software. Perhaps if you can show your parents what you can do with the
shareware version, you might be able to talk them into getting it for you
as a gift. Tell them about how educational it is and how interested you
are in it. Then point out how much some other development software costs
these days (i.e. hundreds of dollars). I don't know of too many parents
who wouldn't spend $40 dollars for 'educational software'. Heck, that's
less than most Nintendo64 games.
Not to mention that you could write your own shareware programs and try to
earn that money to repay them... (unfortunately, software needs to be quite
sophisticated these days to get people to pay for it, but it doesn't hurt
to try).
-- Brian
4. Re: Knew it wouldn't last.....
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Hi Paul
It's not so bad - the 300 line limit isn't such a killer. I used =
Euphoria for a year and a half without registering. Robert's scheme of =
providing a fully functional package with the debugger crippled for big =
programs is very generous, and I hope quite effective in generating =
sales. It sure worked with me - by the time the 300 line limit became a =
real pain I was hooked on the language and had no choice but to buy.=20
The thing to realize is that the 300 line limit is only on the debugger. =
You can get around it in a couple of legal ways.
a) Don't use the debugger - it's a wonderful convenience, but not =
absolutely necessary.
b) If you're using an unstamped library, maybe try making a copy with a =
new name that has had everything that you don't need discarded. For =
example, with the pcsound.e (which I have not examined) you may be only =
using a couple of functions out of dozens provided. Take those couple =
out of pcsound.e and put them into something like paul.e. Then the =
library won't eat up your 300 lines all by itself.
c) Make bigger programs by writing and testing smaller modules that fit =
in the 300 line limit and then combining them when they are correct into =
a bigger program. You still have a bit of a debugging problem at the end =
of the process, but you have access to the debugger for creation of all =
the modules.
Onwards and upwards
Bye
Martin=20
simulat at intergate.bc.ca
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Paul Kerslake=20
To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 8:45 PM
Subject: Knew it wouldn't last.....
When I downloaded Euhporia and saw the word register, I knew it =
wouldn't last. Not to mention the $29.95 cost is, how shall I say, way =
out of my range. I'm 15 I don't have a summer job and $10 a week isn't =
going to cut it. Not to mention I desperatly need a new CD-ROM which =
will cost me big. 4x don't work.
So, I'm -sigh- not going to order the full version any time soon. I =
really hate to say that. But, I will get it eventually. So some =
questions about the full version:
1. Will the full version somehow increase mr programming skills.
2. Can I make independant .EXE files and send them to my friends.
3. How much is it.
Y'see, if it's $400, a la C++ or visual or whatever, forget it. That's =
insane.=20
I will be back......soon
-Shine on you crazy diamonds......
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hi Paul</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>It's not so bad - the 300 line limit isn't such a =
killer. I=20
used Euphoria for a year and a half without registering. Robert's scheme =
of=20
providing a fully functional package with the debugger crippled for big =
programs=20
is very generous, and I hope quite effective in generating sales. It =
sure worked=20
with me - by the time the 300 line limit became a real pain I was hooked =
on the=20
language and had no choice but to buy. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The thing to realize is that the 300 line limit is =
only on the=20
debugger. You can get around it in a couple of legal ways.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>a) Don't use the debugger - it's a wonderful =
convenience, but=20
not absolutely necessary.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>b) If you're using an unstamped library, maybe try =
making a=20
copy with a new name that has had everything that you don't need =
discarded. For=20
example, with the pcsound.e (which I have not examined) you may be only =
using a=20
couple of functions out of dozens provided. Take those couple out of =
pcsound.e=20
and put them into something like paul.e. Then the library won't eat up =
your 300=20
lines all by itself.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>c) Make bigger programs by writing and testing =
smaller modules=20
that fit in the 300 line limit and then combining them when they are =
correct=20
into a bigger program. You still have a bit of a debugging problem at =
the end of=20
the process, but you have access to the debugger for creation of all the =
modules.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Onwards and upwards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Bye<BR>Martin </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<A title=3Dpaulk at UNISERVE.COM href=3D"mailto:paulk at UNISERVE.COM">Paul =
Kerslake</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 08, 2000 =
8:45=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Knew it wouldn't =
last.....</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When I downloaded Euhporia and saw =
the word=20
register, I knew it wouldn't last. Not to mention the $29.95 cost is, =
how=20
shall I say, way out of my range. I'm 15 I don't have a summer job and =
$10 a=20
week isn't going to cut it. Not to mention I <EM>desperatly need</EM> =
a new=20
CD-ROM which will cost me big. 4x don't work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So, I'm -sigh- not going to order the =
full=20
version any time soon. I really hate to say that. But, I will get it=20
eventually. So some questions about the full version:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1. Will the full version somehow =
increase mr=20
programming skills.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2. Can I make independant .EXE files =
<EM>and</EM>=20
send them to my friends.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3. How much is it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Y'see, if it's $400, a la C++ or =
visual or=20
whatever, forget it. That's insane. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will be back......soon</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Shine on you crazy=20
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5. Re: Knew it wouldn't last.....
On 9 Aug 2000, at 14:20, Brian Broker wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:45:42 -0700, Paul Kerslake wrote:
>
> >When I downloaded Euhporia and saw the word register, I knew it wouldn't
> >last. Not to mention the $29.95 cost is, how shall I say, way out of my
> >range. I'm 15 I don't have a summer job and $10 a week isn't going to cut
> >it. Not to mention I desperatly need a new CD-ROM which will cost me big.
> >4x don't work.
> >
> >So, I'm -sigh- not going to order the full version any time soon. I really
> hate to say that. But, I will get it eventually. So some questions about
> the full version:
> >
> >1. Will the full version somehow increase mr programming skills.
>
> No, registering Euphoria will not magically increase your programming
> skills. Only practice can do that. But it definitely helps to have
> debugging capabilities over 300 lines. Once you start coding larger
> projects, this is something you must have to save on development time.
>
> >2. Can I make independant .EXE files and send them to my friends.
>
> Yes
>
> >3. How much is it.
>
> See http://www.rapideuphoria.com/reg.htm for more info.
>
> $40 (for DOS32 and Win32) isn't much at all to pay for good development
> software. Perhaps if you can show your parents what you can do with the
> shareware version, you might be able to talk them into getting it for you
> as a gift. Tell them about how educational it is and how interested you
> are in it. Then point out how much some other development software costs
> these days (i.e. hundreds of dollars). I don't know of too many parents
> who wouldn't spend $40 dollars for 'educational software'. Heck, that's
> less than most Nintendo64 games.
>
> Not to mention that you could write your own shareware programs and try to
> earn that money to repay them... (unfortunately, software needs to be quite
> sophisticated these days to get people to pay for it, but it doesn't hurt
> to try).
And with the C translator coming out, it could give you an edge when you take a
look
at C, since the C compilers can be had for free. I know it's difficult to think
long-term
as an alledged kid, but years come and go, and the next yr could be completely
different than what you expect. 
Kat
6. Re: Knew it wouldn't last.....
Of course. The price is crazy. I'm 14. How can I pay the registration fee?
If I get a job I'll get everyone arrested cause of child labor laws.
It's not like I can get a boot leg copy on the corner of 5th and Main.
Is there anyway I can get around that?
7. Re: Knew it wouldn't last.....
Since I can't get Euphoria fully free, where can I get a Free C Compiler?
Isaac
8. Re: Knew it wouldn't last.....
At 05:05 PM 8/9/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Since I can't get Euphoria fully free, where can I get a Free C Compiler?
>Isaac
http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/
Zak
9. Re: Knew it wouldn't last.....
On 9 Aug 2000, at 16:59, Isaac D. wrote:
> Of course. The price is crazy. I'm 14. How can I pay the registration fee?
> If I get a job I'll get everyone arrested cause of child labor laws.
> It's not like I can get a boot leg copy on the corner of 5th and Main.
> Is there anyway I can get around that?
>
I was doing babysitting for hire at 7, and bought my first *car* at 15 working
at a farm
feed store. I got paid 50 cents/hour, and was still in high school. For the last
15yrs, i
am below the poverty line again, but in the last 10yrs got 6 credit cards and a
3000 sq
ft house. Sometimes, it's not the absolute value of your money, but how it's
arranged.
Kat
10. Re: Knew it wouldn't last.....
Look for (LCC-Win32) Compiler on the Web it's free but, has GNU lisence.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Isaac D." <Charnon3000 at AOL.COM>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: Knew it wouldn't last.....
> Since I can't get Euphoria fully free, where can I get a Free C Compiler?
> Isaac
>
11. Re: Knew it wouldn't last.....
- Posted by Lionel Wong <eljay98 at HOTMAIL.COM>
Aug 18, 2000
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Last edited Aug 19, 2000
>When I downloaded Euhporia and saw the word register, I knew it wouldn't
>last. Not to mention the $29.95 cost is, how shall I say, way out of my
>range. I'm 15 I don't have a summer job and $10 a week isn't going to cut
>it.
I'm 17. I found Eu when I was about your age (I sound like I'm 70), ver1.5
that time, and I had those same thoughts. I simply took it in to my hard
drive and left it there, cuz I thought, I'd figure it out someday. Well one
day I downloaded David Gay's ABGTE and after a few pages, I got the basics
already. (Oh BTW, I had experience in QBasic before, but I don't think it
helped.)
I still have Eu (latest version) now, and I still haven't registered. I've
never done any big projects, just little experiments, so the free version is
fine with me.
Lionel
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