1. Rikki-tikki is male. OpenEuphoria is genderless.
- Posted by _tom (admin) Mar 09, 2015
- 1969 views
For historical and literary reasons Rikki-tikki the mongoose is male. Rudyard Kipling wrote his story that way.
This does not mean that the Euphoria mascot is male. Having observed a bunch of these living critters it is clear that you can't tell, easily, what sex they are.
The documentation has no gender. I have removed (I hope) the last reference to he-him, she-her ... from the documentation. I will not resort to gimmicks like profiling, awkward writing, new pronouns, and the rest. This is not the same as ignoring gender issues. This is to say that gender simply has no place in technical writing.
Hopefully users of the forum and documentation will be diligent and polite in pointing out abuses of gender issues.
_tom
2. Re: Rikki-tikki is male. OpenEuphoria is genderless.
- Posted by DerekParnell (admin) Mar 09, 2015
- 2060 views
For historical and literary reasons Rikki-tikki the mongoose is male. Rudyard Kipling wrote his story that way.
This does not mean that the Euphoria mascot is male. Having observed a bunch of these living critters it is clear that you can't tell, easily, what sex they are.
The documentation has no gender. I have removed (I hope) the last reference to he-him, she-her ... from the documentation. I will not resort to gimmicks like profiling, awkward writing, new pronouns, and the rest. This is not the same as ignoring gender issues. This is to say that gender simply has no place in technical writing.
Hopefully users of the forum and documentation will be diligent and polite in pointing out abuses of gender issues.
_tom
You might be interested in this article about techniques to remove gendered language from writings.
3. Re: Rikki-tikki is male. OpenEuphoria is genderless.
- Posted by _tom (admin) Mar 09, 2015
- 2014 views
You might be interested in this article about techniques to remove gendered language from writings.
A good summary of my objectives. Posters in this forum would also benefit from this article by B. Eunson; it goes with the code of conduct.
_tom
4. Re: Rikki-tikki is male. OpenEuphoria is genderless.
- Posted by katsmeow Mar 09, 2015
- 1941 views
Baden Eunson made some errors. I emailed him. I could post that email here, but it might run afoul of the code of conduct. As for there being no discrimination here, who was it that wrote a chat program in Euphoria years ago, with a front page splash of a woman on a motorcycle? Isn't that programmer an admin here now? Care to post that highly stylized image one more time?
Kat
5. Re: Rikki-tikki is male. OpenEuphoria is genderless.
- Posted by jimcbrown (admin) Mar 09, 2015
- 1941 views
Baden Eunson made some errors. I emailed him. I could post that email here, but it might run afoul of the code of conduct.
In a case like this, I'd recommend contacting the admins via email to ask if someone can review it first.
who was it that wrote a chat program in Euphoria years ago, with a front page splash of a woman on a motorcycle? Isn't that programmer an admin here now?
I don't know the answer to this. I'm not familiar with that program (or it's splash screen).
Care to post that highly stylized image one more time?
Probably a bad idea. If I'm reading the implications correctly, it'd probably violate the CodeOfConduct.
As for there being no discrimination here,
I think this is a very complex topic that at least should be handled on its own thread. (Or multiple threads. E.g. one thread to discuss discrimination of Republicans by Democrats.) If there's an active dispute between a group of individuals, it might be better for all concerned to take it off the forum via the "contact administrators" link, to avoid "personal attack" accusations.
6. Re: Rikki-tikki is male. OpenEuphoria is genderless.
- Posted by _tom (admin) Mar 09, 2015
- 1881 views
Baden Eunson made some errors. I emailed him. I could post that email here, but it might run afoul of the code of conduct.
Kat
Try out the admin email system. I wish to see your comments. I didn't study the article in great detail, but it does fit in a general way how I write technical documentation.
_tom
7. Re: Rikki-tikki is male. OpenEuphoria is genderless.
- Posted by katsmeow Mar 10, 2015
- 1880 views
Baden Eunson made some errors. I emailed him. I could post that email here, but it might run afoul of the code of conduct.
Kat
Try out the admin email system. I wish to see your comments. I didn't study the article in great detail, but it does fit in a general way how I write technical documentation.
_tom
Will do.
Kat
8. Re: Rikki-tikki is male. OpenEuphoria is genderless.
- Posted by katsmeow Mar 13, 2015
- 1844 views
Tom, you can respond.
Also: http://imgur.com/gallery/KeBdqc8
Slightly more authoritative: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_%28scientist%29
Kat
9. Re: Rikki-tikki is male. OpenEuphoria is genderless.
- Posted by _tom (admin) Mar 13, 2015
- 1830 views
Tom, you can respond.
I got your email through the "Contact Admin" process. You message was flagged as spam by my Yahoo email account. After moving the message to the regular "Inbox" I sent you a reply.
It looks like the Yahoo spam filter was still active; much later I got a "Failure Notice" from the Yahoo MAILER-DAEMON stating that it will not deliver spam from me.
So...
A professor at a university wrote an article for his university website. This is typical publish or perish activity.
I agree, a professor in a language department should not be making major grammar errors. In his example of actor (male) and actress (female) the "-ess" serves to make a word feminine. He describes it as a diminutive form.
As to actual language usage he has a point: female references are used as a diminutive and or a derogative. The governator refers to girlymen; Hollywood combat action heroes use "ladies check your weapons."
Also: http://imgur.com/gallery/KeBdqc8
Slightly more authoritative: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_%28scientist%29
Kat
NASA missed an early oportunity to promote technology and gender equality in the space program. NASA moved on to a system were moon rocks were lost.
_tom
10. Re: Rikki-tikki is male. OpenEuphoria is genderless.
- Posted by katsmeow Mar 13, 2015
- 1834 views
As to actual language usage he has a point: female references are used as a diminutive and or a derogative. The governator refers to girlymen; Hollywood combat action heroes use "ladies check your weapons."
It's wierd how so many women and men marry when they think so little of each other. But then, it's perpetuated by the way hetero people will not cross the steriotypical gender lines, and how they hate those who do cross the lines. Just think, if you toss out all that gender nonsense, you get "gay marriage". I have often wondered how those like "the governator" ever walked down the aisle to marry a woman without vomiting the whole way.
Also: http://imgur.com/gallery/KeBdqc8
Slightly more authoritative: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_%28scientist%29
Kat
NASA missed an early oportunity to promote technology and gender equality in the space program. NASA moved on to a system were moon rocks were lost.
_tom
Of course. They had to purge anything the Margaret Hamilton culture had done. I've seen the same stupidity elsewhere.
And just look at how many women are admin on this site, or ongoing contributing programmers.
Kat
11. Re: Rikki-tikki is male. OpenEuphoria is genderless.
- Posted by Shian_Lee Mar 16, 2015
- 1683 views
You may remove discrimination from the paper,
But you cannot remove discrimination from the heart.
The "great" Internet survives upon pornography.
That's a fact.
Who said that "good" things aren't bad?
Back to DOS (Sorry.... back to work).
