1. Nightly builds

Hello Euphoria admins
Could the Nightly builds under the Downloads page on openeuphoria.org be re-instated or alter that title please?
About six months ago was the last build available via this link... hardly nightly is it?
Yes I know I could install the Mercurial dev environment etc but I'm sure most new users would abandon Euphoria instead :(

Thanks

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2. Re: Nightly builds

fizzpopsoft said...

Hello Euphoria admins
Could the Nightly builds under the Downloads page on openeuphoria.org be re-instated or alter that title please?

You can do it yourself ... it's a wiki after all.

fizzpopsoft said...

About six months ago was the last build available via this link... hardly nightly is it?

Perhaps your right ... the builds shouldn't really be nightly anyways. A new build should only be uploaded when something has changed. It shouldn't unconditionally make a new build that was identical to the day before.

fizzpopsoft said...

Yes I know I could install the Mercurial dev environment etc

What does this have to do with the official builds?

fizzpopsoft said...

but I'm sure most new users would abandon Euphoria instead :(

Why? Not a lot has changed in the past six months. In a similar situation we could reasonably state that the builds haven't changed since then because of the code freeze or something.

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3. Re: Nightly builds

Well, if the nightly builds could be done, but update and save the date only for successful builds,
then the bleeding edge executables are available for whoever wants to test it for the developers.
Or recreate bugs etc, different windoze/Linux versions etc, so the devs don't have to test changes on tons of VM's

I dunno how to update the wiki, wouldn't do that anyway without consent as that is kinda bad manners towards the Euphoria dev/admin people.

I do have some spare time at the moment, and can spare a few dollars too ;) so I could host a decent website for the automated builds?
Cheers, Alan

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That's interesting. Is it going to be Windows based server or Linux?

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5. Re: Nightly builds

fizzpopsoft said...

I do have some spare time at the moment, and can spare a few dollars too ;) so I could host a decent website for the automated builds?
Cheers, Alan

This would be greatly appreciated!

fizzpopsoft said...

Well, if the nightly builds could be done, but update and save the date only for successful builds,
then the bleeding edge executables are available for whoever wants to test it for the developers.

Agreed. That's why they were originally started. Now, I don't think the lack of updates to that is scaring away many (or any) new users .. but I also see it as a very good thing to get them back up as soon as possible.

fizzpopsoft said...

I dunno how to update the wiki,

In general? Or just our wiki?

fizzpopsoft said...

wouldn't do that anyway without consent as that is kinda bad manners towards the Euphoria dev/admin people.

Ah. Agreed, that makes a lot of sense.

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6. Re: Nightly builds

Re the hosting:
If you admins could pick something that's fits the needs..
I imagine USA based, Linux ? Unlimited disk and bandwidth, dedicated IP and SSL support?
I see this advertised at $19.95 per month, I will pay for the first year, and pass the logons to the admin team?
Regards, Alan

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7. Re: Nightly builds

fizzpopsoft said...

Re the hosting:
If you admins could pick something that's fits the needs..
I imagine USA based, Linux ? Unlimited disk and bandwidth, dedicated IP and SSL support?
I see this advertised at $19.95 per month, I will pay for the first year, and pass the logons to the admin team?
Regards, Alan

Um, $19.95/mo is considerably more than what we're paying for right now. Your gift of $240 would be highly appreciated, but I'd be concerned that we wouldn't be able to continue to afford it after that.

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8. Re: Nightly builds

Check out Low End Box for cheap VPS deals. I've seen VPSs with 50+ GB of storage and 1TB/mo bandwidth for under $15/year. PER YEAR!

-Greg

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9. Re: Nightly builds

Well, what spec of host box is needed...?
Bandwidth, disk space, ram is easy, the more the merrier ;) but we may get better value in another resource area if we limit what we don't need.
EG shared virtual server vs dedicated? Linux vs Windows?
I do recall some Euphorians having issues with providers where customer written scripts are not allowed,
the Euphoria interpreter can't be added to ld.so.conf etc.
I will commit to donating the first $250.
Regards, Alan

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10. Re: Nightly builds

fizzpopsoft said...

... Could the Nightly builds under the Downloads page on openeuphoria.org be re-instated ...

What be the advantage of having "nightly" builds?

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fizzpopsoft said...

Well, what spec of host box is needed...?

Actually, I think a second Burst.net VPS would fit the bill - another of what we already have. (The current VPS is 50GB storage and 1GB ram).

The reason we don't want to run the nightly builds on our webserver is because they are CPU intensive enough that they might affect website performance. (This is especially the case if we're cross compiling the mingw builds.)

ghaberek said...

Check out Low End Box for cheap VPS deals. I've seen VPSs with 50+ GB of storage and 1TB/mo bandwidth for under $15/year. PER YEAR!

Looking at that webpage, it seems that if we could live with 10GB storage, we can get $2/mo. Or for $7/mo, we could get 100GB and 1TB bandwitdh. I don't currently see a deal for 50GB of storage at $1.25/mo (which adds up to $15/year).

We shouldn't need even 1GB to build euphoria though. (Yes, even counting the mingw cross compilter tools (88MB), 1GB is more than enough.)

fizzpopsoft said...

Bandwidth, disk space, ram is easy, the more the merrier ;) but we may get better value in another resource area if we limit what we don't need.
EG shared virtual server vs dedicated? Linux vs Windows?
I do recall some Euphorians having issues with providers where customer written scripts are not allowed,

Yep, shared is probably out for that reason. A virtual server would work, I don't think we need a dedicated physical one. We're also better off with Linux or a nix family OS.

fizzpopsoft said...

the Euphoria interpreter can't be added to ld.so.conf etc.

Fortunately, we won't need this either way. :confused:

fizzpopsoft said...

I will commit to donating the first $250.
Regards, Alan

Again, this is greatly appreciated. My thoughts are to pick the cheapest $2/mo VPS and use that.

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12. Re: Nightly builds

DerekParnell said...
fizzpopsoft said...

... Could the Nightly builds under the Downloads page on openeuphoria.org be re-instated ...

What be the advantage of having "nightly" builds?

Actually, there isn't one. We originally had continuous integration builds (as described in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_build , Jeremy's server would build and upload a new eubin as soon as changed were detected from the version control system). When this ended, I set up a nightly system as a compromise, since at the time we (at least, Jeremy and I, IIRC) thought that we didn't have a good way to send a hook from sf.net's svn server into the system I was using for the builds. (We later lost that free build server because the server owner thought that the process was too CPU intensive.)

But it'd be nice to go back to the original system. It makes no sense to do a build every night when nothing has been checked in for days. Linking build automation with VCS makes more sense than blindly doing a build every night (or day, for that matter).

Also, Jeremy's original system ran the tests and issued an HTML formatted report that you could look at. It was very nice.

Here's a good explanation on the reasons to do build automation in the first place: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/204603/nightly-builds-why-should-i-do-it

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13. Re: Nightly builds

jimcbrown said...
ghaberek said...

Check out Low End Box for cheap VPS deals. I've seen VPSs with 50+ GB of storage and 1TB/mo bandwidth for under $15/year. PER YEAR!

Looking at that webpage, it seems that if we could live with 10GB storage, we can get $2/mo. Or for $7/mo, we could get 100GB and 1TB bandwitdh. I don't currently see a deal for 50GB of storage at $1.25/mo (which adds up to $15/year).

This was the deal I got back in November. It may not be current any more, but it is an example of some of the great deals you can find.

Here is a similar deal (50GB) for $18/year, along with an even cheaper deal for $13.50/year.

And how about this one for only $5.63/year?! smile

I just did a search for "/year" and sifted through the results.

-Greg

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14. Re: Nightly builds

Proposal: VPS server USA hosted
Provider www.Host1plus.com
Ram 1Gb, CPU cores 2, HDD 30Gb, Bandwidth 1Tb, IP's 2, Backups 2, OS CentOS v6 64
Standard full root access. This is $252 for 2 years which I'll pay upfront for.
Probably not the cheapest, but you get what you pay for normally ;)

Anyone have practical experience with host1plus, especially if there may be issues with the Euphoria requirements?


Forked into: Proposed new Euphoria server

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