OpenEuphoria

Re: Fair Criticism

• Posted by Irv Mullins <irvm at ellijay.com> Aug 12, 2001
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From: David Cuny <dcuny at LANSET.COM>

> Chris wrote:
>
> > Unless Euphoria is promoted,
>
> I'm not sure if I understand what you wrote. Do you mean:
>
>    Euphoria isn't being promoted?
>
> If that's the case, it's simply not true. Robert spends plenty of time
> promoting Euphoria. Perhaps you instead meant:
>
>    You could do a better job promoting Euphoria.
>
> Which is simply insulting.

I see no reason why that would be insulting. Rob, as far as I know, does not
have his
degree in marketing, nor has he shown any great natural talent in that area.
Nor have I.
So what? That's why there are ad agencies.  If someone who makes their
living
promoting products were to come to me and tell me I could do a better job at
promoting my business, I would certainly listen. Might even hire them, if
they could
convince me that the results would be worth the cost.

> > and members begin to write more programs,
>
> Again, I'm confused by this. Did you really mean:
>
>    Members aren't writing enough programs.
>
> Which simply isn't true, or:
>
>    Members aren't writing good programs.
>
> Which, again, is simply insulting.

Please re-read the original post:

"Since the beginning of this month, I know of 3 potential developers
that have been sitting quietly watching the forum and searching the
archive.
Each one of them has had the same concerns and questions:

1 Why are there few libraries and programs?
2 Why hasn't the author written more programs with his own language?
3 Am I insane for developing a program with a "hobbyist language"? "

So he's not insulting anyone. These are questions prospective users asked.
Quite reasonable questions for someone to ask, if they're thinking of using
some new product. Very much the same questions you see on the newsgroups
when someone mentions Euphoria.

My answers would be:

1. There *are* lots of programs. Not nearly as many as you will find for
Perl, C,
    Pascal, Delphi, or BASIC, but still lots. There are fewer lilbraries,
and documentation,
    as always, could be better.

2. Now that is a very good question. I can't answer that one.

3. Probably, but so what? Many people over the years have developed (and
even sold)
    programs in BASIC, which is the hobby language to beat all  hobby
languages.

> > Euphoria well never reach the status we all would
> > like to see, unless more contributions are made.
>
> Huh? What is this 'status' that we desperately wish Euphoria to attain?

I, for one, would like to be able to use Euphoria for more of the things
people pay me to
do. I would like to see lots of programmers using it, so there would be more
useful libraries.
I would like to see magazine articles about Euphoria. I would like it to be
at least as well-known as Python. If you are talking with a group of
programmers, and say you wrote
a program in Python, they generally don't laugh.  They may not like, use, or
understand
Python, but at least it is widely accepted as a 'usable language'.

Regards,
Irv